Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 64. (Read 221077 times)

Bryant; the worse genocide wasn't Catholic but Protestant. Not the worse in absolute number but in effect.
Somehow facts don't add up with how history is being told, as it is write by victorious and the current ones are English and their descendants.
You hear a lot about inquisition and its effect on the Central and South Americas, how they were "genocided", however the population of those places are, except for Brazil and Argentina, mostly natives, descendants of those who were there before any European.
Things turn a bit different at Canada, USA and even Australia, where most of the population is occupation-descendant.

Islam and Christianity are very similar. At least they used to be very similar until the 19th century. The Catholic conquest of the Americas resulted in at least 250 million deaths in the 16th century. Till now, this remains as the worst genocide ever perpetrated in the human history. And no one has ever apologized for these deaths.

AH....NO.  The Jihad death count is not strictly ISIS, but includes all the various splinter groups of Muslims justifying terrorist violence one way or another.  It's not true today, and it was not true 1, 2, 5 or 10 years ago that "What we need to fight is ISIS."

These guys change the names of their little groups as often as you blink your eyes.  Anyway, don't lecture me about open minds and what we need to fight.  All I did was bring FACTS to the table.

More damn Muslim violence in two months than 140 years of Christian Inquisition.

And that does NOT COUNT the "legal deaths" such as the stonings of adulterers or the killings of apostates.

So where do you want to go with this argument?

This is a generalization. Things like this have been happening over and over for thousands of years. But there are differences today.

Never has there been such a great world population in the past... at least that we know of.

Never has there been such wide spread communication and transportation, worldwide... at least that we know of.

Time marches on. Just as there was a Beginning, there will be an End. Nobody knows when his or her end will come. In the same way, nobody knows when the End of everything will come. One thing we DO know... we are getting closer to the End with every passing moment.

And before ISIS was al-Qaeda and after ISIS something alike will come up... Then you talk of propaganda!

First of all, lets remove the generalisations here. The thoughts of individual people do not equate to the beliefs of entire religions and the problem  is You will get some bad apples from either religion, but its not a contest. If you are seeing it as a contest of "which religion is nicer" then you would be severely misguided.

Remember, it is not Christians or buddhism or catholic vs Muslims.
what we need is fight isis . Keep an open mind.

Bah.

Let's look at the facts.  How many were killed in the Inquisition?

http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_died_from_the_Inquisition

the Spanish Inquisition, assuredly the most vigorous and corrupt of the various inquisitorial bodies that existed in Europe, held 49,000 trials between 1560-1700 and executed between 3 and 5,000 people.

That's in a hundred and forty years.

How many are being killed in violent Jihad by Islamic Terrorists today?

www.thereligionofpeace.com

Jihad Report  November, 2015
 Jihad Attacks:    169
 Countries:    30
 Allah Akbars:    34
 Dead Bodies:    1455
 Critically Injured:1706

Does any Muslim wish to compare FACTS about the Inquisition with FACTS about violent Islam?
Two months of Jihad, matches the toll in death of a hundred and forty years of the very worst of Christianity's oppressive eras.

The Crusades were a reaction to Muslim invasions and stopped more than 7 centuries ago!
The Inquisition is a Catholic version of Sharia.

So cut out those arguments! Basically you're condemning "Catholic modules" which are built-in in Islam.

The crusades are long gone. Islam is here.

Islam should be hated because it is driving Muslims to Hell.


There is no Islamic condemnation for Muslim terrorists. The reason is because they are following their Islamic religion better than the peaceful Muslims. Peaceful Muslims who condemn Muslim terrorists are not following their religion very well, simply because they are peaceful. When they condemn Muslim terrorists, it is weak Islam trying to condemn fatihful strong Islam.

Very few people want to condemn peaceful Muslims. And they don't want to have to condemn Muslim terrorists. But people need protection from Islam. And it is the peaceful Muslims who need it the most, because the Muslims terrorists are against the peaceful Muslims for not obeying Islam by becoming terrorists.



That's why it is a good idea to get rid of Islam, so that Muslims who want to obey a peaceful religion won't have to become terrorists to obey.

It's media's power and most of the time manipulates these information, mostly people hate terrorist but they think that all muslims are the same which is wrong.

There are a lot of people who speak about the light without talking about Christ. You have asked me two questions here. Yet you have not said that you accept Jesus salvation as the Bible states it. You keep on wanting teasing me with questions while not making a statement.

Besides, the admonition was really rhetorical, anyway, regarding you personally.


What is a level of consciousness? Why would one want to be more conscious that he is when he is conscious? If there is something in the idea of being conscious that you like, then go for it.



One does not need a special level of consciousness to believe in Jesus salvation. Remember that Jesus said that unless we become like little children (who believe in Him), we will not make it to Heaven. If you want to see the Jesus light, you need to become like a little child who believes in Jesus.

I don't think most hate islam per say but your guys' extremest are definitely fucking shit up for your religion.
The Christians are pretty fast to forget about the crusades and I think this is basically the same idea ISIS has going on at the moment.

I don't believe in condemning many for the actions of few, But sadly most human aren't as understanding as I am.

Mindless hate is human nature.. and only through education will be be able to fight this and further ourselves as a species.

Isn't the terrorists who claim to be Muslims, are the Islamic books which are made by a terrorist and mainly supports it...

people hate islam,because some terorist claim that they are muslim. so if terrorist claim that they are cristian/budhist or other religion,people will hate that religion? i dont think it make sense,its a just trick from people hate islam,and they use this way to make islam name on pain.

You are free. You are not forced to believe in Jesus salvation. But, it will be good for you if you do believe.

Get Jesus salvation however you can. The only clear way is through the Bible.

Mate, do you think that I am not accept Christ? Then tell me why I speak about the Holly Spirit or the Light?

The only way if we want to reach to that level of consciousness is by accepting Christ as our savior! Every word who came up from His mouths was about the Light, every word that Apostles preach us was about the Holly Spirit. Sometimes, Paul admitted that even he doesn't understand the words, because it is not he who is talking, but the Holly Spirit.

We are still humans and we are far away of this level on consciousness, but I am sure that there will come a time where we will all be transformed and discover the power of the the Light!

It would be unethical to nuke the entire middle east into glass, but we should still do it, because we can.

Hey, you don't get to pick and choose.  If it says camels, and you are a True Muslim, you must pay in camels.

Spendulus, on geo-specific behavior, Islam demands some compensations to be paid in camels... Would be hard to get them from the zoo around here!   

Another possibility is that Islam does not adapt to changing times, and dies out.  99% of all religions that have ever sprung to life have died.

This is particularly noted around religions which have geographical locations of primary importance.

Islam does this, Christianity does not.

As a layman, I'm pretty well informed, and have not seen this so-called proof. I've seen a lot of bunk science from "young earth creationists". So, gimme links. As always, I'm willing to consider other points of view.

However, what I was getting at, very specifically, is that you used the modern definition of atheist (which I accept) to make an argument and refute it. That argument was predicated on NOT ACKNOWLEDGING that part of that definition is a simple disbelief, not a dogmatic "there is no god". I work from the "the proofs are insufficient for such a bold claim" ideation. One cannot disprove a negative.

I will state, AGAIN, that if there IS an all powerful deity, it doesn't care to be worshipped. This, too, is based on logic. If there is an all powerful deity, and it wishes to be worshipped, there could only possibly be ONE religion. Because if the deity is all powerful, it can EASILY make it's wishes known, and if it wishes to be worshipped, it would do so. The fact that there in existence literally thousands of ideations of "gods" proves beyond any reasonable doubt that they are all false.

This of course does not directly address the question of whether or not there are gods. Because if there are, they are hiding their existence, and have structured the universe in such a way that it CAN BE understood based solely on observed phenomena, and those observed phenomena generally have a less fantastical explanation than "god did it".

The understanding of the physical universe at the times of the writings of the various "holy books" was, to put it politely, dismal. That they got a few things right with almost no rigor is nothing short of amazing, but it does not make the overall paradigm work. Most of it does not. For instance, most "learned" men at the time of the writings of the New Testament still believed the earth to be held up by four pillars on the back of a turtle, and that the stars were holes in something called the "firmament". Better understanding via observation and testing (the beginnings of what has been formalized as the scientific method) proved beyond any doubt that this widely held ideation was just plain wrong. With every advance in scientific knowledge, the "god did it" argument got pushed further into the background until there was only a small amount of gaps. Which the religious seize on like a drowning man will grab a stick.

disbelief is NOT a system of belief. Skepticism, however, is. I am a skeptic. On damn near everything. I hold to Mark Twain's observation that Faith is the belief in what you know ain't so.

When it comes to Christianity, it is so self contradictory within it's own books, leaving alone the sects, that it cannot possibly be inspired by an all powerful deity. Unless, of course, that deity is completely mad. I suppose that's possible, but hardly cause for admiration or worship. You cannot, for instance, simultaneously condemn and command murder. Yet the bible does so, and that's peripheral. The PRIMARY DOCTRINE of christianity is that it's perfectly legit to kill an innocent man to "atone" for the crimes of the guilty. Try that one in a courtroom some day.

Further, within the Christian scriptures it says that churches and places of worship are vain, as god cannot be seen or heard in such places. Rather, and this one isn't a paraphrase, "The Kingdom of God is within you". Yet a very pious group of men who made that connection were hunted down, forced into a mountain retreat, besiged, and killed at Montsegur in 1284 by other very pious men. Both sides were utterly convinced that they were right. This is the sort of crap that strong religious belief breeds. Divisions that need not exist, and in many cases throughout history have led to bloodshed on a massive scale. That Islam is now convulsing in the same way is not surprising. Organized religion, regardless of it's pantheon, is based upon control of the masses. It will fight for that control at ANY cost, conceding only when not doing so would utterly destroy the organization. Christianity reached that point about 150 years ago. If the timeline remains similar, that means Islam has about 550 years before they stop believing it ok to kill for the faith. Given modern communication, I suspect it won't take that long.