Topic: Why do islam hates people? - page 132. (Read 437390 times)

God the father commands similar atrocities in the old testament; rape, murder..

The lesser of two evils is still evil...

Not like THIS-

2015.05.06 (Sulaimanzai, Afghanistan) - Two children are reduced to pulp by a Taliban bomb blast.
2015.05.04 (Rashad, Iraq) - Jihadi bombers target a displaced family, killing two female members.
2015.05.04 (Deri Ghazi Khan, Pakistan) - One person is killed when Islamic militants attack a school.
2015.05.04 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - One other person is killed when a Shahid suicide bomber attacks a civilian bus.
2015.05.02 (Diyala, Iraq) - Five women are among seven passengers torn to shreds by a Mujahid blast on a bus.
2015.05.01 (Adamawa, Nigeria) - Ten captured women are stoned to death by Boko Haram to keep them from being rescued.

So you use opinions without any objective evidence and claim myself to be wrong. K.

As I said earlier, Christ claims to be the same as god the father. The New Testament's teachings go directly against the Old Testament's teachings. That means that either Christ or God the father is wrong, and since one of them is wrong, that means they are neither god as a true god is perfect in every way and cannot be wrong.

Christianity is pro violence, as is the other two Abrahamic religions.

True.

Islam says love towards Islamites, but opposition towards those who are not Islamites. The question is, if Islam were the only religion and the only government in the world, would there be peace then? The answer is in the fact that there is fighting among the different Islamite sects right now.

You talk about one being wrong. The wrong one is you.

As I said, "Christian people make mistakes like anyone else, but the Christian religion is totally against hate and violence. Read the New Testament."

we are talking about a cult that doesn't consider the consequences of its agenda as particularly important.

Free will lets them do that just as much as free will lets you do something good.

The Old Testament is identical in violence and hatred to the Koran and Torah. All that the New Testament does is contradict the Old Testament, proving the invadility(Falseness) of the bible. After all, christ claims to be one with god the father, but his teachings go directly against the teachings of god the father, so one of them is wrong(A true god cannot make mistakes), and that means neither of them are god.

Also, during the crusades, christian missionaries and knights murdered countless people for trivial reasons to "reclaim the holy land", not anything remotely similar to self-defense.

Why do you think that about Christianity? In the words of the New Testament, on which Christianity is based, there is no directive to hate or do violence against anyone. There almost isn't anything written that could be interpreted that way. That's why terrorists don't use Christianity as the reason that they do their terrorism.

The Crusades of the past that did violence, either did it out of self-defense with the idea that a strong offense is the best defense, or they did it out of ignorance, directed by the politicians of the day.

Christian people make mistakes like anyone else, but the Christian religion is totally against hate and violence. Read the New Testament.

One implication of that problem appears to be, the ability of individual Muslim clerics and/or individuals to define for themselves what is a Muslim and what is a non-Muslim.

At least from the point of view of a rather naive Westerner, I can think of no other explanation for the massive violence between Sunni and Shiite.   Obviously the division of the religion into splintered groups could not have been forecast by Mohammed, or their development into sometimes warring factions.

In this sense, the method of thinking of Zakir is the problem, not the solution.  He demands the right to define what a Muslim is and what it is not according to his beliefs.  But others having that same "right", define it very differently.  Then there is massive confusion of ideas.

Here are how OTHER Islamists defined their religion in the last several days -

2015.05.06 (Sulaimanzai, Afghanistan) - Two children are reduced to pulp by a Taliban bomb blast.
2015.05.04 (Rashad, Iraq) - Jihadi bombers target a displaced family, killing two female members.
2015.05.04 (Deri Ghazi Khan, Pakistan) - One person is killed when Islamic militants attack a school.
2015.05.04 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - One other person is killed when a Shahid suicide bomber attacks a civilian bus.
2015.05.02 (Diyala, Iraq) - Five women are among seven passengers torn to shreds by a Mujahid blast on a bus.
2015.05.01 (Adamawa, Nigeria) - Ten captured women are stoned to death by Boko Haram to keep them from being rescued.

In the Koran, it is acceptable to kill non-muslims and those that leave the islam faith. There is no questioning that, and that's what terrorists use to justify their actions, because it is justifyable according to the Koran's texts.

Islam, Christianity, Judasim, are religions of War, hate, murder, death. They are the farthest things from being religions of peace.

I apologize for misspelling the name and think you have a point.  You didn't slab the Hate word on because of "stoning to death" but in reference to other statements which in your opinion were "Twisted".

First of all, I am Zakir not Zahir. I already said this earlier.

Secondly, "Islamaphobia" and "You hate Islam" was to some of the things you said/twisted not "stone to death". I never said you hate Islam because you didn't like stone to death. Isn't this a lie? This also answers you want to make Muslims look bad and you lie to do it.

Uh... I forgot. According to you, only I & Netpyder lies and whatever you guys say is true.

Of course the phrase "conservative" means different things in different places and cultures, but I can't think of any relation between "conservative" = "hate islam."

On this thread the accusations of "hate islam" are mostly completely baseless, and seem to be hurled around in attempts to shut people up.  They don't seem to be accurate portrayals of views.

The funniest part is due to Muslims using words like Islamophobia they obfuscate any and all criticism of their religion/ideology.

On this thread you can see it.

Zahir:  "It is good to stone women to death."
Spendulus:  "No it isn't."
Zahir:  "You hate Islam!"
Netpyder:  "You are Islamophobia"

No, it isn't good to stone women to death.  Call me names all you want.  Call me a hater.   

Do you believe people hate islam?


 

I Don't think that islam hates people.

It's the conservative mind of people around us in the society who feels that islam hates people and they will force you to think in the same manner as they do. But it's a completely individual decision and individual experience that will help you to think differently.

If you respect me, I respect you.
But the moment you tell me that I need to live different and threatn to hurt or kill someone because of how I live, then I will take you down.

I will stand at the border of my country with a rifle and defend it till the day I die, and will never let the democracy be thrown down by islamic laws.

I live in a free country, and the moment you want to take that away from me, then it gets personal.

LOL the "Reverse Ad Hominem" attack.  I have great respect for people of religion, regardless of whether they respect my athiest, but I cut none of them any slack for sloppy thinking.  Neither do athiests get a break and they got lots of sloppy.

1. How would you know if he only hates muslims?
- Do you know him in real life?
- Do you know if he just dislikes religion because its for weak people who arent able to have a mind of their own?

2. How us some fucking proof that is not from the Quran or any other holybook.
- Show us proof that is from a non islamic source that does not favor any religion.

3. Do you really want me to find that nice link that shows how peacefull islam is?
- Because ill fucking do it.

4. So any english website that does not favor the islamic beliefs is haters and translates it so we will hate islam?
- We do have a mind of our own..
- We believe in what we want, just like you do..
- We just dont deny any wrong actions that was made in the name of that religion.

5. Please look at number 2 again.

6. Does it matter what he believes?
- What I can see it looks like he is whats called athiest..
- He does not need to reely on a old book to be able to function.
- I myself am athiest
- I do not like religion but I have no problem with you being religious, just dont lie to us.

Please do answer ALL questions stated above and dont "cherry pick" a single one that you might be able to answer.