Topic: Why do people hate islam? - page 75. (Read 221036 times)

And verse versa for jews and christians, ever seen paid campaigns in the arabic world? it's on Google, FB and everywhere that have adsense or ads, that only seem to be natural for anyone to will for people to unite the same as his beliefes, thinking that it will turn the world better, judging by the many versions of the bible and other books, quran seems to be the only book unchanged, also the only to have united all relegions, seems just right to me, but of course I respect your beliefs as well.
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You got it - but the context of the question was whether "Islam was a perfect belief system, or a flawed belief system."  I said flawed, unless the peaceful and violent methods worked hand in hand toward the same goal.

And if you agree with me that that is so, then all those who claim here that "Islam is peace" would not be truthful.

A common central goal of expanding the number of people and the number of countries with a significant Muslim presence, with higher levels of kowtowing to Muslim beliefs, with the end goal of world domination, should not be ruled out.

Both peaceful and barbaric methods do seem to be operating in this fashion.
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And verse versa for jews and christians, ever seen paid campaigns in the arabic world? it's on Google, FB and everywhere that have adsense or ads, that only seem to be natural for anyone to will for people to unite the same as his beliefes, thinking that it will turn the world better, judging by the many versions of the bible and other books, quran seems to be the only book unchanged, also the only to have united all relegions, seems just right to me, but of course I respect your beliefs as well.

Islam isn't the problem, it is a peaceful religion. The problem is with the people that warp its words and then go around killing people in it's name.

Any idea what that common central goal is?
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A common central goal of expanding the number of people and the number of countries with a significant Muslim presence, with higher levels of kowtowing to Muslim beliefs, with the end goal of world domination, should not be ruled out.

Both peaceful and barbaric methods do seem to be operating in this fashion.

Well, whatever this thread leads to, it shouldn't be hate, but if someone hate islam, he can do it, islam awaits no love from no one, nor need it, as you have your religion muslims does, and non is an angel, not christians or muslims, as humans we all have the good and the bad, and if you see bad muslims in focus more than good ones, than please look at your bad people from other religions.

Maybe getting involved with muslims and bombing them and killing millions of innocents was the cause of creating this "reaction" that is called terrorism, or maybe those muslims who died are animals to you?

Whatever you think, god, allah and all names lead to the same god, is there and watching and whatever you think and whatever dept anyone have muslim christian or whatsoever will pay it.

On this forums we are civilians, non of us like to see death, it hurts the most to see someone innocent dies no matter what religion, but please have respect to Muslims and know for sure that people are not alike, that guy who is like "Fuck you", they got your ip, you are next.. that was a joke. XD

if I said anything wrong please tell me, god, allah bless you all.

I understand your point of view, but to me it simply indicates that Islam is a flawed belief system.  Note, believers think it is a "perfect" system, but then their vision of Perfect varies wildly between sects.  That is why I view it as algorithmically flawed, unless the various interpretations gravitate somehow toward a common central goal.
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Any idea what that common central goal is?

I understand your point of view, but to me it simply indicates that Islam is a flawed belief system.  Note, believers think it is a "perfect" system, but then their vision of Perfect varies wildly between sects.  That is why I view it as algorithmically flawed, unless the various interpretations gravitate somehow toward a common central goal.

I don't know what did you read in your history with all respect, but if what you say is true, you got your revenge back in WWII and even worst, everything happened past that point is in debt, guess what? they yet still did't revenge, so you better believe that true islam forbid revenge, and feel lucky about it.

Yes, study the history. Islam didn't gain control of roughly 1/3 of the world by using pretty words and giving away flowers. Islam has been violently resisting "unbelievers" since its founding, and very successfully.

Study the history of what people did to muslims, invasion, stealing land resources, killing millions of children at the rate of thousands per day, manipulating and creating wars for personal benefits and joy, but still muslims didn't really revenge or do anything, what you see today the bombing and everything is a different story, this is no conspiracy theory.

check this out:

http://www.sott.net/article/273517-Study-US-regime-has-killed-20-30-million-people-since-World-War-Two

but I guess it doesn't matter how many muslims "other" people kills, all matters is the cost, since it's not your family or country, people need to really ditch governments, because government are the problem worldwide, not the people.

Vietnam, whole Arab world that was in piece before the propaganda of the "others", when a muslim die it's a causality, go check wikileaks for how many causalities, 300 killed in a factory, they was hiding as a shelter, they was no army, they was just women children and old people that didn't hurt anyone.

Imagine your self in your room, sleeping in piece and you wake up without sound in your ears, because a rocket hits your house, and you find your mom arms near you came from the other room, cut of course, try to put your self in people shoes before you judge.

3 guys blow them self up and suddenly everyone hates islam, whole army bomb a town and wipe 3000 persons and it's normal lol, go get a life.

There may be serious dedicated fighters who believe they are Muslim, but they are not true Muslims -- they are not following Mohammed's example. The Jihadists are following Mohammed's example by trying to strike terror into the hearts of unbelievers. Most Muslims, like most Christians, are just average people who know almost nothing about their religion.

Ditto ^^.

That's all there is then.

By snipping the remainder of your assertions I mean no disrespect.  I and others would simply argue and discuss the merits of the issues and persuade those who are stuck in 7th century thought patterns otherwise.  This is possible, we will all agree.

No, you are not wrong about that.

Here is the little crux that the terrorists are wrong in. It is the thing around which the peace and violence of Islam hangs. It is the mistake that the terrorists are making, and becomes the mistake that the non-terrorists, the peaceful Muslims, also make. In a word it is...

TIME.

Here is what I mean.

When Islam exists among peoples of other religions WHO ARE PEACEFUL, Muslims are REQUIRED to work peacefully with the other peoples for a reasonable period of ...TIME... to attempt to get these other people to convert to Islam. The amount of ...TIME... is not set, is never the same, depends on all kinds of conditions and circumstances, and is to be enacted by Muslims in humility towards all others. The problem with the terrorists is that they are pushing things way too fast to convert anyone to Islam.

The problem with the peaceful Muslims is, they want the period of peace to go on forever, not recognizing that there is a limit to the amount of ...TIME... that they are to put up with the insults of others peacefully.

The terrorists are way too fast in their violence, falling out of Islam somewhat, by not giving peaceful peoples the time to adapt. The peaceful Muslims are way too slow, almost forgetting their religion at times, because they haven't picked up the violence required by Islam when the other peoples adamantly will not become Muslims.

If the people of Islam want to spread their religion among the peaceful peoples of the world, they need to remember both parts, that there is to be a ...TIME... of peaceful mission work done, and when that ...TIME... is ended, they are to violently kill off the infidels. Get into the spirit of Islam, not just into a bunch of words.

Meaning all the problems with people hating Islam stem from Islam.

Duhh....


I cannot get to your viewpoint because I know that if I was fighting against ISIS or any of the extremist Muslims, there would be serious, dedicated Muslim fighters alongside me.

Or am I wrong about that?

And this has been true since the founding of the religion, when Mohammed and his followers destroyed the other religions in Mecca. It's well past time people educate themselves about Islam. The Western leaders who've spent the past 15 years repeating this "Great Religion of Peace" lie need to be shamed and silenced. History needs to remember them (including Bush, Obama, and most European leaders) the way it remembers Chamberlain after his Munich deal with Hitler.

Maybe it's time to kick Muslims out of the West. And I don't mean vote for people who say they'll do it. I mean just do it. Maybe it should be as dangerous to be a Muslim or Muslim-apologist in the West as it is to be a ex-Muslim in the Islamic World.

I never thought I "hated" Islam. I've spent some time since yesterday reevaluating.

I hate Islam. If you're Muslim, I hate you. I think you are either evil or ignorant or both. If you're ignorant of your religion, learn about it -- learn about it's dangerous bloody history -- and then try to find a safe way to leave it. If you do know about Islam and continue to believe in it, fuck you. You're a fucking Nazi and I hope you suffer the same fate the Nazis did. Seriously, fuck you.

the main hatred of islam stems from the fact that it doesn't play well with other religions. and because people generalize it based on the radicals terrorists

This is very sad and I understand your point of view.  We've seen it before by many Muslims. 

However, "radical Islam" is a subset of Islam.  It doesn't go away by wishing it to go away.

Because there are people who calls themselves muslims that kill innocent people and rapes etc.
Other people think Islam makes them do these kind of things so they prefer to hate Islam.
Actually bad people are everywhere.

After today, do we really need to ask why?