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April 05, 2015, 03:41:48 PM
Now I am really confused about the train of thoughts around here
There should be no confusion.  Your thread "Why islam hates people" has been hijacked and derailed by a couple of pro-Islamic fundamentalist evangelicals, who claim anyone that posts anything is an "Islam hater."

The main tactic consists of ducking and dodging the question of the OP, "Why Islam hates people" and then quoting scripture and claiming it is righteous.  Pretty much the same as Christian evangelicals, if somewhat cruder in technique and interspersed with the righteousness of stoning, cutting off arms and legs, and other fascinated bits of righteousness, interwoven between shoutouts that ...

"Islam is the religion of Peace!"






I had not wanted to sound so directly crude... I had wanted to give the benefit of the doubt... and I still want to give the benefit of the doubt to Muslims who are barely Muslim... those who don't understand the finer points of Islam, and, therefore, aren't really Muslim at heart... but I guess I am forced to get to the heart of the matter which is... when one aligns himself/herself extremely much with a religion, he/she becomes that religion.

The title of the thread, "Why do islam hates people?" is born out in some Muslims who have become Islam. This doesn't answer the question, but it shows what happens when one becomes profoundly and deeply Muslim. Here it is:
http://biblehub.com/1_john/2-2.htm

so to recap,

if Jesus paid for the sin of the whole mankind. and that Christianity is the only true religion.. i would love to put a bullet in your brain  Smiley

"Islam is the religion of Peace?Huh?"

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April 05, 2015, 02:56:57 PM
Now I am really confused about the train of thoughts around here
There should be no confusion.  Your thread "Why islam hates people" has been hijacked and derailed by a couple of pro-Islamic fundamentalist evangelicals, who claim anyone that posts anything is an "Islam hater."

The main tactic consists of ducking and dodging the question of the OP, "Why Islam hates people" and then quoting scripture and claiming it is righteous.  Pretty much the same as Christian evangelicals, if somewhat cruder in technique and interspersed with the righteousness of stoning, cutting off arms and legs, and other fascinated bits of righteousness, interwoven between shoutouts that ...

"Islam is the religion of Peace!"




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April 05, 2015, 02:53:02 PM
However , a true christian is forgiven if he reads the right bible i mean not the edited one . The original one . Governments made changes in bible just about their rules there are many hundreads of changes madden in bible.
Bilble is not in its original position

You are right except one. Government did made changes but IMHO priests twisted it a lot than government did. Many priests twisted the meaning instead of changing it. Sad

I always liked and believed in Zakir Naik's these words: "We(Muslims) are more Christian than the Christians themselves!"



Guide me Zakir bhi if i am wrong .


I am afraid I don't have enough knowledge to do it.

You guys have one hell of a role model there in Mister Naik.   Suddenly it is very clear "Why Islam hates."  These are the kinds of people you guys listen to and look up to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakir_Naik

Quoting from him directly:

Naik has said that not all Muslims who convert from Islam should necessarily receive death sentences, but that those who leave Islam and then "propagate the non-Islamic faith and speak against Islam" should be put to death in an Islamic rule.

"If bin Laden is fighting enemies of Islam, I am for him," and that "If he is terrorizing America – the terrorist, biggest terrorist – I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist. The thing is that if he is terrorizing the terrorist, he is following Islam. Whether he is or not, I don’t know, but you as Muslims know that, without checking up, laying allegations is also wrong."[33]

When Time hinted that this remark could have inspired Najibullah Zazi's terrorist activities, Naik insisted: "I have always condemned terrorism, because according to the glorious Koran, if you kill one innocent person, then you have killed the whole of humanity".

"As far as terrorist is concerned," he said, "I tell the Muslims that every Muslim should be a terrorist. ... What is the meaning of the word terrorist? Terrorist by definition means a person who terrorises. So in this context every Muslim should be a terrorist to each and every anti-social element. I’m aware that terrorist is more commonly used for a person who terrorises innocent human beings. So in this context no Muslim should ever terrorise a single innocent human being."

Let me say this regarding your revered Naik.  The American Indians had simple words to describe this kind of double talk double speak, that some thought was clever and would confuse them, or which enabled any to read into it what they wished.  It went like this.

"That white man speak with forked tongue."
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April 05, 2015, 02:12:16 PM
Now I am really confused about the train of thoughts around here
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April 05, 2015, 11:42:15 AM
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My biggest "I want to raise my hand" is with this Christian loath of the self and the condemnation of the DNA trail of ancestry.....
Well, for me the moment I was ordered to stone someone to death, I would certainly loath myself ever after.

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Bolded above, what does it mean?

why do you pick messages that you can answer or deviate from the subject?
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April 05, 2015, 09:16:03 AM
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My biggest "I want to raise my hand" is with this Christian loath of the self and the condemnation of the DNA trail of ancestry.....
Well, for me the moment I was ordered to stone someone to death, I would certainly loath myself ever after.

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Bolded above, what does it mean?
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April 04, 2015, 01:26:40 PM
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April 04, 2015, 01:21:20 PM
Allright since this diverted so much yet admins are okay with that. I will share my opinion and belief. I am a believer of God. Before Islam and Before Abraham. I believe in god in a "somewhat" pure way and I use my heart following god's helping hand helping us reach back.

The first thing I believe in is god's justice and fairness. For that I don't believe in Islam or Christianity as a heritage. To think that some of us "know" the answer is just ego, pride or self deluding. We are all on a journey going there and we have to understand if we are to reach any closer we should hold on on that link that we cannot explain and reach back. I am happy to tell you all that I will easily renounce Islam or whatever religion I would believe in if it showed ungodly. I am well versed in religions but I do not like slamming quotes because really... .who knows? I believe in the Koran because I believe in the method of preservation that was used to preserve it. My heart is closer to it. That is basically it.

My biggest "I want to raise my hand" is with this Christian loath of the self and the condemnation of the DNA trail of ancestry. I will renounce Islam the moment it is proven to me to be the same. I don't even believe Christianity is like that but some people are VERY selective regarding their quotes of the bible.

What about Ezekiel 18:20? You would ignore what the lord said because you want to label a certain bloodline based on what is in Genesis. Really? The books coming from the people that discriminated against everyone and killed him on a cross? You pick their words that they are KNOWN to change and manipulate the scripts to benefit them against your lord and saviour that promoted love, compassion, understanding and equality?

Seriously guys. Muslims are not Mohhammed. Christians are not Jesus (As a human, don't give me a lecture here about his godly essence or whatever). We are humans and we misnterpret, We take things out of context and we do much worse as to fabricate if we need to. Remember what these people taught us and regardless if there were godly or not. Otherwise if god exists, we are just driving ourselves further and further.
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April 04, 2015, 01:02:39 PM
born in Isreal we are forbidden to communicate with muslims, many things goes down here

You're forbidden to communicate with Muslims? By who? I've never heard of this before.

By the government and the MOSAD that would stalk the shit out of you if you do.

By the government? Then there is a law you can provide to prove this? Excuse my skepticism, but there's a lot of BS in this thread, and I'm trying to discern fact from bias.
Yes, that's a complete fabrication.  Israel has many issues but "forbidden to communicate with muslims" is not one of them.
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April 04, 2015, 12:53:31 PM

hahaha even better.

the link you posted.

kindly answer this;

you believe in what they say? ok fine you do because you think its the truth.
the link itself has nothing wrong??

God was not supposed to love all mankind? what happened?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxoVis_6yNA

I don't absolutely know that Mohammed isn't referred to in the Bible. But, if he is a descendant of Abraham through Ishmael, if he has the genealogical records that are absolutely accurate and say this, then here is what the Bible might be referring to about Mohammed, Genesis 16: 11,12:
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The angel of the LORD also said to her [Hagar]:

“You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael for the LORD has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

Why anyone would want to be a descendant of Ishmael is uncertain, unless the person is of a violent heart, and wants to be associated with violence.

God is love. Genesis 17: 17- says:
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Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!”
 
Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.” When he had finished speaking with Abraham, God went up from him.

Out of love God listened to Abraham and made Ishmael strong. But God's greater plan of love was to make Isaac strong, because the Savior, Jesus, would come from the line of Isaac.

The Angel of the Lord spoken about above, was probably Jesus in His state as God. It is a study in itself, but there is a lot of Old Testament evidence that the Angel of the Lord was God, Himself. Yet He wasn't the Father, and certainly He wasn't the Holy Spirit. Thus, He was probably Jesus.

Genesis 21:9-13 says :
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But Sarah saw that the son [Ishmael] whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, and she said to Abraham, “Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac.”

The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring."

Galatians 4:21-31 in the New Testament says the same thing:
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Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise.

These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written:

“Be glad, O barren woman,
who bears no children;
break forth and cry aloud,
you who have no labor pains;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”

Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time the son born in the ordinary way persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. But what does the Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

So, why you would want to be a person in slavery, I don't know.

The whole thing is referring to the salvation that Jesus wrought on the cross. He did it to set us free, if we believe in Him. The freedom isn't only for the physical descendants of Isaac. It is for everyone who believes in Jesus as the Savior.

Follow the things of Ishmael and Mohammed if you want, but you are only dooming yourself to an eternity of slavery.

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April 04, 2015, 10:48:10 AM
born in Isreal we are forbidden to communicate with muslims, many things goes down here

You're forbidden to communicate with Muslims? By who? I've never heard of this before.

By the government and the MOSAD that would stalk the shit out of you if you do.

By the government? Then there is a law you can provide to prove this? Excuse my skepticism, but there's a lot of BS in this thread, and I'm trying to discern fact from bias.


Anything christians and atheists say in this thread is islamophobic and racist. Anything told and written withing the book of The Religion of Peace© is true, as pure as virgin snow falling down in slow motion, in the hand of a new born muslim...

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April 04, 2015, 09:57:39 AM
born in Isreal we are forbidden to communicate with muslims, many things goes down here

You're forbidden to communicate with Muslims? By who? I've never heard of this before.

By the government and the MOSAD that would stalk the shit out of you if you do.

By the government? Then there is a law you can provide to prove this? Excuse my skepticism, but there's a lot of BS in this thread, and I'm trying to discern fact from bias.
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April 04, 2015, 08:30:52 AM
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April 04, 2015, 01:58:24 AM
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few people will agree with you, i do. but haters always gonna hate. been explaining to spendulus for over a week, giving quotes, facts and proofs. everytime i answer one of his question and he cannot reply back, he wait for another topic to pop on the thread and push on the topic. once they get their answer and they cannot reply they will find other questions but never accept the answer that has been given.. always hopping off subject to another.. am tired of him a while back, but replying just to defend the accusations against my religion, Islam.
other than that, i dont even want to reply him
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April 03, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
It's not that they hate people...
It's a fight for the world domination.
We - Europe/ Christianity used to do the same before:




That "world domination by europe theme" can be more accurate by using this image instead





The crusades were a failure in the end, and never reached america for example...

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