Topic: Why do islam hates people? - page 166. (Read 437390 times)

I agree, it's not directly, but sure is a deliberate breeding ground for hate.

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."

[/quote]Wrong as this may be, it is not a commandment to hate.

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."

Not speaking as a Christian here, I am not one, but as I understand the Bible and it's teachings it contains no directive to hate anyone, quite the opposite.

If you are not here and won't be offended, it'll likely be because you have been killed by some Muslim group simply for starting this thread.

Because of time constraints these days please pm me your questions it is really hard to go through all posts and stuff.

Hello again guys, I will try to answer you questions but currently I would do it rather "briefly" because of other time consuming things I am working on at the moment.

DISCLAIMER: All my answers are of my opinion and the knowledge and experiences I accomulated over the course of my life. I have given myself a place to "answer" because I am of the origin of Islam, to extends I would rather not tell you about, But I am very much and by all means, of the traditional Islam in its purist (or most ancient) form.


- Starting from the "where", The uniqueness of Islam that it was not like in other Ibrahimic religions and constraints itself to the private practices and moral guides of the individual and a specific set of people; It went to giveout guidelines and "laws" on how to govern a society or a community where the majority are Muslims. There are two problems that rose up from this. The first was being subjective to different interpretation and manipulations by the "executors" of such laws. The second being the clash against other established or emerging systems and laws.

What we calling "false" islam is actually a specific mentality or a way of thinking taking over a certain governed society, Sometimes the society actually is behind it and sometimes it is not. For example and it is VERY obvious, in Iraq, ISIS is governing by blood and bullets. You believe what they believe or you die. It is sustained by fear and it is alluring to join as you will be feared, it gives a sense of being.... important. Also because it is "loosly" based on some traditional Islamic beliefs. A long beard and a short thobe gives a teenager the sense that this guy is actually telling him the truth behind his belief system. He would want to defend his people, he would want to restore the glory to his country.

Take another example, Egypt. Even thought a specific group is considered radical, The majority of Muslims are not condemning their way of thinking. Most of them think they are the brave warriors of Islam. I can tell you for sure that Osama Bin Laden is considered a hero in many many Arab and muslim countries. Believe it or not at a point even I considered him one. In certain aspects I still believe he is and will always be, But no any more or less than Bradley Manning!. But that is going beyond the question, lets take this section to another post

For the second problem, The clashing of societies, Cultures and belief system. We see it everyday in every country with a diversity of religions that includes Islam. I would quote the legendary Ahmed Deedat with the ultimate answer to this problem and add some to it. He said once "Don't live in a country that you don't think it is worth dying for, Just don't live there, don't complain!". I will add to that "and simply if the disagreement of the society you are living with does not invade or interrupt your personal space and religious practices, Leave!". For example, muslims in many countries are not allowed to legally have more than one wife, Yet so little complains, While in the Philippines the moment you declare you are a Muslim it becomes legal for you to do that, Yet everyone complains!.

Finally I would say that there is no sustainability for "false" islam (lets call it severely radical and chaotic) without blood, money and godless people behind it.

Religions, All religions are good. It is the people that are very bad.

I don't know if I diverted from the question, sorry if I did. I have alot of javascript ode in the back of my head to write.

Actually it's the reverse, the radicals are the ones shaping the image of Islam in the world's view, by hijacking the media through the media's propensity for covering atrocities.

It's pretty much to the point where in the world's view, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has come to be associated with a terrorist, rather than it's original meaning.   But this is a statement of the problem, not the solution, and is not indicative of the causes, but the effects.

According to Mainstream Media there are approximately 2 billion Muslims. Out of that population it is estimated that 10-15% are radicalized. Let's lean to the lower side and go with 5%. 5% means that there are 100 million radicalized, bat-shit crazy pieces of shit among the population.

That is a whole lot of crazy and they are producing offspring to carry on the tradition.

So my question is how do we sort the good from the bad?

How come the supposed 'good' Muslims are not weeding these people out? Or at least publicly decrying it?

You guys, good or bad, have earned a bad rep. How do you propose overcoming it? I mean you still treat woman as property, don't you?

Hello, and thank you for responding.  Here are the questions I have posed.

I would like to see where and how the false Islam develops and sustains itself.

I would like one of the more devout and learned Muslims on this forum to enunciate the logical steps, though them may be in his view in error, that lead radical muslims to believe based on the Koran they have the religious authority to do terrorist acts.

That is after all the subject of this thread.  It really isn't good enough to just deny it - "Oh, the terrorists are not REAL MUSLIMS."  Or to say it's crazy people.
You do claim your religion has authority for righteous violence.  To me and most people on this forum or in the world today, this is crazy talk.

Therefore, please address the question of Islamic terrorism directly.

Hello all, I am happy to join this "discussion" and give you unbiased specific information. I am a Arab, Muslim and born and raised in Mecca. Yup I was born less than a kilometres from the holy mosque. Please ask specific question of how do you think Islam is and its opinion regarding a specific matter. I will be happy to answer and being unbiased regardless if the answer sounding "good" or "bad"

Go ahead, ask

Well, the Christian perspective is not to "Only hate the bad person..."  It is to not engage in hate.

Regardless, I would like to see where and how the false Islam develops and sustains itself.

+100

whos said islam hates people,..?
islam full of tenderness
compassion for the whole universe ,...
RAHMATAN LIL ALAMIN

Interesting video, so I should to hate those people all because they are muslim and they believe in one unique God name 'Allah'. No Sorry I don't hate those people, I hate only the bad person who don't know what they are saying (for example those kids in the video).

Muslims who read that "bad" verses in the Quran or Hadith, if they remain Muslim very long after that, they try to figure out ways to make it look like the words of the Quran aren't so bad after all. That's why we read a bunch of Muslim apologist stuff in this thread saying that the bad words are really just a zealous expression of good things when taken in text.

Bad is bad. Good is good. They might work together at times. They might stand side by side for a while. But bad will always remain bad, and good will always remain good, and the bad in the Quran will always taint it badly.

Yes, I understand that we have some attempts at misdirection, reframing and mis framing of the argument.  But I am asking a simple and direct question, which should be capable of being answered.  If the local faithful muslims cannot or will not answer this I can understand, because it is a horrible thing.  But this question is...

From specific verses and tenents of the Islam religion how is the mis guided belief set that it's good to drive airplanes into skyscrapers derived?

The answer would be something like "Verse 2.b.1 says "XCVXCVXCV" and it is misunderstood by these radicals to mean "SDFSDFSDFS".  Etc, etc.  But how is the theory of who the enemy is derived?   The "terrorist action" is taken against "enemy" women and children, not warriers.  Of course in my view this makes the "terrorists" cowards.  But I would just like to understand the chain of logic which in the view of saner and mainstream people is illogic.

A process of understanding is made more difficult by religious propaganda, which is really all that has been produced in the last several pages of this thread.

since you have stepped on that point, let me ask something.


where is the book of islamic law. talking about Shariah law right? i would like to see the book of Shariah law and i am a muslim

I think you missed his point. He's asking YOU to justify how Muslims believe it is OK for them to take justice and punishment into their own hands, such as cutting off body parts and stoning women to death, and beheading people for violations of Islamic law which they may not even agree to be governed by on account of not being Muslim.