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November 11, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
People hate Islam as in all most all terrorists attacks Islamic Countries were involved and people have start believing that Islam is only responsible for terrorism in the world. So nobody will love those people who believes in killing innocent people

Even Islamites hate Islam. It is Muslim hate of Islam that drives them into such a murderous fury so that they go out and wantonly kill, totally against the love that God has placed into their hearts. They are simply caught in contradictions that are finally driving them mad.

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we dont hate muslims it is they have a misguided religon that is false we dont hate muslims but the religon that has misled them i know and like alot of muslims.
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legendary
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November 11, 2015, 10:09:16 AM

The part that is backward is that without hate there is no love. Not only would there be love without hate, but it would be pure love... a kind of love that would cause extremely great benefit for mankind.

Perhaps a little salt of hate in the love might bring out the flavor of love a whole lot stronger. But, since nobody knows what love would be like without hate, perhaps it would be the opposite. Perhaps love without hate throughout the whole world would even make salt to not improve flavors. Perhaps without hate, even the flavors of food would always be at top notch without the addition of salt, if there were no hate in the world at all.

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Love the metaphore although salt is like sugar: addictive and that's why we use it.

But that's like the ingredients telling the chef how to cook a meal.

If the world's a dish, be the chef, not the ingredient but I think we agree on this.

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November 11, 2015, 09:35:08 AM
Without hate there is no love: duality of mankind.

As long as mankind as a whole doesn't understand this we will never enable higher dimensions of understanding and we will never learn to fly spaceships.

such a pity.

This is backward thinking. We have lived with hate so long, that we don't even see the rut we are in.

It is the hate that is keeping us apart. It is the hate that is destroying advancements that are made. Hate kills off people who would increase knowledge and science.

Could we live without hate, but only love? If we only had love, and if there was a desire to explore space, we would have helped each other towards that goal, and accomplished it long ago.

Imagine, if we only had love - even if we couldn't appreciate it as much as we do because we have experienced hate - we would long ago have terra formed multitudes of planets, and developed faster than light drives that would have taken us to the farthest galaxies. We have failed, all because of hate.

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I apreciate your reply and don't understand why you would label mine as backwards when from your replies second phrase clearly comes that you agree with me: as soon as man learns to overcome this duality a new dawn arrives where we terraform and do all kinds of greatness. First leaving duality, than eternal bliss.


The part that is backward is that without hate there is no love. Not only would there be love without hate, but it would be pure love... a kind of love that would cause extremely great benefit for mankind.

Perhaps a little salt of hate in the love might bring out the flavor of love a whole lot stronger. But, since nobody knows what love would be like without hate, perhaps it would be the opposite. Perhaps love without hate throughout the whole world would even make salt to not improve flavors. Perhaps without hate, even the flavors of food would always be at top notch without the addition of salt, if there were no hate in the world at all.

Smiley
RJX
legendary
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November 11, 2015, 09:01:45 AM
Without hate there is no love: duality of mankind.

As long as mankind as a whole doesn't understand this we will never enable higher dimensions of understanding and we will never learn to fly spaceships.

such a pity.

This is backward thinking. We have lived with hate so long, that we don't even see the rut we are in.

It is the hate that is keeping us apart. It is the hate that is destroying advancements that are made. Hate kills off people who would increase knowledge and science.

Could we live without hate, but only love? If we only had love, and if there was a desire to explore space, we would have helped each other towards that goal, and accomplished it long ago.

Imagine, if we only had love - even if we couldn't appreciate it as much as we do because we have experienced hate - we would long ago have terra formed multitudes of planets, and developed faster than light drives that would have taken us to the farthest galaxies. We have failed, all because of hate.

Smiley

I apreciate your reply and don't understand why you would label mine as backwards when from your replies second phrase clearly comes that you agree with me: as soon as man learns to overcome this duality a new dawn arrives where we terraform and do all kinds of greatness. First leaving duality, than eternal bliss.








legendary
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November 11, 2015, 08:28:05 AM
Without hate there is no love: duality of mankind.

As long as mankind as a whole doesn't understand this we will never enable higher dimensions of understanding and we will never learn to fly spaceships.

such a pity.

This is backward thinking. We have lived with hate so long, that we don't even see the rut we are in.

It is the hate that is keeping us apart. It is the hate that is destroying advancements that are made. Hate kills off people who would increase knowledge and science.

Could we live without hate, but only love? If we only had love, and if there was a desire to explore space, we would have helped each other towards that goal, and accomplished it long ago.

Imagine, if we only had love - even if we couldn't appreciate it as much as we do because we have experienced hate - we would long ago have terra formed multitudes of planets, and developed faster than light drives that would have taken us to the farthest galaxies. We have failed, all because of hate.

Smiley
RJX
legendary
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November 11, 2015, 07:50:24 AM
Without hate there is no love: duality of mankind.

As long as mankind as a whole doesn't understand this we will never enable higher dimensions of understanding and we will never learn to fly spaceships.

such a pity.
legendary
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November 11, 2015, 06:32:33 AM
People hate Islam as in all most all terrorists attacks Islamic Countries were involved and people have start believing that Islam is only responsible for terrorism in the world. So nobody will love those people who believes in killing innocent people

Even Islamites hate Islam. It is Muslim hate of Islam that drives them into such a murderous fury so that they go out and wantonly kill, totally against the love that God has placed into their hearts. They are simply caught in contradictions that are finally driving them mad.

Smiley
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November 11, 2015, 02:15:44 AM
People hate Islam as in all most all terrorists attacks Islamic Countries were involved and people have start believing that Islam is only responsible for terrorism in the world. So nobody will love those people who believes in killing innocent people
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September 25, 2015, 02:00:57 PM



Student Ripping up the Koran Bible - Muslim Christian Mob enraged






Is it equally insulting and offensive if I have a copy of the Koran on my computer and hit the Delete Key.


Does your computer face mecca? If not that already was offensive...




Curious problem. If the monitor faces Mecca, then you don't. If you face mecca, then the monitor doesn't. If you use a mirror (so both you and the monitor face Mecca), not only do you need to read everything in reverse, but the mirror doesn't face Mecca. What about using optic fibers in some way? Could that be made to work?

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If you read the kuran in a mirror so its words are reversed, does it teach you about Jesus?




Hey! Maybe that's where English came from.    Cheesy
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September 25, 2015, 01:51:43 PM



Student Ripping up the Koran Bible - Muslim Christian Mob enraged






Is it equally insulting and offensive if I have a copy of the Koran on my computer and hit the Delete Key.


Does your computer face mecca? If not that already was offensive...




Curious problem. If the monitor faces Mecca, then you don't. If you face mecca, then the monitor doesn't. If you use a mirror (so both you and the monitor face Mecca), not only do you need to read everything in reverse, but the mirror doesn't face Mecca. What about using optic fibers in some way? Could that be made to work?

Smiley


If you read the kuran in a mirror so its words are reversed, does it teach you about Jesus?


legendary
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September 25, 2015, 01:45:58 PM



Student Ripping up the Koran Bible - Muslim Christian Mob enraged






Is it equally insulting and offensive if I have a copy of the Koran on my computer and hit the Delete Key.


Does your computer face mecca? If not that already was offensive...




Curious problem. If the monitor faces Mecca, then you don't. If you face mecca, then the monitor doesn't. If you use a mirror (so both you and the monitor face Mecca), not only do you need to read everything in reverse, but the mirror doesn't face Mecca. What about using optic fibers in some way? Could that be made to work?

Smiley
legendary
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minds.com/Wilikon
September 25, 2015, 01:24:52 PM



Student Ripping up the Koran Bible - Muslim Christian Mob enraged






Is it equally insulting and offensive if I have a copy of the Koran on my computer and hit the Delete Key.


Does your computer face mecca? If not that already was offensive...


legendary
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September 25, 2015, 01:21:36 PM



Student Ripping up the Koran Bible - Muslim Christian Mob enraged






Is it equally insulting and offensive if I have a copy of the Koran on my computer and hit the Delete Key.
legendary
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September 25, 2015, 12:57:24 PM



Student Ripping up the Koran Bible - Muslim Christian Mob enraged





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Anarchy is not chaos.
September 25, 2015, 11:36:20 AM
As you will Cheesy

We're talking around each other, so I shall bow out for now.
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September 25, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
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September 25, 2015, 10:54:47 AM
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September 25, 2015, 10:13:57 AM
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September 25, 2015, 09:25:33 AM
....Turning my back on religion has quantifiably improved my life in ways that I cannot enumerate without taking up reams of paper or pages of forum space. .....

This is true of me also, but I do worry over the possibility of hot preachers' daughters becoming extinct.
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September 25, 2015, 08:58:09 AM

I'm gonna provide you a link so you understand why your answer is a strawman. But first, I would ask that you re-read the question, and answer it as stated, rather than putting on the Christian lens and ignoring the question.

so, again. If there is a god, it is all powerful, and it wishes to be worshipped, how many religions could their possibly be?

The link following is something I constantly refer to myself. Debate and logic have a specific structure for a reason. Logical fallacies when committed by accident or habit obscure the truth. When committed deliberately, one has to wonder what the true motives of the person committing them are.
http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html


Regarding your link, thanks. But I am not interested in being trained into the limited logic of somebody else. I'll stick to my own limited logic.

If you want REAL logic, fill yourself on the Word of God, the Bible, and there's a good chance you'll wake up.

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I was once a Christian minister, so you are the one who should check your assumptions. I deliberately do not capitalise 'god', as I find the concept to be... English hasn't the words for the depravity.

With every passing hour, we know more and more about the universe we live in. With each new discovery, the Christian paradigm has less place as anything but a reference for morality. And a rather poor one, since it openly advocates the death of billions.
Training in formal logic allows you a wider understanding of the world, not a limiting one. Without a framework to ask the requisite questions, one has to make assumptions based solely on emotion or unquantifiable data, which will always lead to error. It allows you to not assume, for instance, that the person you are debating has no knowledge of your axioms. A good example is this very discussion. You are proceeding from the axiom that god exists, and is active in the lives of believers. I hold no such belief, and therefore am challenging that axiom. In order for a man such as yourself to have any effect on my way of thinking, you must FIRST establish an axiom that we can agree on. Failing in this, further statements cannot be considered axiomatic.

I do not believe in any gods. You believe in three, most likely. (not all of Christendom is trinitarian). If you're not a trinitarian, you believe in still one more god than I do. The words of bronze age zealots without corroboration or evidence fail utterly to sway me, and probably any person who has a grasp of logic and is NOT raised as a theist. Those, like me, who were raised to believe and then spent a decade trying to make it fit reality, we will be almost impossible to sway to mythical thinking. You'd have to PROVE a thing that, by your axioms, is unprovable and should not be questioned. I, on the other hand, operate from the very basic axiom that a thing that cannot withstand scrutiny is false, and it's derivative corollary that a thing that cannot be proven, while worthy of discussion, should be given little weight.

In my pursuit of religion (initially with the goal of proving it true) I have found almost no difference in the basal paradigms of all of them. That these basal paradigms are also the pillars of civil society is undeniable, and could be construed as a plausible asset to religious thinking. Unfortunately, the VERY basic paradigm of all theistic religions is that a particular god or gods exist, and want to be worshipped. Since they all disagree horribly on the nature of that god, and it's name, characteristics, origins and motives, there is no possibility of all of them being true. The reverse, however is quite likely: That none of them are. Since all such religions call for the death of the unbeliever, or, worse, eternal condemnation to endless torture for the sin of using the brain that supposedly was given by the gods, one has to examine the motives of the authors. That's a mixed bag, but the basal paradigm in all of them was that the leaders of the religions be given ultimate authority over the populace because "god said so" and that is not to be questioned. This meme has been outlandishly successful, allowing kings and other brigands to lead thousands to their deaths on the field of battle. It has been said that more men have died in the name of god than from any other cause. It's not true, but it's not far from it. At root, all wars are economic, but without some emotional cause to rally the masses, they won't occur. That religion is such an easy one to push into our (still primitive) emotional mind is a very serious argument AGAINST the utility of extant relgions if the goal is to make better human beings. Another of those oft repeated but false memes is that there are no atheists in foxholes. Again, it's untrue, but the people saying it are universally religious, and just as universally, are not thinking. If saying that being a paid killer requires relgion is considered to be an asset, then do you really think someone seeking peaceable coexistence would consider your religion meritorious?

I could go on for hours on this. But I simply have better things to do. It was all-consuming for more than ten years of my life. As I approach my 47th birthday, I find that while it still has the power to piss me off, I simply cannot devote the time and resources to bashing the idiocy of religion that I once could. In my own life, suffice it to say that becoming an atheist, while difficult due to the systematic brainwashing inherent in being raised religious, has been among the very best decisions I ever made. It has allowed me to pursue things that have actually benefitted me, it has allowed me to understand that being who I am is not egregious in itself, that violent thoughts are not immoral, only violent actions, and really a large number of other assets. Turning my back on religion has quantifiably improved my life in ways that I cannot enumerate without taking up reams of paper or pages of forum space. I no longer wake up feeling I'm cursed because I'm different from those around me. I no longer envy the lives of the clergy, as I got everything I have honestly. If I ever do drive a luxury automobile or live in a grand house, I will have earned it, not guilted a bunch of poor bastards into giving me what they earned for no return. Unlike when I was a Christian, I can face the man in the mirror without him condemning me, unless I've actually done something wrong. I also no longer have to wonder why it's considered ok for people to do horrible things as long as an innocent is punished (another pillar of your religion). I now understand it fully. It's a trick. It always was. When you give your autonomy to another, you give up much MUCH more than you can imagine. While I do not believe in an immortal soul, the concept is useful metaphorically. Mine is not for sale, and the rent is very high. You, and others who believe these things, have given yours away for free, and the only return you will ever get from it if you TRULY believe, is a warm fuzzy feeling as your Clergy, who are atheist to the core, sell you down the river.

I have, by the way, employed several deliberate logical fallacies in the above. For the most part, it conforms to logic. If you can identify them, you will be far more enlightened in your limited view than you were an hour ago. Regardless of your faith.
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