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August 19, 2015, 06:16:52 AM
For each person there is a God, for others it is in religion, for others it is a god for himself. But when the believers are trying to impose their point of view, it looks annoying.

This is such disturbing thinking both ways.

Nobody likes to be forced into anything, especially if it is something that he doesn't like.

On the other hand, there will probably be loads of people in Heaven who were forced at gun-point or something similar (sword-point), to believe in the salvation of Jesus or be executed.

Who will be happier in the long run? The one who went to Hell because nobody forced him to believe? Or the one who went to Heaven because he was forced to believe?

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So far no one has proved the existence of hell and heaven, we don't know where to went the man after death and so believe it in God or not is the choice of each individual. Wink
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August 19, 2015, 05:20:27 AM
Believers in disbelief, forcing it on others, there is no difference
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Which seems more probable to you, a Satanic Rape-Dolphin, or an indifferent universe?

I came here expecting comments exactly like this. With such a divisive title I expected nothing less   Roll Eyes
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August 19, 2015, 04:28:18 AM
For each person there is a God, for others it is in religion, for others it is a god for himself. But when the believers are trying to impose their point of view, it looks annoying.

This is such disturbing thinking both ways.

Nobody likes to be forced into anything, especially if it is something that he doesn't like.

On the other hand, there will probably be loads of people in Heaven who were forced at gun-point or something similar (sword-point), to believe in the salvation of Jesus or be executed.

Who will be happier in the long run? The one who went to Hell because nobody forced him to believe? Or the one who went to Heaven because he was forced to believe?

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August 19, 2015, 01:31:01 AM
For each person there is a God, for others it is in religion, for others it is a god for himself. But when the believers are trying to impose their point of view, it looks annoying.
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August 18, 2015, 04:57:35 PM
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Which seems more probable to you, a Satanic Rape-Dolphin, or an indifferent universe?

John Wheeler:

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Stronger than the Anthropic Principle is what I might call the Participatory Principle. According to it, we could not even imagine a universe that did not somewhere and for some stretch of time contain observers, because the very building materials of the universe are these acts of observer- participancy. ... This participatory principle takes for its foundation the absolutely central point of the quantum: no elementary phenomenon is a phenomenon until it is an observed (or registered) phenomenon.

How indifferent can a Universe be when it depends on observer-participancy to be a Universe in the first place?

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August 18, 2015, 04:55:04 PM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

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The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

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I edit out all the stuff that has no relevance to a point, since you tend to drone on and on about unrelated things. (see for example: listing 24 definitions of a word you're using incorrectly). And I'm not the one pretending to know how neurons work, you are, remember? My calling your explanations out doesn't mean I'm representing myself as a neurologist. I'm just recognizing when someone else isn't.

In other words you can't.

There is no free will. Free will is an illusion. Play with all the nouns and verbs you want. According to Newton's Third Law, free will remains an illusion. Look at it again...

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electrons, electrolytes, chemicals, all working in the brain = reality = action

free will = illusion = reaction

For every ACTION there is an equal and opposite REACTION.

Reaction opposite action.
Illusion opposite reality.
Free will opposite brain activity.

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Translation of post:

'You can't dumb down your response down to the point where I can understand it, therefore I must be right.'

That's basically a synopsis of all your posts. And you can restate it as many times as you want. Until you understand what an "action" is, you have no hope of winning this fight.

It's a sad shame that you don't seem to be smart enough to comprehend the truth. Now, you and I both know that you are smart enough. And we both understand that you simply don't WANT to act like you understand. Here is what is happening.

The people of the world are getting fed up with all the smart scientific thinking that won't answer a few simple questions about itself. These questions are shown a little by the things that I say.

Rather, scientists would like to play games with their smarts, and try to lead people into political directions rather than into truth. And whoever you might be, you are going right along with it.

It's okay. Continue to dumb yourself down. Just remember, there will come a time when you will have dumbed yourself down so much that you won't even be able to think at all. But don't feel too badly when that time comes. After all, since you don't have any free will, it was all in the programming in the first place.

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August 18, 2015, 03:20:14 PM


Which seems more probable to you, a Satanic Rape-Dolphin, or an indifferent universe?

John Wheeler:

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Stronger than the Anthropic Principle is what I might call the Participatory Principle. According to it, we could not even imagine a universe that did not somewhere and for some stretch of time contain observers, because the very building materials of the universe are these acts of observer- participancy. ... This participatory principle takes for its foundation the absolutely central point of the quantum: no elementary phenomenon is a phenomenon until it is an observed (or registered) phenomenon.

How indifferent can a Universe be when it depends on observer-participancy to be a Universe in the first place?
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August 18, 2015, 11:02:33 AM
I don't see "action" listed as a verb anywhere in the definition.

Since the word "action" is a noun, and it is being compared to "reaction," another noun, Newtons Third Law is talking about "things," which are not verbs.

Smiley

The WORD action is a noun. Things that ARE actions, are verbs. Are you really this simple?

Actions: Running, breathing, sitting, talking, explaining to BADecker first-grade level grammar rules

Nouns: Electrons, Electrolytes, neurons, anything else you said...

When you look back at your posts, do you even realize that you've demonstrated ignorance of things they teach to 6 year-olds in order to prove your interpretation of Newton's Third Law? Does that not strike you as utterly hilarious?

Okay. Since you are so good at editing out the rest of what I had to say, why don't you explain how brain activity creates free will? Remember, the brain activity action has to produce an equal and opposite reaction.

Smiley

I edit out all the stuff that has no relevance to a point, since you tend to drone on and on about unrelated things. (see for example: listing 24 definitions of a word you're using incorrectly). And I'm not the one pretending to know how neurons work, you are, remember? My calling your explanations out doesn't mean I'm representing myself as a neurologist. I'm just recognizing when someone else isn't.

In other words you can't.

There is no free will. Free will is an illusion. Play with all the nouns and verbs you want. According to Newton's Third Law, free will remains an illusion. Look at it again...

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electrons, electrolytes, chemicals, all working in the brain = reality = action

free will = illusion = reaction

For every ACTION there is an equal and opposite REACTION.

Reaction opposite action.
Illusion opposite reality.
Free will opposite brain activity.

----------

Smiley

Translation of post:

'You can't dumb down your response down to the point where I can understand it, therefore I must be right.'

That's basically a synopsis of all your posts. And you can restate it as many times as you want. Until you understand what an "action" is, you have no hope of winning this fight.
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August 08, 2015, 09:15:14 PM


Which seems more probable to you, a Satanic Rape-Dolphin, or an indifferent universe?
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August 08, 2015, 08:21:41 PM
Superstition is the belief in the supernatural. Things are listed as "supernatural" by scientists because they can't explain them.
Nope, not even close. I can very clearly articulately for you why there is no such thing as talking snakes, winged sky humans, and invisible sky fathers.

It's all basic physics and biology, really. For example winged humans wouldn't be able to fly as our lift-to-mass ratio would never be high enough. Bones too dense.

I'm wondering if you've heard the news that Einstein's Theory of Relativity has been debunked...

Relativity - Einstein v. The Aether (round 1)

Einstein Debunked: The Theory Of Anti-Relativity


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Finally, it has been disclosed by insiders within the space program, NASA, of a “certain complication”. It was found that when far outside the Earth’s field of influence the stars and sun are NOT VISIBLE! However, the Earth and the Moon are plainly visible. There is no direct light in outer space, only that made visible by gross physical matter. This gives rise to an important question, does the “light” from the sun propagate with a velocity at all, or is it simply a function of time? The “time delay” may be no more than a hysteresis of the luminiferous aether.

Einstein is a false prophet. The Theory of Relativity as the “Holy Scripture” is like a televangelistic sales pitch. Nikola Tesla regarded Relativity as the greatest historical aberration of scientific thought. Relativity is no more than a philosophical standpoint, a virus to infect a “New Age”.

This has now become inordinately overcomplicated, but thru the lawyer style skill of the Einsteinian Physicists all terms are erased that do not fit the chosen idea. It may be inferred that A. Einstein was not much of a mathematician, and by ignoring J. J. Thompson he was not much of a scientist. Not a mathematician, not a scientist, not an engineer, so just what was Albert Einstein anyway? He was a Mystic.

[But]: The mystical experience is the force which moves one to science.

One very important fact that escapes notice (Meyl, et al) is that Tesla’s transmission networks are Mono-Polar. The dipolar concepts so dear to all now swirl down the toilet bowl. Forget Bearden, forget Meyl, it is crap for the crapper! Tesla circumvents the concept of plus and minus, there is one pole only –plus. Here is a true “Single Phase” Alternating Current, one wire only. This is a philosophically disruptive concept for the God vs. Devil duality. God has no opposite pole, it is one, positive only. This is the secret to the Tesla transmission concept. Action vs. Reaction now is voided.

Einstein and his theories can be expressed by an animal story: As understood thru his writing Relativity as a “package of ideas” is in many ways similar to the “egg of the cuckoo bird”. The cuckoo bird builds no nest of its own, it looks for the right nest among those other birds. Here found, it lays its egg in the selected nest of another bird. Upon hatching, its chick forces the others out of the nest, over the side. Such is the growth cycle of Relativity, as given by Einstein.
Consider Einstein’s statement on the same page 50:

“In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory of itself is unable to give an account of their nature.”… “For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us.”

Forces of another kind, you mean the dielectric lines of force, removed from obscurity by the Faraday-Thompson concept of induction? Every electron is a motional terminus of a quantity of dielectric lines of force, these lines contracting and stretching like rubber bands, giving motion to the terminus electron. The thermionic electron contracts, pulling the electron, the cathode ray stretching, pulled by the electron. In the former case the lines of force are dissipated, in the latter case the line of force are projected, both cases the electrons assume ray like motion, with non participating lines of force filling the voids, directing the electrons. Hence, it is the electrons travel in straight lines, that is, rays.

These facts have been known from the initial invention of the vacuum tube by Sir William Crookes, leading to the extensive experimental work into atomic science by J. J. Thompson and Nikola Tesla. It is here seen that the so-called electron is only a shadow, its apparent physical mass is only an electrical momentum. There is no rest mass to an electron. It is given here that the electron is no more than a broken-loose hold-fast under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in a half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. Are we to believe that Einstein had no prior knowledge of the most prominent theoretical and experimental work of his time?

and yet "There are still some critics of relativity today (sometimes called "anti-relativists"), but their opinions are not shared by the scientific community." (link)
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August 08, 2015, 07:00:26 PM
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Scientists don't know everything, but Christianity explains what scientists don't know or don't want to admit to the public.

Please, buy a dictionary!!!

"Christianity explains what scientists don't know or don't want to admit to the public".

I read this statement you made, over and over again...
It really sums up the view of religious people at the core.

You seem like an intelligent person from the few post's i have read in this forum.
I would love to have a long, polite, respectful conversation with you regarding religion.

Feel free to PM me. Smiley

Also, if anyone is interested there is a youtube video conversation with someone about the CERN antimatter and how it relates to forces, that I would call demonic.

How will CERN affect your soul

Edit: another vid: C E R N the Opening of the Abyss?
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August 08, 2015, 06:52:45 PM
MakingMoneyHoney:
Scientists don't know everything, but Christianity explains what scientists don't know or don't want to admit to the public.

Please, buy a dictionary!!!




"Christianity explains what scientists don't know or don't want to admit to the public".

I read this statement you made, over and over again...
It really sums up the view of religious people at the core.

You seem like an intelligent person from the few post's i have read in this forum.
I would love to have a long, polite, respectful conversation with you regarding religion.
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August 08, 2015, 05:03:37 PM
I don't necessarily think Atheists hate religions as it appears they hate the people pushing religion on them. I find that many comments seems to stem from people that were brought up in uber religious households where basic views of sex, marriage,kink and just community has been skewed to an extreme. Living in a world where everyone you know sees thing in just one way could unintentionally bring about change be it views , values or religious detachment.
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August 08, 2015, 04:59:27 PM
Superstition is the belief in the supernatural. Things are listed as "supernatural" by scientists because they can't explain them.
Nope, not even close. I can very clearly articulately for you why there is no such thing as talking snakes, winged sky humans, and invisible sky fathers.

It's all basic physics and biology, really. For example winged humans wouldn't be able to fly as our lift-to-mass ratio would never be high enough. Bones too dense.

But I guess Google must be in on the evil "religion = superstition" conspiracy, eh? Or maybe a company founded by engineers has the sense to respect evidence.



From Christopher Langan:

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In fact, if we regard the scientific method as a theory about the nature and acquisition of scientific knowledge (and we can), it is not a theory of knowledge in general.  It is only a theory of things accessible to the senses.  Worse yet, it is a theory only of sensible things that have two further attributes: they are non-universal and can therefore be distinguished from the rest of sensory reality, and they can be seen by multiple observers who are able to “replicate” each other’s observations under like conditions.  Needless to say, there is no reason to assume that these attributes are necessary even in the sensory realm.  The first describes nothing general enough to coincide with reality as a whole – for example, the homogeneous medium of which reality consists, or an abstract mathematical principle that is everywhere true - and the second describes nothing that is either subjective, like human consciousness, or objective but rare and unpredictable…e.g. ghosts, UFOs and yetis, of which jokes are made but which may, given the number of individual witnesses reporting them, correspond to real phenomena.

The fact that the scientific method does not permit the investigation of abstract mathematical principles is especially embarrassing in light of one of its more crucial steps: “invent a theory to fit the observations.”  A theory happens to be a logical and/or mathematical construct whose basic elements of description are mathematical units and relationships.  If the scientific method were interpreted as a blanket description of reality, which is all too often the case, the result would go something like this: “Reality consists of all and only that to which we can apply a protocol which cannot be applied to its own (mathematical) ingredients and is therefore unreal.”  Mandating the use of “unreality” to describe “reality” is rather questionable in anyone’s protocol.

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August 08, 2015, 04:58:17 PM
You need to re-read the definition and my post, because you are missing something.
One of us did.

Do you own a dictionary or utilize one online? I mean where did you go to school? Why do I have to keep defining words to have a conversation with you?

Superstition: the belief in supernatural causality—that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology, religion, omens, witchcraft, prophecies, etc., that contradicts natural science

Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Here is my post:

WAKE UP, THEISTS!

If you still believe in superstition after this post, there is no fucking hope for you.
Superstition is the belief in the supernatural. Things are listed as "supernatural" by scientists because they can't explain them. Scientists don't know why the world works the way they think it does. That is because it doesn't work the way they and you think it does.

When scientists explain them as dark matter (and dark matter or anti-matter works in the same way as demons do), then it might be listed as fact instead of superstition.

Someday you will find out the truth. But for now you follow people who don't want you to know the truth.



Point of what I wrote: Superstition, which is a belief in the supernatural, which is called supernatural by scientists because they can't explain them.

Definition combining Superstition and supernatural:
Superstition, the belief in something that is attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding.

Scientists don't know everything, but Christianity explains what scientists don't know or don't want to admit to the public.

Please, buy a dictionary!!!
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August 08, 2015, 04:48:19 PM
WAKE UP, THEISTS!



If you still believe in superstition after this post, there is no fucking hope for you.
Superstition is the belief in the supernatural. Things are listed as "supernatural" by scientists because they can't explain them. Scientists don't know why the world works the way they think it does. That is because it doesn't work the way they and you think it does.

When scientists explain them as dark matter (and dark matter or anti-matter works in the same way as demons do), then it might be listed as fact instead of superstition.

Someday you will find out the truth. But for now you follow people who don't want you to know the truth.



Science only gives you probability.
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August 08, 2015, 04:43:30 PM
You need to re-read the definition and my post, because you are missing something.
One of us did.
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August 08, 2015, 04:41:43 PM
Superstition is the belief in the supernatural. Things are listed as "supernatural" by scientists because they can't explain them.
Nope, not even close.



You need to re-read the definition and my post, because you are missing something.
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August 08, 2015, 04:39:05 PM
Superstition is the belief in the supernatural. Things are listed as "supernatural" by scientists because they can't explain them.
Nope, not even close. I can very clearly articulately for you why there is no such thing as talking snakes, winged sky humans, and invisible sky fathers.

It's all basic physics and biology, really. For example winged humans wouldn't be able to fly as our lift-to-mass ratio would never be high enough. Bones too dense.

But I guess Google must be in on the evil "religion = superstition" conspiracy, eh? Or maybe a company founded by engineers has the sense to respect evidence.

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