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June 07, 2015, 01:09:08 PM
All theists ignore science, every religion claims to be the only true one and believes that everyone else is going to hell, they all believe in ancient holy books, they all shove their beliefs down other people's throats

Way to generalize.

I'm a theist.  I do not ignore science.

Here's a true generalization for you:  All scientists who believe it is necessarily silly to believe in something without physical evidence are hypocrites.

LOL I am theist and science is one of my favorite subjects. Atheist don't want to be generalized but then they generalize us. Roll Eyes

I just think Philosophy is a lost art sometimes, which is incredibly unfortunate because it's a predicate for any and all beliefs and worldviews, including scientific ones.

Every time I hear a proponent of science discredit the merits of philosophical thinking, I have little choice but to assume they don't really understand the Scientific Method and why/how it works, and then I wish dunce caps were popular again.
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June 07, 2015, 12:46:16 PM
All theists ignore science, every religion claims to be the only true one and believes that everyone else is going to hell, they all believe in ancient holy books, they all shove their beliefs down other people's throats

Way to generalize.

I'm a theist.  I do not ignore science.

Here's a true generalization for you:  All scientists who believe it is necessarily silly to believe in something without physical evidence are hypocrites.

LOL I am theist and science is one of my favorite subjects. Atheist don't want to be generalized but then they generalize us. Roll Eyes
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June 07, 2015, 12:02:04 PM
Let me give you a small example:

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Intelligent Design supposedly created the Mycoplasma genitalium bacterium with 482 genes. Man's analysis of the genome showed that about 100 of those genes did absolutely nothing for the organism except waste food energy. Man then created a synthetic genome consisting of just 382 synthetic genes that were required for this bacterium to function normally. After several thousand of generations the synthetic genome bacteria was still functioning in the same manner as the original bacterium except it was more efficient in regards to energy usage.

Which means either Man fixed the Intelligent (Inept) Design of the Creator or Man has fixed the expected results from the processes of evolution.

Which is it?
Excellent example. I've actually copied it to my archive, as such arguments are quite rare. The same example can be made with humans. Religious people tend to argue that evolution couldn't have made such perfect beings as humans.
However studies have shown that less than 10% of our DNA is being used and that the rest is junk. Meaning our design isn't efficient at all. Some sources are claiming 8.2% is being used, that's about 250 million DNA letters. However, more than 2 billion are junk.

So many people are doing the same logical fallacy (so called round-trip fallacy) again and again. If you don't understand something, it doesn't mean it is meaningless (still less junk). In short, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...

This pertains to the original post as well (that about Mycoplasma)
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June 07, 2015, 11:50:47 AM
Let me give you a small example:

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Intelligent Design supposedly created the Mycoplasma genitalium bacterium with 482 genes. Man's analysis of the genome showed that about 100 of those genes did absolutely nothing for the organism except waste food energy. Man then created a synthetic genome consisting of just 382 synthetic genes that were required for this bacterium to function normally. After several thousand of generations the synthetic genome bacteria was still functioning in the same manner as the original bacterium except it was more efficient in regards to energy usage.

Which means either Man fixed the Intelligent (Inept) Design of the Creator or Man has fixed the expected results from the processes of evolution.

Which is it?
Excellent example. I've actually copied it to my archive, as such arguments are quite rare. The same example can be made with humans. Religious people tend to argue that evolution couldn't have made such perfect beings as humans.
However studies have shown that less than 10% of our DNA is being used and that the rest is junk. Meaning our design isn't efficient at all. Some sources are claiming 8.2% is being used, that's about 250 million DNA letters. However, more than 2 billion are junk.
http://www.livescience.com/46986-human-genome-junk-dna.html
http://www.medicaldaily.com/human-genome-mostly-junk-dna-only-82-functional-294786

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the only thing exists is humanity..and i do believe in humanity..if i have hurted any ones feeling,let me be forgived.

So you're telling me that humanity is the only intelligent species out there?  Roll Eyes
There are roughly 500 billion galaxies in the universe (observable so far). So there are about 50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (5×10^22) potential habitable planets. I’ll leave you to do the math on whether one of those 50 sextillion planets has alien life or not.

Note: Source is 2 years old; information tends to change.
Source
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June 07, 2015, 11:08:18 AM
i think teachers in church know that god is not there they play with childs emotions.I understand that teachers in certain church-based schools, and parents in some ‘religious’ homes, commonly used the ‘fear of God’ to make children behave.
shouldn't they tell the child reality..?

the only thing exists is humanity..and i do believe in humanity..if i have hurted any ones feeling,let me be forgived.

thank you.


If someone tells another to not do something "bad" (as outlined in the bible) or else they will go to hell, that is not of the New Testament.

The belief:

1) Everyone is a sinner by nature.
2) Everyone will sin (even teachers in a church)
3) Jesus Christ washes away our sins if we ask for it.
4) Everyone can be saved by accepting Jesus Christ as their savior.

Jesus had dinner with all types of people. The point of Christianity is to welcome everyone in, if they want to be there.

Luke 7:37 And behold, a woman of the city, who was a sinner, when she learned that he (Jesus) was reclining at table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of ointment, 38 and standing behind him at his feet, weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head and kissed his feet and anointed them with the ointment. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would have known who and what sort of woman this is who is touching him, for she is a sinner.” 40 And Jesus answering said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.” And he answered, “Say it, Teacher.”

41 “A certain moneylender had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 When they could not pay, he cancelled the debt of both. Now which of them will love him more?” 43 Simon answered, “The one, I suppose, for whom he cancelled the larger debt.” And he said to him, “You have judged rightly.” 44 Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little.” 48 And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” 49 Then those who were at table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?” 50 And he said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”


Matthew 21:31"Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you that the tax collectors and prostitutes will get into the kingdom of God before you. 32"For John came to you in the way of righteousness and you did not believe him; but the tax collectors and prostitutes did believe him; and you, seeing this, did not even feel remorse afterward so as to believe him.

Yes, it does say to spend time with sinners but not with too many sinful people, you wouldn't want to be influenced to sin more. We, Christians are to embrace everyone, and show his mercy to everyone, but not to get "unequally chained" with sinners, lest we fall into more sinful behavior.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

My point is, the message should be about accepting people as long as they love Jesus, and any sins are washed away. There's no point in saying if you do, you'll go to hell. Jesus forgave many people, many sins just because they believed in him.

If you believe Christians are "putting the fear of God" in someone as telling them they'll go to hell if they don't straighten up, it's not a very Christian message... Christ embraces sinners all the time. That's the real Christian message.

As far as telling children the reality, the reality is if you sin, you're more prone to more sin. (sinning doesn't really matter for salvation,  when you can just ask for forgiveness, but it does lead to being in situations that are more difficult to live with in the long run)

They should be taught to do unto others as they would have done unto themselves. Put yourself in any other person's position and see if you'd like it if it happened to you. It's not the best (as you may be ok with things others aren't), but it's a pretty good outline of how to act.
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June 07, 2015, 10:40:31 AM
So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.


I don't think Atheists hate religion, they just don't believe in it.

Maybe the real question is why do YOU hate religion? What made you "give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which [your] ancestors have followed for generations"? What's your story?

And there's nothing wrong with hating something, but I think that's really what you're trying to understand.
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June 07, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
i think teachers in church know that god is not there they play with childs emotions.I understand that teachers in certain church-based schools, and parents in some ‘religious’ homes, commonly used the ‘fear of God’ to make children behave.
shouldn't they tell the child reality..?

the only thing exists is humanity..and i do believe in humanity..if i have hurted any ones feeling,let me be forgived.

thank you.
legendary
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June 06, 2015, 05:17:19 AM
Look at ourselves Bodily parts how nicely and precisely has been created

You obviously know nothing of biology. Which isn't a surprise for someone who is reducing their world-view to "Whoa, it is so complicated I don't comprehend how it all works, therefore God".



Let me give you a small example:

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Intelligent Design supposedly created the Mycoplasma genitalium bacterium with 482 genes. Man's analysis of the genome showed that about 100 of those genes did absolutely nothing for the organism except waste food energy. Man then created a synthetic genome consisting of just 382 synthetic genes that were required for this bacterium to function normally. After several thousand of generations the synthetic genome bacteria was still functioning in the same manner as the original bacterium except it was more efficient in regards to energy usage.

Which means either Man fixed the Intelligent (Inept) Design of the Creator or Man has fixed the expected results from the processes of evolution.

Which is it?
legendary
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June 06, 2015, 02:02:14 AM
Okay, point taken. I won't speak to him on this thread anymore.
Please, just put him on ignore and let's try to actually have a beneficial discussion.

I guess that one of the reasons could be that the theists think that they are superior and better. However, even when a person presents to them facts/evidence they do not give up. If anyone would be superior that would be the agnostics and atheists.
e.g. Does anyone even know how flawed the early chapter of Genesis is? We don't know much about Adam's offspring aside from the first son being Cain, second son Abel; there was another one named Seth which was "begotten when Adam was 130 years old". According to the text (Genesis 5:3-4) Adam "begot son and daughters" after that. This same passage tells us that Adam lived for 930 years (Genesis 5:5).

So according to some evolution isn't possible, but living for 930 years is. Very intelligent thought.  Roll Eyes
The underlying problem is here is that theists are very closed minded about this. They interpret and only use the parts of the Bible that fit their needs. I think that some atheists can't really handle this, i.e. they aren't that patient. This is where part of their hate could come from.
legendary
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June 06, 2015, 01:53:12 AM
Look at ourselves Bodily parts how nicely and precisely has been created.

Or evolved, which gives us the impression of being created with this much precision.
legendary
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June 06, 2015, 01:49:19 AM
Look at ourselves Bodily parts how nicely and precisely has been created

You obviously know nothing of biology. Which isn't a surprise for someone who is reducing their world-view to "Whoa, it is so complicated I don't comprehend how it all works, therefore God".

legendary
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June 05, 2015, 08:35:23 PM

The thread went completely the wrong path once you've started answering to BADecker.
Okay, point taken. I won't speak to him on this thread anymore.


 Cheesy   This should prove interesting...    Cheesy
legendary
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June 05, 2015, 04:33:33 PM

The thread went completely the wrong path once you've started answering to BADecker.
Okay, point taken. I won't speak to him on this thread anymore.
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June 05, 2015, 04:20:23 PM
So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.




The reason behind that Atheists hate Religion is that, they want to live boundless to any power and carefree in this world. First of All we must know ourselves creation. How we are created, and What is the purpose behind that. If anyone say that everything in this universe is Just been born or created as Natural, it is utterly ignorant. Think calmly and wisely with deep intellectual thoughts. Look at ourselves Bodily parts how nicely and precisely has been created by One power who is above than everything in the Universe. Find first Who is that power behind all these beautiful creations.
legendary
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June 05, 2015, 09:21:28 AM
Do theists hate atheists?   Smiley
legendary
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June 05, 2015, 09:17:58 AM
All theists ignore science, every religion claims to be the only true one and believes that everyone else is going to hell, they all believe in ancient holy books, they all shove their beliefs down other people's throats

Way to generalize.

I'm a theist.  I do not ignore science.

Here's a true generalization for you:  All scientists who believe it is necessarily silly to believe in something without physical evidence are hypocrites.
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June 05, 2015, 06:41:59 AM
If a thread reaches over a certain amount of pages full of discussion, is it still relevant to continue the discussion? And with over 600 replies shouldn't you expect a part of those to be no more than trolling or very simple statements?

Actively being an atheist is actively being against all believes in deities, being an atheist is being part of a religion too. Not believing in deities does not make you an atheist. Just a non believer in gods as being conscent about by the majority. You might believe in other things, other than a god.

Just my two cents, simple cents, but hey, it's the age of the internet, you can drown in piles of two cents if you're not carefull!!  Grin
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June 05, 2015, 06:07:40 AM
This thread is going out of control... Not every atheist hates religion ,Everyone has the right to believe in what they want
It was never really going to be a mature solid conversion was it. I mean OPs initial question was a fallacy because it was a loaded question from the start.

Okay, this kind of argument is one of the worst that there are. I'm just going to quote something very dumb that I've read somewhere recently:
nope ! The definition atheist usually covers very kind people with a lot of respect for others
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June 05, 2015, 05:58:35 AM
nope ! The definition atheist usually covers very kind people with a lot of respect for others
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June 05, 2015, 03:06:22 AM
All theists ignore science, every religion claims to be the only true one and believes that everyone else is going to hell, they all believe in ancient holy books, they all shove their beliefs down other people's throats
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