Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 381.

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Why would anyone fear death?

Since nobody actually knows what happens when we die, it's the unknown I guess.

Actually this is mostly related to major religions. People are afraid of death, do not like to speak/think about it and thus religious have gained many followers. Because of their fear, the idea of being saved makes the calm.

I hope you don't mean all people are afraid of death. It just isn't true. I don't really see a good reason why people should be afraid of death at all.

1) If you're religious, then you should feel fine about it.
2) If you're just spiritual but don't follow a religion, you probably believe in the soul, and aren't afraid of death.
3) If you're atheist, you shouldn't believe anything is after death... and I guess maybe can be afraid of dying because you believe that's all there is, but other than that, I don't see a reason to fear death.

When you die, you die. Worms have a party and end of story. There is no soul.

The post you quoted has nothing to do with whether there is a soul or not. I know there is. My point was that there is no reason to fear death.

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Quote from: BADecker on August 03, 2015, 08:46:43 AM

Quote from: freeyourmind on August 02, 2015, 04:50:26 PM

It is Buddhism that allows a sense of humour, whether or not the followers have a sense of humour or not. So are you saying if a Buddhist encounters Christianity that they would lose their sense of humour?

Are you a Buddhist? If you are, the answer to your question is no on this side, 'cause this Christian is LOL at the thing that you posted.

Cheesy

I'm not Buddhist, but as someone who isn't religious, I do like the philosophy especially for how old it is.

Ok so as a Christian, do you go to church? And if you do, is it a serious environment or does it allow for humour?

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on August 02, 2015, 03:42:12 PM

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 31, 2015, 09:41:18 AM

Why would anyone fear death?

Since nobody actually knows what happens when we die, it's the unknown I guess.

Actually this is mostly related to major religions. People are afraid of death, do not like to speak/think about it and thus religious have gained many followers. Because of their fear, the idea of being saved makes the calm.

I hope you don't mean all people are afraid of death. It just isn't true. I don't really see a good reason why people should be afraid of death at all.

1) If you're religious, then you should feel fine about it.
2) If you're just spiritual but don't follow a religion, you probably believe in the soul, and aren't afraid of death.
3) If you're atheist, you shouldn't believe anything is after death... and I guess maybe can be afraid of dying because you believe that's all there is, but other than that, I don't see a reason to fear death.

When you die, you die. Worms have a party and end of story. There is no soul.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 02, 2015, 06:01:56 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on August 02, 2015, 03:42:12 PM

I hope you don't mean all people are afraid of death. It just isn't true. I don't really see a good reason why people should be afraid of death at all.

1) If you're religious, then you should feel fine about it.
2) If you're just spiritual but don't follow a religion, you probably believe in the soul, and aren't afraid of death.
3) If you're atheist, you shouldn't believe anything is after death... and I guess maybe can be afraid of dying because you believe that's all there is, but other than that, I don't see a reason to fear death.

No, I don't. As stated in the second part of the post (a example) is that the followers of Buddhism are trying to contemplate death in order to relief themselves of possible fear.
I'm saying that some people are religious as a result of being afraid of death before.

As a half spiritual half agnostic person I do not see a reason to be afraid of death. I've talked to a lot of people in my surrounding area and they do not like to talk about death at all.

"Deatha" sounds like a cute girl's name. Cheesy

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on August 02, 2015, 03:42:12 PM

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on July 31, 2015, 09:55:00 AM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 31, 2015, 09:41:18 AM

Why would anyone fear death?

Since nobody actually knows what happens when we die, it's the unknown I guess.

Actually this is mostly related to major religions. People are afraid of death, do not like to speak/think about it and thus religious have gained many followers. Because of their fear, the idea of being saved makes the calm.

I hope you don't mean all people are afraid of death. It just isn't true. I don't really see a good reason why people should be afraid of death at all.

1) If you're religious, then you should feel fine about it.
2) If you're just spiritual but don't follow a religion, you probably believe in the soul, and aren't afraid of death.
3) If you're atheist, you shouldn't believe anything is after death... and I guess maybe can be afraid of dying because you believe that's all there is, but other than that, I don't see a reason to fear death.

People who are living without a lot of pain, who are simply living their life, might not have a mental fear of death. But most people have a natural bodily reaction that includes fear of death.

Your body doesn't have the same logic that your mind does. Your body has life and some automatic reactions against the happening of death. If there is a sudden impending death closing in, the body may react in such a way that it causes the mind to fear death. If people - like soldiers - were in the situation of impending death all the time, the fear of it would become numbed.

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Christians aren't supposed to believe in reincarnation. I don't.

My child, I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention to Teacher. Once again:

Quote from: Beliathon on July 30, 2015, 10:04:43 PM

Belief is not a choice. It's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, based on observation/evidence; in science argument and consensus.

Desirability is not a requisite of the truth. I do not choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attraction option. I'm compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not!

The truth does not require your approval. It simply is.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 31, 2015, 11:14:55 AM

I don't know of any religions that states that suicide is a good thing. It's murder (of oneself), and so it's a sin for Christians.

Religion is how the power elite controlled the peasants for many generations before the Nation State took over that role. Fear is a prison for your mind. This tragic fear of divine retribution would likely prevent you from committing the self-mercy of suicide even if you were enduring days or week of torture.

Not months, though, and certainly not years. Pain is an inexhaustible resource, just like pleasure. Under those circumstances, sooner or later your superstition would break, unable to bear the weight of such suffering. Eventually you'd come to your senses and end it. Deep down you know this to be true.

"My child?" Wow, how pretentious can you get? You said you're a "psych major." What are you? Late teens? Early 20's? Bold, bold statements for a student to say...

Equally as pretentious as the man in the church referred to as "father" who is not your father?

I can't speak on Beliathon's behalf, but it looks to me like a joke, that has been taken very seriously

Another point for Buddhism, the only religion that has a sense of humour

It isn't Buddhism that has the sense of humor. It's the Buddhists, 'cause they realize what a joke religion is. That's because they haven't encountered the pure sense that Christianity makes.

It is Buddhism that allows a sense of humour, whether or not the followers have a sense of humour or not. So are you saying if a Buddhist encounters Christianity that they would lose their sense of humour?

Are you a Buddhist? If you are, the answer to your question is no on this side, 'cause this Christian is LOL at the thing that you posted.

Cheesy

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Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on August 02, 2015, 03:42:12 PM

I hope you don't mean all people are afraid of death. It just isn't true. I don't really see a good reason why people should be afraid of death at all.

1) If you're religious, then you should feel fine about it.
2) If you're just spiritual but don't follow a religion, you probably believe in the soul, and aren't afraid of death.
3) If you're atheist, you shouldn't believe anything is after death... and I guess maybe can be afraid of dying because you believe that's all there is, but other than that, I don't see a reason to fear death.

No, I don't. As stated in the second part of the post (a example) is that the followers of Buddhism are trying to contemplate death in order to relief themselves of possible fear.
I'm saying that some people are religious as a result of being afraid of death before.

As a half spiritual half agnostic person I do not see a reason to be afraid of death. I've talked to a lot of people in my surrounding area and they do not like to talk about death at all.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 31, 2015, 01:13:16 PM

Quote from: freeyourmind on July 31, 2015, 01:00:44 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 31, 2015, 12:53:29 PM

Quote from: Beliathon on July 31, 2015, 11:29:15 AM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 31, 2015, 11:14:55 AM

Christians aren't supposed to believe in reincarnation. I don't.

My child, I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention to Teacher. Once again:

Quote from: Beliathon on July 30, 2015, 10:04:43 PM

Belief is not a choice. It's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, based on observation/evidence; in science argument and consensus.

Desirability is not a requisite of the truth. I do not choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attraction option. I'm compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not!

The truth does not require your approval. It simply is.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 31, 2015, 11:14:55 AM

I don't know of any religions that states that suicide is a good thing. It's murder (of oneself), and so it's a sin for Christians.

Religion is how the power elite controlled the peasants for many generations before the Nation State took over that role. Fear is a prison for your mind. This tragic fear of divine retribution would likely prevent you from committing the self-mercy of suicide even if you were enduring days or week of torture.

Not months, though, and certainly not years. Pain is an inexhaustible resource, just like pleasure. Under those circumstances, sooner or later your superstition would break, unable to bear the weight of such suffering. Eventually you'd come to your senses and end it. Deep down you know this to be true.

"My child?" Wow, how pretentious can you get? You said you're a "psych major." What are you? Late teens? Early 20's? Bold, bold statements for a student to say...

Equally as pretentious as the man in the church referred to as "father" who is not your father?

I can't speak on Beliathon's behalf, but it looks to me like a joke, that has been taken very seriously

Another point for Buddhism, the only religion that has a sense of humour

It isn't Buddhism that has the sense of humor. It's the Buddhists, 'cause they realize what a joke religion is. That's because they haven't encountered the pure sense that Christianity makes.

It is Buddhism that allows a sense of humour, whether or not the followers have a sense of humour or not. So are you saying if a Buddhist encounters Christianity that they would lose their sense of humour?

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Quote from: freeyourmind on August 02, 2015, 04:43:52 PM

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Quote from: freeyourmind on July 31, 2015, 01:00:44 PM

Quote from: the joint on July 31, 2015, 12:53:29 PM

Quote from: Beliathon on July 31, 2015, 11:29:15 AM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 31, 2015, 11:14:55 AM

Christians aren't supposed to believe in reincarnation. I don't.

My child, I'm afraid you haven't been paying attention to Teacher. Once again:

Quote from: Beliathon on July 30, 2015, 10:04:43 PM

Belief is not a choice. It's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice, based on observation/evidence; in science argument and consensus.

Desirability is not a requisite of the truth. I do not choose what I believe because I perceive it as the more attraction option. I'm compelled to believe what I think is true, whether I like it or not!

The truth does not require your approval. It simply is.

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on July 31, 2015, 11:14:55 AM

I don't know of any religions that states that suicide is a good thing. It's murder (of oneself), and so it's a sin for Christians.

Religion is how the power elite controlled the peasants for many generations before the Nation State took over that role. Fear is a prison for your mind. This tragic fear of divine retribution would likely prevent you from committing the self-mercy of suicide even if you were enduring days or week of torture.

Not months, though, and certainly not years. Pain is an inexhaustible resource, just like pleasure. Under those circumstances, sooner or later your superstition would break, unable to bear the weight of such suffering. Eventually you'd come to your senses and end it. Deep down you know this to be true.

"My child?" Wow, how pretentious can you get? You said you're a "psych major." What are you? Late teens? Early 20's? Bold, bold statements for a student to say...

Equally as pretentious as the man in the church referred to as "father" who is not your father?

I can't speak on Beliathon's behalf, but it looks to me like a joke, that has been taken very seriously

Another point for Buddhism, the only religion that has a sense of humour

1) Exclusive from all else, it was exceedingly pretentious. Have you read the dude's posts? It wasn't a joke.

2) What man in the church? Neither the pope (the supposed vicar of Christ) nor Jesus claimed to be the Father. Do you mean God? This is just nitpicking. "Father" in such a context just refers to the thing we came from. Logical reductionism soundly leads to the necessity of a single "source" of everything. Given monistic reductionism, do you really take issue with such a metaphorical issue aside from the trivial fact that the "source" doesn't look like your dad or have a penis?

For his 2nd point: He means Priest. You're supposed to call him "father (real name)" when speaking with them. That's also just Catholicism. Yet Christians do refer to strangers even, as brothers and sisters in Christ, because we are all God's children. But that's not a pretentious pronoun....

Thanks. I didn't think it was that vague, but as MakingMoneyHoney pointed out, I was referring to the priest.

It was pretentious, but I think that is what the joke was

Beliathon didn't even remember who he was demeaning, can't put much stock in it.