that is indeed apparent to many non US citizens.
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Topic: Why do people in USA fear socialism so much? - page 12. (Read 34871 times)
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They fear it because of the propaganda constantly bestowed on them. They confuse socialism with communism.
that is indeed appearant to many non US citizens.
US types are completely brainwashed by their masters.
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Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SocialismYes, it's wikipedia, but I think it's generally accepted.
Government owns the means of production (ie, us). It lets us keep a fraction of the fruits of our labour.
I'm sure there were many slave plantations that were managed well and didn't treat their slaves so bad. Doesn't make it a valid system.
The American system is very socialist. How many people work for the government? Then how many people work indirectly for it through contracting? How many social security and medicare benefits are there? And people try to tell me the Americans aren't socialist?
Most Americans love and want socialism. I believe this is actually true for anywhere because let's face it most people want free stuff (or the perception of free stuff) and they want to be looked after rather than take responsibility for their own lives.
The free market system is what has been shown to generate the wealth, the socialist system just feeds off it and eventually consumes it whole.
The fact that Americans "fear socialism", for the most part is just something they've been ingrained to think, just like virtually the entire rest of the world likes socialism and hates the free market. Neither group have any idea what they are talking about for the most part and it's just coincidence (due to history) that the Americans have this one right. Not because they intellectually know it to be true.
What matters in an economy is that it's managed well, it doesn't really matter what ideology you follow in the long run but you are right MonkeyBear68, for Americans, even though they'll never admit this. It's the propaganda they've been hit over the head with, because they don't have the Soviets to be afraid of now they've imagined a new enemy out of thin air called the Socialist. Obama for instance isn't really a socialist even though the Republicans yell it all the time. In fact I remember watching a clip of the Colbert Report and this guy who was the leader of the actual Socialist party came along and was really annoyed about how people were claiming Obama is a Socialist when he clearly wasn't.
The mainstream parties that most of our countries have are in fact wannabe Imperialist parties but they know if they go around with portfolio's saying they want to conquer the world again they'd get no votes.
For Americans:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Imperialist?s=t
imperialist
Use Imperialist in a sentence
im·pe·ri·al·ism
[im-peer-ee-uh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.
2.
advocacy of imperial or sovereign interests over the interests of the dependent states.
3.
imperial government; rule by an emperor or empress.
4.
an imperial system of government.
5.
British . the policy of so uniting the separate parts of an empire with separate governments as to secure for certain purposes a single state.
The mainstream parties that most of our countries have are in fact wannabe Imperialist parties but they know if they go around with portfolio's saying they want to conquer the world again they'd get no votes.
For Americans:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Imperialist?s=t
imperialist
Use Imperialist in a sentence
im·pe·ri·al·ism
[im-peer-ee-uh-liz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.
2.
advocacy of imperial or sovereign interests over the interests of the dependent states.
3.
imperial government; rule by an emperor or empress.
4.
an imperial system of government.
5.
British . the policy of so uniting the separate parts of an empire with separate governments as to secure for certain purposes a single state.
They fear it because of the propaganda constantly bestowed on them. They confuse socialism with communism. They make all these claims about how socialism causes all these ills yet they fail to consider the facts. They outright lie to support their claims.
In Canada we did not suffer the effects of the 2008 crash to anywhere near the extent that the US did, that is a fact.
In Canada our unemployment rate is lower than the US even though we are much more socialist, that is a fact. If socialism causes laziness then Canada should have more unemployed, not less!!
In Canada we do not have to worry about spending our life savings on a health emergency. Health care is universal and premiums are about $50 a month ($100 a month for family). In Alberta (my province) the provincial government pays the health premiums for everyone, so health care is free. Also the unemployment rate in Alberta is only 4.8%. With free health care, we should have more people sitting around unemployed, not less!!
People in the USA should also consider the fact that if Capitalism is so great and Socialism so bad, then why is it currently the case that they need to hitch a ride with the Russians in order to get up into space??
If you look at all the countries in the world, those with mixed economies seem to be the most successful and have the happiest citizens.
In Canada we did not suffer the effects of the 2008 crash to anywhere near the extent that the US did, that is a fact.
In Canada our unemployment rate is lower than the US even though we are much more socialist, that is a fact. If socialism causes laziness then Canada should have more unemployed, not less!!
In Canada we do not have to worry about spending our life savings on a health emergency. Health care is universal and premiums are about $50 a month ($100 a month for family). In Alberta (my province) the provincial government pays the health premiums for everyone, so health care is free. Also the unemployment rate in Alberta is only 4.8%. With free health care, we should have more people sitting around unemployed, not less!!
People in the USA should also consider the fact that if Capitalism is so great and Socialism so bad, then why is it currently the case that they need to hitch a ride with the Russians in order to get up into space??
If you look at all the countries in the world, those with mixed economies seem to be the most successful and have the happiest citizens.
one of the reasons:
stupidity
stupidity
because bitcoin and not using the government to run totalitarian money system is so socialist... right i got it now. >.>
this is one of the biggest capitalist free trade money programs on the internet. who are you kidding? oh look! it went to 200. are you going to cash out or are you going to share it with everyone?
bs.
usual jew procedure:
summon 4 fucked jews and claim you are meaningful when in fact you are jew scum 'en masse'.
HEY, you mom is calling you to dinner. make sure you hide the hustler and turn out the basement lights. Don't worry, "lots" of 20 yr olds still live in their parents basement. It is not just you being a complete loser. usual jew procedure:
summon 4 fucked jews and claim you are meaningful when in fact you are jew scum 'en masse'.
bs.
usual jew procedure:
summon 4 fucked jews and claim you are meaningful when in fact you are jew scum 'en masse'.
usual jew procedure:
summon 4 fucked jews and claim you are meaningful when in fact you are jew scum 'en masse'.
bs.
usual idiot procedure:
summon 3 fucked sentences and claim you are meaningful when in fact you have no shift key.
At least his haiku writing is better than the other guy's.
bs.
usual jew procedure:
summon 4 fucked jews and claim you are meaningful when in fact you are jew scum 'en masse'.
usual jew procedure:
summon 4 fucked jews and claim you are meaningful when in fact you are jew scum 'en masse'.
bs.
usual idiot procedure:
summon 3 fucked sentences and claim you are meaningful when in fact you have no shift key.
bs.
usual jew procedure:
summon 4 fucked jews and claim you are meaningful when in fact you are jew scum 'en masse'.
usual jew procedure:
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I wish he would find some other board. With all these programmers here cannot someone just make a site for him where a bot just agrees with him and parrots back his ravings?
How are you sure everyone here is human?
Maybe he's an anti-Sembot!
I wish he would find some other board. With all these programmers here cannot someone just make a site for him where a bot just agrees with him and parrots back his ravings?
How are you sure everyone here is human?
Maybe he's an anti-Sembot!
one of the reasons:
stupidity
stupidity
You're right, Socialism is a pretty stupid way to run an economy.
That would explain why he always posts in succession.
one of the reasons:
stupidity
stupidity
You're right, Socialism is a pretty stupid way to run an economy.
That would explain why he always posts in succession.
one of the reasons:
stupidity
stupidity
You're right, Socialism is a pretty stupid way to run an economy.
one of the reasons:
stupidity
stupidity
You're right, Socialism is a pretty stupid way to run an economy.
one of the reasons:
stupidity
stupidity
I think socialists should probably stay away from bitcoin if that is the case, namely due to how difficult it is to tax. Especially if people begin trading bitcoin over the tor network.
By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
do you know that some people, actually wants to pay taxes because they supports the system?By investing in or even mining bitcoins, socialists would be contributing to the decline of socialism. You'd basically see a return to the early days of the US where they relied upon the taxes of sales of certain goods. Services would be unable to be taxed effectively, and income for large corporate entities would be hard to tax (which would be a good thing IMO as corporations as it is don't really pay any taxes - they just push the expense on to the customer.)
You said you live in denmark earlier, correct? You know denmark is one of many countries who spends more than it brings in. It is dependent upon borrowing. Should there be a global deep economic recession, that system you support will collapse.
I don't know how likely denmark is to have a balanced budget any time soon, but france, england, the US, and japan are all heavy borrowers (Japan is by far the worst) and when that house of cards comes falling down (this is inevitable by the way, my guess is sometime between 8 and 30 years, and the world will place the blame squarely on whatever political party holds the US white house, even though it is a global problem.) Your social programs will collapse along with it. The reality is, we really can't afford to do these things, taxes or no taxes.
and there are many non-socialistic countries that have a way higher debt/GDP ratio, than Denmark. i think we are doing pretty good.
What number? You gave me a page with a bunch of non-specific numbers. I see this number:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/denmark/government-budget
That and Denmark's debt is 74% of its GDP. That is a pretty high number.
And what are these non-socialistic countries are you talking about? The US is probably one of the biggest offenders as they spend a ton of money on social programs.
That's still a high number, but I was referring external and public debt. I don't recall the source I was reading for the 74%, but I did find this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt#cite_note-7
External debt for your country is 180% of your GDP. Per capita, each of you owes over 100,000 USD in debt. That's pretty bad.
The only developed country I would say is a model of debt management would be Australia. They actually have a balanced budget, and their debt to GDP is pretty low.
Why do people in USA fear socialism so much?
Because they are trained like a Pavlovian dog to do so.
landlords and capital owners can just sit lazily on the sofa waiting for their money to double from other peoples work.
maybe you should start doing some work instead of posting racist comments on here all day.
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