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Hueristic

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Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 10:19:59 PM

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I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Do you have any clue how wrong you are? Most laws are based on religious doctrine.

If a person has not harmed another or damaged his property, whatever laws are brought up against him in the courts, he can rebut those laws using his freedom of religion... of course, only if he holds to that personal religion. People don't do this, but they could and should.

You are arguing someone can do something against the law because of their religion beliefs but not that someone can do something because the laws religious rules are wrong. Do you see the difference?

Not arguing yet. I don't understand what you are saying. Some religious rules and laws are not right. Some of your personal religious rules and laws of your personal religion are not right according to the personal rules and laws of somebody else and their religion.

Arguing as in the term debating. I agree with your last post. Although I don't believe I hold any personal religious rules. And I refuse to live by others personal religious rules. But it is amusing that I have noted in many that they do not even notice that their opinion is based on their doctrine. Maybe mine is as well and I am as blind to the fact?

If you strongly believe that you don't have any religious rules, and you firmly believe you don't have any religion, and you think about it regularly, and you adamantly stand up and say it now and again, you have the religion of not having a religion. Definition #6 at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t says: "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice."

Nice catch 22 you found there. Tongue

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But that would be an atheist and is why I am Agnostic.

It is a paradox that only God can know if it exists and anyone thinking otherwise is in fact claiming to be God.

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:17:06 PM

I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Do you have any clue how wrong you are? Most laws are based on religious doctrine.

If a person has not harmed another or damaged his property, whatever laws are brought up against him in the courts, he can rebut those laws using his freedom of religion... of course, only if he holds to that personal religion. People don't do this, but they could and should.

You are arguing someone can do something against the law because of their religion beliefs but not that someone can do something because the laws religious rules are wrong. Do you see the difference?

Not arguing yet. I don't understand what you are saying. Some religious rules and laws are not right. Some of your personal religious rules and laws of your personal religion are not right according to the personal rules and laws of somebody else and their religion.

Arguing as in the term debating. I agree with your last post. Although I don't believe I hold any personal religious rules. And I refuse to live by others personal religious rules. But it is amusing that I have noted in many that they do not even notice that their opinion is based on their doctrine. Maybe mine is as well and I am as blind to the fact?

If you strongly believe that you don't have any religious rules, and you firmly believe you don't have any religion, and you think about it regularly, and you adamantly stand up and say it now and again, you have the religion of not having a religion. Definition #6 at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t says: "something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice."

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Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 09:58:47 PM

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:37:22 PM

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:17:06 PM

I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Do you have any clue how wrong you are? Most laws are based on religious doctrine.

If a person has not harmed another or damaged his property, whatever laws are brought up against him in the courts, he can rebut those laws using his freedom of religion... of course, only if he holds to that personal religion. People don't do this, but they could and should.

You are arguing someone can do something against the law because of their religion beliefs but not that someone can do something because the laws religious rules are wrong. Do you see the difference?

Not arguing yet. I don't understand what you are saying. Some religious rules and laws are not right. Some of your personal religious rules and laws of your personal religion are not right according to the personal rules and laws of somebody else and their religion.

Arguing as in the term debating. I agree with your last post. Although I don't believe I hold any personal religious rules. And I refuse to live by others personal religious rules. But it is amusing that I have noted in many that they do not even notice that their opinion is based on their doctrine. Maybe mine is as well and I am as blind to the fact?

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:49:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 09:44:16 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:37:22 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 09:20:08 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:17:06 PM

I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Do you have any clue how wrong you are? Most laws are based on religious doctrine.

If a person has not harmed another or damaged his property, whatever laws are brought up against him in the courts, he can rebut those laws using his freedom of religion... of course, only if he holds to that personal religion. People don't do this, but they could and should.

You are arguing someone can do something against the law because of their religion beliefs but not that someone can do something because the laws religious rules are wrong. Do you see the difference?

Not arguing yet. I don't understand what you are saying. Some religious rules and laws are not right. Some of your personal religious rules and laws of your personal religion are not right according to the personal rules and laws of somebody else and their religion.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 09:44:16 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:37:22 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 09:20:08 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:17:06 PM

I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Do you have any clue how wrong you are? Most laws are based on religious doctrine.

If a person has not harmed another or damaged his property, whatever laws are brought up against him in the courts, he can rebut those laws using his freedom of religion... of course, only if he holds to that personal religion. People don't do this, but they could and should.

You are arguing someone can do something against the law because of their religion beliefs but not that someone can do something because the laws religious rules are wrong. Do you see the difference?

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:37:22 PM

Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 09:20:08 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:17:06 PM

I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Do you have any clue how wrong you are? Most laws are based on religious doctrine.

If a person has not harmed another or damaged his property, whatever laws are brought up against him in the courts, he can rebut those laws using his freedom of religion... of course, only if he holds to that personal religion. People don't do this, but they could and should.

Hueristic

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Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 09:20:08 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:17:06 PM

I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Do you have any clue how wrong you are? Most laws are based on religious doctrine.

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Quote from: BIT-Sharon on May 25, 2015, 09:21:58 PM

You believe in God or you believe nothing with all doubts which can not be solved by science.

Don't understand what you mean. However, anyone who believes in God believes in science, because God made all the things that are examined by science.

Much of modern science that does not accept God, offers non-scientific ideas and theories. That is, science that is provable suggests other science that is not provable. And in the eyes of a lot of people, it all is science, both the provable and the unproven.

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You believe in God or you believe nothing with all doubts which can not be solved by science.

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Quote from: Hueristic on May 25, 2015, 09:17:06 PM

I don't want Freedom OF religion, I want Freedom FROM religion.

-Confirmed Agnostic

Outside of your own personal religion of life and living, you have the ability to be free from any and all religions. The only way to get rid of your personal religion of life and living is to die (maybe become a vegetable).

Hueristic

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Quote from: Beefcake on May 25, 2015, 07:47:13 PM

Ok, so to answer the original question, I (as an atheist) don't hate religion. What I hate is religious people who try to enforce rules upon the general population. Rules that they themselves do not follow. For example the commandment that says "don't be gay" is preceded by one that says "don't wear wool and linen at the same time." Also sodomy is defined (strictly speaking) as any sex that is not for procreation (or more loosely defined as non-vaginal sex including oral). So, yeah I know a LOT of christians and none of them follow these rules. So where do they get off trying to make other people follow them?

I have had christian friends that did not want to have premarital sex, so they had oral or anal in stead. And yet gay people should not get married...

Anyway, to all the christians out there:

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE EVERYONE ELSE THE F ALONE?!?

And stop saying stupid crap like gay people are like child molesters. Seriously.

When a Christian sees an atheist, out of love for the life and soul of the atheist, he automatically wants to convert the atheist to God, so that the life and soul of the atheist is saved rather than damned.

Then the atheist gets angry with the Christian for telling him supposed nonsense. So he speaks against the Christian. Yet it is the Christian's idea to love and save the atheist.

After a time of being persecuted by atheists, some Christians become upset and fight back, even though they shouldn't. But can you blame these Christians?

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Beefcake!!!

Ok, so to answer the original question, I (as an atheist) don't hate religion. What I hate is religious people who try to enforce rules upon the general population. Rules that they themselves do not follow. For example the commandment that says "don't be gay" is preceded by one that says "don't wear wool and linen at the same time." Also sodomy is defined (strictly speaking) as any sex that is not for procreation (or more loosely defined as non-vaginal sex including oral). So, yeah I know a LOT of christians and none of them follow these rules. So where do they get off trying to make other people follow them?

I have had christian friends that did not want to have premarital sex, so they had oral or anal in stead. And yet gay people should not get married...

Anyway, to all the christians out there:

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE EVERYONE ELSE THE F ALONE?!?

And stop saying stupid crap like gay people are like child molesters. Seriously.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 03:34:00 PM

Nobody's personal religion is the absolute truth.

So that would include yours.

Oh, can't you see the predictable next response? His religion isn't personal, it's universal objective truth! Cheesy

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Quote from: BADecker on May 25, 2015, 03:34:00 PM

Nobody's personal religion is the absolute truth.

So that would include yours.

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I'm trying, really I am. It's like a train crash, you don't want to look, but you just can't seem to turn your head away.
Remember "The Dank Show"?
Now it's "The BADecker Show".

Don't feel too bad about it. I think the reason people keep engaging BADecker is because they actually care to try to prevent someone continuing on such a profoundly deluded path. This differs drastically from BADecker who doesn't seem to care one way or another whether someone believes in the truth or if he/she might go to hell. He's just gleeful from thinking he's right, and that's about it.

I really wonder though, how many Christians and theists would need to tell BADecker he's delusional in order for him to start wondering whether he's wrong?

I remember that, but Dank tended to be funny sometimes. BADecker isn't funny at all.
While I do understand your point it has been proven that it is futile. The best way to fight a disease is to prevent it. Suggesting that he should be ignored is more efficient.

How about we actually get back onto the discussion, as it has taken a wrong path since he has joined.

Quote from: kneim on May 21, 2015, 01:55:27 PM

I'm atheist and believe in the last judgement. I can accept any peaceably religion, the cristian religion maybe too.

Doesn't that contradict your belief. "Atheism is in a broad sense the rejection of belief in the existence of deities." I don't see a rejection in believing in the last judgement. Are you trying to say that you aren't involved in religion at all aside from that?

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The thing that most people don't seem to realize is that a religion is really just a belief system, nothing more. Every human rely on some belief system, whether there be a God involved or not. So you could say everyone is religious, the only thing that separates people is numbers. The guy who has his own personal belief system is not considered religious while millions that adhere to the same system are.

There difference between a belief and a religion is that a religion has ritualistic behavior that is oriented around the belief. As in, believe in XYZ, pray in this specific way, etc, otherwise you won't be granted eternal rewards.

While this is true for folks that barely think about religion or atheism, but rather just live it without thinking. Yet for those who practice their religion, even atheism if the practice it is a religion. Atheists want some information regarding the beginnings of life and human kind. So they focus on scientific "revelations," thereby making the "revelations" their "bible" and the scientists that proclaim the revelations their "priests."

At any rate, those people who don't think much about atheism or other religions, have the personal religion that suggests ignorance about religion. Why? Because they do whatever they do day by day, RELIGIOUSLY.

EDIT: Take a look at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11447618 to see why you might not want to be an atheist any longer.

Badecker we just dont need something to believe in to function.
We dont need to pray to something to feel better about our selfs.
We live as we like.

So if you have a problem with that, then go back to church and ask god if he can kill the free with a flod.

You have been making your point so religiously, that I can't see how you could think that your atheism, at least, is NOT a religion.

If living as you like is your religion, it still is a religion, 'cause you do it religiously. And if it includes atheism, then atheism is a religion for you.

Since you hate religion, you hate atheism and yourself, right?

Here's a question for you: Since you keep claiming atheism is a religion, can you instead describe what it means to be non-religious? In other words, what criteria does a person need to meet in order to be considered non-religious, according to you?

That's easy. Non-religious is what dead people are (of course, they may be other things as well). It is also a term that applies to animals and inanimate things, since the religion of non-religion is a religion, itself.

Cheesy

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Do you believe every individual, living person is religious then?

Actually, outside of a few who are mentally retarded vegetables, yes... although some of them religiously say they aren't.

So, in the past when you said that "religion will be proven true," then you think that the beliefs of every non-retarded, non-vegetable person will also be proven true, including atheists, correct?

Who am I to contradict in the heart of another? If he is convinced to change his beliefs, however, then he has changed his religion.

Nobody's personal religion is the absolute truth. However, if someone's belief is extremely strong, he just might change things to always have been that way right from the beginning, even though it wasn't that way before he believed with such faith.

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The thing that most people don't seem to realize is that a religion is really just a belief system, nothing more. Every human rely on some belief system, whether there be a God involved or not. So you could say everyone is religious, the only thing that separates people is numbers. The guy who has his own personal belief system is not considered religious while millions that adhere to the same system are.

There difference between a belief and a religion is that a religion has ritualistic behavior that is oriented around the belief. As in, believe in XYZ, pray in this specific way, etc, otherwise you won't be granted eternal rewards.

While this is true for folks that barely think about religion or atheism, but rather just live it without thinking. Yet for those who practice their religion, even atheism if the practice it is a religion. Atheists want some information regarding the beginnings of life and human kind. So they focus on scientific "revelations," thereby making the "revelations" their "bible" and the scientists that proclaim the revelations their "priests."

At any rate, those people who don't think much about atheism or other religions, have the personal religion that suggests ignorance about religion. Why? Because they do whatever they do day by day, RELIGIOUSLY.

EDIT: Take a look at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11447618 to see why you might not want to be an atheist any longer.

Badecker we just dont need something to believe in to function.
We dont need to pray to something to feel better about our selfs.
We live as we like.

So if you have a problem with that, then go back to church and ask god if he can kill the free with a flod.

You have been making your point so religiously, that I can't see how you could think that your atheism, at least, is NOT a religion.

If living as you like is your religion, it still is a religion, 'cause you do it religiously. And if it includes atheism, then atheism is a religion for you.

Since you hate religion, you hate atheism and yourself, right?

Here's a question for you: Since you keep claiming atheism is a religion, can you instead describe what it means to be non-religious? In other words, what criteria does a person need to meet in order to be considered non-religious, according to you?

That's easy. Non-religious is what dead people are (of course, they may be other things as well). It is also a term that applies to animals and inanimate things, since the religion of non-religion is a religion, itself.

Cheesy

Cheesy

Do you believe every individual, living person is religious then?

Actually, outside of a few who are mentally retarded vegetables, yes... although some of them religiously say they aren't.

So, in the past when you said that "religion will be proven true," then you think that the beliefs of every non-retarded, non-vegetable person will also be proven true, including atheists, correct?

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Quote from: Buffer Overflow on May 21, 2015, 01:56:54 PM

Hey BADecker, thrown any rocks at gays lately?
Tell you what, why not pop over to my house. I've got two gay tortoises trying to hump each other at the moment. Why not put a smile on Gods face and smash their sinning heads in with an iron bar?
Win win situation. You release some of that anger, kill two creatures for sinning and please God all at the same time.
Gods work.

You poor little guy. I feel so sad for you. Such a burden of pain you bear, deep within your soul. I can only feel compassion for you in your great pain. Perhaps someday someone will find a way to ease your hurt.

Cry

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So was that a yes or a no?

For the rest of the folks reading this, he wouldn't understand either a yes or a no.

Cheesy

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The thing that most people don't seem to realize is that a religion is really just a belief system, nothing more. Every human rely on some belief system, whether there be a God involved or not. So you could say everyone is religious, the only thing that separates people is numbers. The guy who has his own personal belief system is not considered religious while millions that adhere to the same system are.

There difference between a belief and a religion is that a religion has ritualistic behavior that is oriented around the belief. As in, believe in XYZ, pray in this specific way, etc, otherwise you won't be granted eternal rewards.

While this is true for folks that barely think about religion or atheism, but rather just live it without thinking. Yet for those who practice their religion, even atheism if the practice it is a religion. Atheists want some information regarding the beginnings of life and human kind. So they focus on scientific "revelations," thereby making the "revelations" their "bible" and the scientists that proclaim the revelations their "priests."

At any rate, those people who don't think much about atheism or other religions, have the personal religion that suggests ignorance about religion. Why? Because they do whatever they do day by day, RELIGIOUSLY.

EDIT: Take a look at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11447618 to see why you might not want to be an atheist any longer.

Badecker we just dont need something to believe in to function.
We dont need to pray to something to feel better about our selfs.
We live as we like.

So if you have a problem with that, then go back to church and ask god if he can kill the free with a flod.

You have been making your point so religiously, that I can't see how you could think that your atheism, at least, is NOT a religion.

If living as you like is your religion, it still is a religion, 'cause you do it religiously. And if it includes atheism, then atheism is a religion for you.

Since you hate religion, you hate atheism and yourself, right?

Here's a question for you: Since you keep claiming atheism is a religion, can you instead describe what it means to be non-religious? In other words, what criteria does a person need to meet in order to be considered non-religious, according to you?

That's easy. Non-religious is what dead people are (of course, they may be other things as well). It is also a term that applies to animals and inanimate things, since the religion of non-religion is a religion, itself.

Cheesy

Cheesy

Do you believe every individual, living person is religious then?

Actually, outside of a few who are mentally retarded vegetables, yes... although some of them religiously say they aren't.

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