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July 25, 2015, 10:52:02 PM
When you bump your threads, like this, you remind me of a Jehovah's Witness.
Because knocking on people's doors, bothering them in their home is the same thing as writing openly on the internet, where readers must navigate here themselves to read it. Do Jehovah's witnesses carry with them a magic "ignore" button you can press to silence them forever? Because I do, it's right there beneath my name.

That wasn't what I was comparing it to. You edited out the line that furthered my point.

"Why are you so obsessed with being right, and trying to get people to stop believing in God?"

You are obsessed with being right and trying to prove what you believe in is right, and everyone else is wrong, in the same way they are obsessed with converting people.

And I would never ignore you. I am very anti-censorship.
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July 25, 2015, 10:23:51 PM
When you bump your threads, like this, you remind me of a Jehovah's Witness.
Because knocking on people's doors, bothering them in their home is the same thing as writing openly on the internet, where readers must navigate here themselves to read it. Do Jehovah's witnesses carry with them a magic "ignore" button you can press to silence them forever? Because I do, it's right there beneath my name.
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July 25, 2015, 07:11:53 PM
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So you went through and bumped your threads, saying you're right. When you bump your threads, like this, you remind me of a Jehovah's Witness.

Why are you so obsessed with being right, and trying to get people to stop believing in God?
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July 25, 2015, 06:45:11 PM
"All great truths begin as blasphemies."
-George Bernard Shaw

"With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another."
-G. C. Lichtenberg

"The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also."
-Mark Twain

"The security provided by a long-held belief system, even when poorly founded, is a strong impediment to progress. General acceptance of a practice becomes the proof of its validity, though it lacks all other merit."
-Dr. B. Lown (invented defibrillator)

"A man receives only what he is ready to receive... The phenomenon or fact that cannot in any wise be linked with the rest of what he has observed, he does not observe."
- H. D. Thoreau

"When even the brightest mind in our world has been trained up from childhood in a superstition of any kind, it will never be possible for that mind, in its maturity, to examine sincerely, dispassionately, and conscientiously any evidence or any circumstance which shall seem to cast a doubt upon the validity of that superstition. I doubt if I could do it myself."
-Mark Twain

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
-Herbert Spencer

"The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible."
-Bertrand Russell

"It would seem to me... an offense against nature, for us to come on the same scene endowed as we are with the curiosity, filled to overbrimming as we are with questions, and naturally talented as we are for the asking of clear questions, and then for us to do nothing about, or worse, to try to suppress the questions..."
-Lewis Thomas

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
-Isaac Asimov
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July 23, 2015, 04:31:51 PM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

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The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

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I edit out all the stuff that has no relevance to a point, since you tend to drone on and on about unrelated things. (see for example: listing 24 definitions of a word you're using incorrectly). And I'm not the one pretending to know how neurons work, you are, remember? My calling your explanations out doesn't mean I'm representing myself as a neurologist. I'm just recognizing when someone else isn't.

In other words you can't.

There is no free will. Free will is an illusion. Play with all the nouns and verbs you want. According to Newton's Third Law, free will remains an illusion. Look at it again...

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electrons, electrolytes, chemicals, all working in the brain = reality = action

free will = illusion = reaction

For every ACTION there is an equal and opposite REACTION.

Reaction opposite action.
Illusion opposite reality.
Free will opposite brain activity.

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July 23, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

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The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

Smiley

I edit out all the stuff that has no relevance to a point, since you tend to drone on and on about unrelated things. (see for example: listing 24 definitions of a word you're using incorrectly). And I'm not the one pretending to know how neurons work, you are, remember? My calling your explanations out doesn't mean I'm representing myself as a neurologist. I'm just recognizing when someone else isn't.
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July 23, 2015, 08:57:31 AM
I dont know why do they dont belive and say that they are right


Jesus said, Matthew 17:20:
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Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.

The only reason you know nothing, Beliathon, is because you don't know the power of Jesus, and having faith in God.

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July 23, 2015, 07:37:24 AM
I dont know why do they dont belive and say that they are right
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July 23, 2015, 07:21:48 AM
I dont know why do they dont belive and say that they are right
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July 22, 2015, 05:21:05 PM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

Smiley

The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

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You might want to consider that you lack the capacity to engage in a free-will debate if you don't even grasp parts of speech.

Another political science representative? Come on, jointy. I thought at least you had the dignity to remain in the pure sciences.

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I'ts just that it's pretty important to understand the language you're using to express your ideas, don't you think?

Okay, okay. We can let it go.    Wink

After all, everyone likes to think that they are in control at least a little.

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July 22, 2015, 05:16:14 PM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

Smiley

The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

Smiley

You might want to consider that you lack the capacity to engage in a free-will debate if you don't even grasp parts of speech.

Another political science representative? Come on, jointy. I thought at least you had the dignity to remain in the pure sciences.

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I'ts just that it's pretty important to understand the language you're using to express your ideas, don't you think?
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July 22, 2015, 05:07:38 PM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

Smiley

The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

Smiley

You might want to consider that you lack the capacity to engage in a free-will debate if you don't even grasp parts of speech.

Another political science representative? Come on, jointy. I thought at least you had the dignity to remain in the pure sciences.

Smiley
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July 22, 2015, 03:29:19 PM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

Smiley

The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

Smiley

You might want to consider that you lack the capacity to engage in a free-will debate if you don't even grasp parts of speech.
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July 22, 2015, 02:44:57 PM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

Smiley

The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

Smiley
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July 22, 2015, 11:32:04 AM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

Smiley

The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?
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July 22, 2015, 05:39:13 AM
I do not think people who believe in religion are all bad and I have no problem with most religious people. So long as it doesn't negatively affect me or my friends/family.
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July 21, 2015, 11:45:44 PM
Can anyone attempt a translatation of BADecker's insane gibberish to English for me? Thanks in advance.

Why, thank you, Baliathon. One of the nicest things you have said about me, yet.

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July 21, 2015, 10:07:32 PM
Can anyone attempt a translatation of BADecker's insane gibberish to English for me? Thanks in advance.
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July 21, 2015, 12:52:19 PM
I will admit, I think compassion, patience, and understanding is always the noblest course of action on both sides. It's easy to become jaded and frustrated at each other, but Carl Sagan said it best:



On the other hand, when I'm under attack by theists for valiantly attempting to liberate their minds from the shackles of superstition, I often find myself feeling this:



Intelligent design does not require emotion or benevolence (...)
I'm sorry, are you disputing the God claims of the Holy Bible? Because the Bible claims that God loves everyone deeply, and wants to save our immortal souls. That's basic shit.

But what scientific evidence suggests does not say anything about God one way or the other.
A fair statement would be: There is equal evidence to support the existence of the God of the Holy Bible, as there is to support the existence of Allah, Yahweh, Zues, Gaia, Thor, Obi-Wan Kenobi's blue ghost, Jenova, Jibbers Crabst, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Given that knowledge, I suppose my question for Christians becomes: Why did you choose Christianity over all the other (more interesting) options out there? For me, nothing beats the evidence supporting Norse Mythology.



I'm thinking you're just trolling now.  Would you please read what you're reaponding to?  Thanks.

1) I had already disproved your false analogies in previous posts.  A Flying Spaghetti Monster, or any other thing whose topological constraints constitute any portion of their identity, is a false analogy to an intelligent designer (i.e. if a Creator creates topological constraints but exists prior to them, it follows its identity is not constituted by topological constraints).  All entities whose identities consist of topological constraints could be empirically verified or falsified should they exist; an intelligent designer cannot be empirically verified or falsified should it exist.  But it is not exempt from logical verification or falsification, which is precisely why it's an appropriate topic for rational discourse.

2) I'm not a Christian, nor do I follow any religion.  I challenge you to write a response to me that does not contain a strawman.  I can't remember any.  For someone who prides himself on reason and intellectual capacity, you disappoint at both.

3) You still fail to demonstrate even a basic understanding of empirical exploration.  A fair (and true) statement is that the evidence does not suggest anything about a god or no god, in the same way the evidence does not suggest anything about mathematics or no mathematics.

4) Please think for yourself.  Your botched understanding of what top scientists actually say (e.g. Hawking, deGrasse Tyson, etc.) makes your posts look silly.  When you parrot things willy-nilly, it shows.  


The thing that we all ignore about Beliathon is that he absolutely DOES use science. There is a branch of science where anything and everything goes. This includes the tearing down of any form of the scientific method if necessary, to prove a point. That science branch is Political Science. Most of us use at least a little of it now and again.

See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11935521 to see what I mean about Beliathon.

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July 21, 2015, 12:39:05 PM
I will admit, I think compassion, patience, and understanding is always the noblest course of action on both sides. It's easy to become jaded and frustrated at each other, but Carl Sagan said it best:



On the other hand, when I'm under attack by theists for valiantly attempting to liberate their minds from the shackles of superstition, I often find myself feeling this:



Intelligent design does not require emotion or benevolence (...)
I'm sorry, are you disputing the God claims of the Holy Bible? Because the Bible claims that God loves everyone deeply, and wants to save our immortal souls. That's basic shit.

But what scientific evidence suggests does not say anything about God one way or the other.
A fair statement would be: There is equal evidence to support the existence of the God of the Holy Bible, as there is to support the existence of Allah, Yahweh, Zues, Gaia, Thor, Obi-Wan Kenobi's blue ghost, Jenova, Jibbers Crabst, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Given that knowledge, I suppose my question for Christians becomes: Why did you choose Christianity over all the other (more interesting) options out there? For me, nothing beats the evidence supporting Norse Mythology.



I'm thinking you're just trolling now.  Would you please read what you're reaponding to?  Thanks.

1) I had already disproved your false analogies in previous posts.  A Flying Spaghetti Monster, or any other thing whose topological constraints constitute any portion of their identity, is a false analogy to an intelligent designer (i.e. if a Creator creates topological constraints but exists prior to them, it follows its identity is not constituted by topological constraints).  All entities whose identities consist of topological constraints could be empirically verified or falsified should they exist; an intelligent designer cannot be empirically verified or falsified should it exist.  But it is not exempt from logical verification or falsification, which is precisely why it's an appropriate topic for rational discourse.

2) I'm not a Christian, nor do I follow any religion.  I challenge you to write a response to me that does not contain a strawman.  I can't remember any.  For someone who prides himself on reason and intellectual capacity, you disappoint at both.

3) You still fail to demonstrate even a basic understanding of empirical exploration.  A fair (and true) statement is that the evidence does not suggest anything about a god or no god, in the same way the evidence does not suggest anything about mathematics or no mathematics.

4) Please think for yourself.  Your botched understanding of what top scientists actually say (e.g. Hawking, deGrasse Tyson, etc.) makes your posts look silly.  When you parrot things willy-nilly, it shows.  
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