landlords and capital owners can just sit lazily on the sofa waiting for their money to double from other peoples work.
maybe you should start doing some work instead of posting racist comments on here all day.
Topic: Why do people in USA fear socialism so much? - page 13. (Read 34853 times)
landlords and capital owners can just sit lazily on the sofa waiting for their money to double from other peoples work.
maybe you should start doing some work instead of posting racist comments on here all day.
communists are among the many who understand that capitalists are thieves.
landlords and capital owners can just sit lazily on the sofa waiting for their money to double from other peoples work.
maybe you should start doing some work instead of posting racist comments on here all day.
I am just telling the truth about filthy jews.
Few people do that these days. Most just buy the jew babble.
Few people do that these days. Most just buy the jew babble.
landlords and capital owners can just sit lazily on the sofa waiting for their money to double from other peoples work.
maybe you should start doing some work instead of posting racist comments on here all day.landlords and capital owners can just sit lazily on the sofa waiting for their money to double from other peoples work.
maybe you should start doing some work instead of posting racist comments on here all day.
landlords and capital owners can just sit lazily on the sofa waiting for their money to double from other peoples work.
All of this discussion and it comes down to two words: freedom and laziness. You cannot have a utopia without a lot of rules.
Also, people are lazy. If a person can get something for free instead of working for it then he will try to get it for free.
Also, people are lazy. If a person can get something for free instead of working for it then he will try to get it for free.
that is how landowners & landlords make their money.
All of this discussion and it comes down to two words: freedom and laziness. You cannot have a utopia without a lot of rules.
Also, people are lazy. If a person can get something for free instead of working for it then he will try to get it for free.
Also, people are lazy. If a person can get something for free instead of working for it then he will try to get it for free.
that is how landowners & landlords make their money.
But seriously, Unions, mutual aid groups, charities, etc. would all have a place, even in an AnCap society. Not everyone realizes that.
My thoughts exactly. I can't understand how eg. free market healthcare could work properly. Ever. http://www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html
All of this discussion and it comes down to two words: freedom and laziness. You cannot have a utopia without a lot of rules.
Also, people are lazy. If a person can get something for free instead of working for it then he will try to get it for free.
Also, people are lazy. If a person can get something for free instead of working for it then he will try to get it for free.
Polska - Poland (communist at these times)
Hiszpania - Spain (firstly reactionary dictatorship, later democracy)
GDP per cap in 1990 US dollars
Central and Eastern Europe has even better reasons to fear socialism, thank you
Hiszpania - Spain (firstly reactionary dictatorship, later democracy)
GDP per cap in 1990 US dollars
Central and Eastern Europe has even better reasons to fear socialism, thank you
I think socialists should probably stay away from bitcoin if that is the case, namely due to how difficult it is to tax. Especially if people begin trading bitcoin over the tor network.
By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
do you know that some people, actually wants to pay taxes because they supports the system?By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
You said you live in denmark earlier, correct? You know denmark is one of many countries who spends more than it brings in. It is dependent upon borrowing. Should there be a global deep economic recession, that system you support will collapse.
I don't know how likely denmark is to have a balanced budget any time soon, but france, england, the US, and japan are all heavy borrowers (Japan is by far the worst) and when that house of cards comes falling down (this is inevitable by the way, my guess is sometime between 8 and 30 years, and the world will place the blame squarely on whatever political party holds the US white house, even though it is a global problem.) Your social programs will collapse along with it. The reality is, we really can't afford to do these things, taxes or no taxes.
and there are many non-socialistic countries that have a way higher debt/GDP ratio, than Denmark. i think we are doing pretty good.
What number? You gave me a page with a bunch of non-specific numbers. I see this number:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/denmark/government-budget
That and Denmark's debt is 74% of its GDP. That is a pretty high number.
And what are these non-socialistic countries are you talking about? The US is probably one of the biggest offenders as they spend a ton of money on social programs.
I think socialists should probably stay away from bitcoin if that is the case, namely due to how difficult it is to tax. Especially if people begin trading bitcoin over the tor network.
By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
do you know that some people, actually wants to pay taxes because they supports the system?By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
You said you live in denmark earlier, correct? You know denmark is one of many countries who spends more than it brings in. It is dependent upon borrowing. Should there be a global deep economic recession, that system you support will collapse.
I don't know how likely denmark is to have a balanced budget any time soon, but france, england, the US, and japan are all heavy borrowers (Japan is by far the worst) and when that house of cards comes falling down (this is inevitable by the way, my guess is sometime between 8 and 30 years, and the world will place the blame squarely on whatever political party holds the US white house, even though it is a global problem.) Your social programs will collapse along with it. The reality is, we really can't afford to do these things, taxes or no taxes.
and there are many non-socialistic countries that have a way higher debt/GDP ratio, than Denmark. i think we are doing pretty good.
What number? You gave me a page with a bunch of non-specific numbers. I see this number:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/denmark/government-budget
That and Denmark's debt is 74% of its GDP. That is a pretty high number.
And what are these non-socialistic countries are you talking about? The US is probably one of the biggest offenders as they spend a ton of money on social programs.
I get irritated about people arguing about socialism versus capitalism, as if there were two warring camps, one insisting a hammer is the only tool that can be used for anything, and another camp insisting that only a screwdriver should ever be used for any task.
You should see the handle of my screwdriver. 
Maybe buy a hammer, to shape the handle when it wears.
From http://mises.org/document/2716 :
But seriously, Unions, mutual aid groups, charities, etc. would all have a place, even in an AnCap society. Not everyone realizes that.
My thoughts exactly. I can't understand how eg. free market healthcare could work properly. Ever. I think socialists should probably stay away from bitcoin if that is the case, namely due to how difficult it is to tax. Especially if people begin trading bitcoin over the tor network.
By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
do you know that some people, actually wants to pay taxes because they supports the system?By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
You said you live in denmark earlier, correct? You know denmark is one of many countries who spends more than it brings in. It is dependent upon borrowing. Should there be a global deep economic recession, that system you support will collapse.
I don't know how likely denmark is to have a balanced budget any time soon, but france, england, the US, and japan are all heavy borrowers (Japan is by far the worst) and when that house of cards comes falling down (this is inevitable by the way, my guess is sometime between 8 and 30 years, and the world will place the blame squarely on whatever political party holds the US white house, even though it is a global problem.) Your social programs will collapse along with it. The reality is, we really can't afford to do these things, taxes or no taxes.
and there are many non-socialistic countries that have a way higher debt/GDP ratio, than Denmark. i think we are doing pretty good.
"Only" 200 million in the hole each year is only "doing pretty good" when compared to the countries which are pitching over and diving nose-first into debt.
And with tax revenues close to 50% of GDP, you're fucking your economy. Not to mention the VAT... How much is a cup of coffee?
Not that the US is a shining example of fiscal responsibility.... but, damn.
I think socialists should probably stay away from bitcoin if that is the case, namely due to how difficult it is to tax. Especially if people begin trading bitcoin over the tor network.
By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
do you know that some people, actually wants to pay taxes because they supports the system?By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
You said you live in denmark earlier, correct? You know denmark is one of many countries who spends more than it brings in. It is dependent upon borrowing. Should there be a global deep economic recession, that system you support will collapse.
I don't know how likely denmark is to have a balanced budget any time soon, but france, england, the US, and japan are all heavy borrowers (Japan is by far the worst) and when that house of cards comes falling down (this is inevitable by the way, my guess is sometime between 8 and 30 years, and the world will place the blame squarely on whatever political party holds the US white house, even though it is a global problem.) Your social programs will collapse along with it. The reality is, we really can't afford to do these things, taxes or no taxes.
and there are many non-socialistic countries that have a way higher debt/GDP ratio, than Denmark. i think we are doing pretty good.
I think socialists should probably stay away from bitcoin if that is the case, namely due to how difficult it is to tax. Especially if people begin trading bitcoin over the tor network.
By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
do you know that some people, actually wants to pay taxes because they supports the system?By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
You said you live in denmark earlier, correct? You know denmark is one of many countries who spends more than it brings in. It is dependent upon borrowing. Should there be a global deep economic recession, that system you support will collapse.
I don't know how likely denmark is to have a balanced budget any time soon, but france, england, the US, and japan are all heavy borrowers (Japan is by far the worst) and when that house of cards comes falling down (this is inevitable by the way, my guess is sometime between 8 and 30 years, and the world will place the blame squarely on whatever political party holds the US white house, even though it is a global problem.) Your social programs will collapse along with it. The reality is, we really can't afford to do these things, taxes or no taxes.
There are some tasks, like national defense, that pretty much everyone will agree should be handled by the state, because no one person or entity can provide military services effectively.
http://mises.org/document/2716I have considered that, but frankly, am on the Hobbesian side of that issue. Mostly. We may end up in an improved world where Hobbes is wrong, but frankly, we're not there yet.
If your neighbors drew up a document, without your input, stating that everyone in the neighborhood had to pay 1000 dollars every month or be evicted by force, would you consider that contract valid?
Sounds like what happens in any homeowner's association these days. And no, I wouldn't live in such an HOA, because they are a total pain in the ass run by control freaks.
But if I did, am I a millionaire? Am I a billionaire? Is $1,000 completely insignificant to me? In that event, I don't give a shit, and just pay because it's pocket change. And if it does piss me off enough, I buy an interest in the HOA so I control it, or a cartel I'm involved in controls it.
But really, you're describing something like a homeowner's association, one of the most abusive organizations most people live under that is not a government, and I avoid those like the plague. So the answer is no, I don't consider that contract valid.
The example I gave you was akin to a HOA suddenly deciding you were part of their neighborhood, and not giving you any say in the matter. It's also analogous to getting that first property tax bill from the state. It's a "social contract," one you never signed, never agreed to, but they apply to you anyway.
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