Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 63. (Read 221004 times)

All religion was created by man to control other men.

They are nothing more than a business selling snake oil, ever wonder why those at the top of the religious pile live like kings while the minions live in squaller?

The Catholic church alone is worth several billion, why not practice what they preach, liquidate those assets and take care of the poor.

As the old saying goes if the bible is proof of god then the comic book is proof of super heros.


I wonder what would happen if a time machine was invented and the owner offered each religious leader the opportunity to go back in time to the exact time place their chosen god/son of god was roaming around to once and for all prove or disprove their religion.  How many would have the unwavering confidence to take that opportunity.

The sooner all religion is kicked to the curb the quicker mankind can move up a step in the evolutionary ladder, and before someone spurts out the moral compass crap I would like to point out I know the difference between right and wrong unlike every religious group on the planet that has been responsible for multiple attrocities throughout history and present day.

Many of the practices of the past produced good results. Modern science would be okay if it didn't turn the focus away from god, and direct the focus towards making money, and hide the fact that it is doing so.

lol agree, next time you or a family member falls seriously ill dont go running to a doctor or hospital with all the latest "Modern science" equipment just drop to your knees and get god to sort it out 

You are on a bitcoin forum, using a computer and using the biggest network that has ever been made. All are results of science. I understand you love the bible as much as I do, but it doesn't mean science is a step backward.

What do I think about it?

Aside from it being wrong all the way down the line, it's totally ridiculous.

i don't hate islam, but in my country islam dominate the minority

People say a lot of things.

God lives forever. Therefore the end of life is not being like God.

Let me say it shorter. Modern science doesn't have life in it. The Bible has life in it. Who needs modern science? Modern science is a step backward, mostly because it doesn't accept the scientific shortcuts that God gives mankind.

The end of life is to be like God, and the soul following God will be like Him.

Socrates

I have offended God and mankind because my work didn't reach the quality it should have.

Leonardo da Vinci

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Albert Einstein

The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.

Nikola Tesla

The whole science is build on these 4 people... what do you think about this?

What you believe doesn't depend on what I think you believe. If you think it does, you are a child. The important thing is what God KNOWS you believe. Further, I based my thinking on things that you had said. Now that you have clarified about yourself, I can think differently about you.


I have done this. But then I stopped doing it, because I found that the Bible is self-explanatory much better than the other books that try to explain it.


Well, I did that above. Why do you want to know what I think? You could have quoted the part where I explained what I think about the Matrix, but you left it out.



Yes. And many of the modern, scientific examples are way behind what the Bible says. So, why continue?

Modern science doesn't conclude that mankind needs a savior... at least not in what it says directly. Yet all the examples of modern science show that a savior is needed. How do they show it? They show it by modern science not being able to extend the lives of people even a little bit. In fact, modern science tends to make warfare which shortens the lives of many. Ever heard of bombs? So, the people of modern science need a savior outside of themselves. Why, therefore, consider modern science on a level with the greatness of the Jesus salvation shown in the Bible?

Let me say it shorter. Modern science doesn't have life in it. The Bible has life in it. Who needs modern science? Modern science is a step backward, mostly because it doesn't accept the scientific shortcuts that God gives mankind.

Does it matter if someone thinks that you believe what you speak or not?

Yes, because you already told me that I didn't accept the Christ salvation, because I don't see the Bible like you did it...

Well, thanks. However, as I pointed out above, the dictionary has the meanings. There are all kinds of Bible dictionaries and the Bible itself. But, thanks for your efforts... I think.

Did you ever try to read some books who are related whit the Bible and by a different examples to try to understand the meaning of the words in the New Testament?

Good movie, right? But there wasn't really anything about the difference between the material world and the spiritual world in it. And even if there was, that wasn't the point of the movie.

Okay, please tell me your point of view about the Matrix... I would love to read it!

The Bible doesn't talk about reaching a higher level of consciousness by believing Jesus, or by believing in Jesus. That is what someone else is trying to suggest that the Bible means.

If higher consciousness is attached to that somehow, great.

Let me say one other thing. Even if a higher level of consciousness, or some form of improved consciousness, is what Jesus salvation is all about, since the Bible doesn't say it that way, it is unnecessary to consider it that way.

You see, that is the main problem for all those who already read the Bible. Why don't try do see and think of the words that are written in the New Testament with a мodern scientific examples. Did you ever try that?

Right. Some people hate themselves because they have a self-religion of hate of religion.

 

It's not specifically Islam, some people hate all religions, some people hate only other religions, some people don't care about religions at all. The problem is if government decides to manage whole country by religious views people don't like this treatment. We should fight with these politicians.

Well, not really arguing. Mostly agreeing. Just saying it in different ways so that we think that we are arguing.

 

Okay, that's great.  Two moldly old book freaks arguing.

The bolded areas that PrikiNo.1 has in his post come from a different post of mine. Rather than using the "Quote" button to quote me, he simply copies, pastes and bolds pieces of my post into his post. I don't know why, but that is his way, I guess.

So why did those must old so called "holy books" not need to bold key sentences?

Granted, the following definition is very basic. None of it says anything about Christ meaning "I am the Light." Basically further, "Christ" simply means "Messiah" which means "Savior." From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/christ?s=t:Does it matter if someone thinks that you believe what you speak or not?


Well, thanks. However, as I pointed out above, the dictionary has the meanings. There are all kinds of Bible dictionaries and the Bible itself. But, thanks for your efforts... I think.


Okay.


Good movie, right? But there wasn't really anything about the difference between the material world and the spiritual world in it. And even if there was, that wasn't the point of the movie.


If you mean love when you say "embrace," that is definitely part of what Jesus was teaching.



I don't think that it is a requirement for you to repeat yourself. However, if you feel you must, go right ahead.

The Bible doesn't talk about reaching a higher level of consciousness by believing Jesus, or by believing in Jesus. That is what someone else is trying to suggest that the Bible means.

I am not saying that something like improved consciousness won't happen for those who believe in Jesus and His salvation work for them. All I am saying is that the Bible doesn't talk about it that way, and improved consciousness is not the important thing even if it does happen. Faith in Jesus for salvation is the important thing. If higher consciousness is attached to that somehow, great. The important thing is salvation.

Let me say one other thing. Even if a higher level of consciousness, or some form of improved consciousness, is what Jesus salvation is all about, since the Bible doesn't say it that way, it is unnecessary to consider it that way.

There are a lot of people who speak about the light without talking about Christ. You have asked me two questions here. Yet you have not said that you accept Jesus salvation as the Bible states it. You keep on wanting teasing me with questions while not making a statement.

Besides, the admonition was really rhetorical, anyway, regarding you personally.

I am the Light and Christ is the same meaning mate! Sometimes I mix my words and maybe that's why people think that I don't accept the same thing that I speak, but don't worry I am able to solve that problem when someone ask me. All I am trying to tell you is the meaning behind the words of Christ and his Apostles!

What is a level of consciousness? Why would one want to be more conscious that he is when he is conscious? If there is something in the idea of being conscious that you like, then go for it.

Why not? Well, I definitely suggest you to watch the Matrix and try to find the difference between the material and the spiritual world. Christ was trying to teach is in His words, that we need to stop loving this world and embrace each other!

One does not need a special level of consciousness to believe in Jesus salvation.

Oh my God... Did I must repeat my self again? - Jesus Christ was that High level of consciousness, His words, acts, and miracles. He was telling us that we able to that only if we believe in HIM!

Right in this thread at:

Thank you for extending the explanation of your dogma regarding your religion of non-religion.


Now you who don't want to believe that there is an all powerful Deity are trying to dictate what such a Deity would be like? How silly!

Even if God were not all powerful, He is so far beyond anything that we can imagine, that there is no way to limit Him by our tiny logic. I mean, do you have the understanding of how He rolled out the heavens? Do you have any clue whatsoever about how He made cause and effect to operate for thousands of years so that it produces the intelligence of people today? Come on! Give yourself a break!


Rather, it is people like you who are attempting to hide the existence of God.

Look, again, at the proof for God listed above, and if it isn't quite enough proof for you, it is such strong evidence that it outweighs all the evidence that God doesn't exist, a million+ times over.


However, in light of the fact that today many people want to believe that a supremely evident God doesn't exist, people have only gotten worse regarding how dismal they are in their understanding of the universe.


Disbelief is simply the other side of believing that there is not. They are essentially the same at their root and core.


Quite the contrary. The Bible is not at all contradictory.


The Bible does not command murder. The Bible is a record. At times within that record, it will be found that the government (ancient Israel) was commanded, by God, to execute peoples and nations for doing evil. That is one of the jobs of governments. They exist to at times execute those who deserve to die, just to keep the peace.


Christian people are people. Just because they are Christian, doesn't mean that they are suddenly perfect. It means that they are blessed with the knowledge of salvation to everlasting life... even though we (the Christians) must go through death in this life to gain eternal life in the resurrection.

If you look at the known history of the world, you will find many non-Christian peoples and nations that were far worse than Christians. Consider Genghis Khan, for example. And think of Stalin who wasn't a Christian, and he killed at least 30 million, and maybe 3 times that number.

God is not the author of wickedness or evil. People are, by following the devil, Satan.



The difference is, there are no Christian directives from God for violence. The directives in the New Testament (from whence Christianity flows) are literally peace for all people. Yet the Islamic directives for violence in the Islamic writings are many. Islam is of its false god, Satan. Christianity is of God over all.

You are badly mistaken. However, if you will change your understanding to the truth, God is willing to forgive even you for your struggling against Him.

Interesting. You know that's a refutation of Brian's assertion they "used to be very similar until the 19th century."

Similar vast gaps in the cultures have been noted historically.