Topic: Why do people think income tax is ok? - page 18. (Read 17853 times)

You didn't confuse me, but nice try. And why were you asking such a ridiculously stupid question? That's like saying the government is forcing you to not commit murder, yet they are because they'll come and arrest you with guns when you’ve committed the crime of murder. Idiotic proposition.

I was drawing an analogy between your argument and the one I made up above. I'm not actually claiming that rape is voluntary...

Hate to resort to ad-hominems, but please, educate yourself.

Being raped is voluntary. To avoid rape, you either:

a) never leave your house;
b) make sure the rapists don't spot you.

See how ridiculous your argument is now?

It is voluntary. Have you read my above arguments?

I suppose your boss is a slave master, and makes you get up early in the morning and forces you to work for him, right? You don't have a choice, right? You do have a choice. A slave does not.

And if you pay taxes then you are supporting them and making yourself their Bitch. Stop paying their wages then. If you choose to play their game by their rules in their system then you cannot complain because you voluntarily chose to play and can quit the game any time you wish, you just choose not to.

Paying taxes is certainly not voluntary. Just because slaves could run away or kill themselves to not be slaves does not mean that slavery was voluntary.

You are on the wrong side of history choosing force over freedom. Just as slavery was perfectly acceptable and justified lest everyone suffer as a result.

No, I do not want to pay taxes. Under threat of kidnapping I pay my taxes. I do not ask for services, I constantly vote against spending. I no longer live in the US yet I still must follow the US tax code.

Paying taxes is voluntary as I've already explained above. Somebody else in another thread recently explained why this voluntary crowd-funding wont work, and I can't be arsed explaining why, but paying taxes is already 'voluntary crowd-funding' any way. Nobody is forcing you to pay anything, but if they got rid of taxes, there'd be many many people choosing not to pay them and everyone would suffer as result.

And it's not slavery because you're not being forced to work or pay tax, and the fact that you think you are being enslaved by this is offensive to the victims of actual slavery. Get over yourself with this big bad government rhetoric. You're probably just another cheapskate who doesn’t pay or want to pay any taxes yet is fine taking all the services they provide for free.

Crowdfunding is voluntary.


I understand that you probably feel that force is the best solution, you are solidly among the majority in that thought, but it does not have to be that way.

We already do crowdfund; it's called paying taxes.

We already do employment; it's called slavery.

Calm down!

Taxes are the best way we could come up today to "share" the burden of services such as roads, bridges, schools, hospitals, firemen, space exploration, etc.
And it was initially good thinking.

Problem is that it's been extended to "weapons development, extensive spying, government think tanks, government families income source", etc. All this being progressively imposed to tax payers without any easy retaliation.

This time is over soon. Cheer up.

Crowdfund.

In the US the first question is how long it would take the authorities to figure out you haven't been paying taxes. I feel like I hear stories all the time about people getting away with not paying taxes for ages. But then people make a big deal about it usually and draw attention to themselves which forces the authorities' hand.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to confuse you, but you kept answering a question that I wasn't asking.  I was just clarifying a simple, straight-forward question.  I was asking about not paying taxes when a tax obligation has been incurred and the taxer is aware that you have incurred a tax obligation.  Of course you can avoid incurring a tax obligation, or take measures to prevent the taxer from realizing that a tax obligation has been incurred, but that isn't the same as refusing to pay a tax.

You're (trying) to give me examples of where I'm wrong even though you are wrong and are not getting this at all. Not everyone lives in the US so not all police are going to come after you with guns and arrest you for either crimes you have or haven’t committed, but here's a fact: It is not a mandatory requirement nor is anybody forced to pay taxes. So why would any taxes be owed in the first place if it's not mandatory that anybody pays them? No police will come after you if you get yourself into a situation where you don't need to pay taxes. If you get yourself into a situation where you need or should be paying taxes, then yes, you might have a problem, but nobody forced you into either of those situations - You choose that yourself. You can avoid paying any taxes at all in several ways legally and without the threat of force because you owe nothing to anyone, and I've given you examples of how do to do this legally, yet you still don't get it because you're stubbornly operating under this belief that governments are forcing you to pay any taxes at all. If you do not understand this then you do not understand it and there's no point trying to continue your argument. If somebody owes someone money then they owe them money and that person or entity may then use force to get it back, but nobody forced them to loan the money or get into a situation where they owed any money in the first place, and nobody is forcing you or anybody else to get into a situation where you have to pay or owe taxes. You can choose to pay taxes or you can choose not to get into a situation where they are required, so there is no threat of force nor are you being forced to pay them if you do not wish because you owe nothing and have chosen to not pay tax. No crime has been committed so there will be no police with guns coming to arrest you, so you are not forced to pay tax.

tl;dr You don't have to pay tax.

I don't know what usually happens in the USA, but here your bank account would suddenly be empty.
Refusing to pay is probably not the same as tax evasion.

This is what happens when you don't pay tax, in the U.K. in 2014.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539214/Woman-living-TENT-seven-year-row-council-tax-bill-thought-exempt-paying.html

I think all tax are wrong. But what can we do? 

You're (trying) to give me examples of where I'm wrong even though you are wrong and are not getting this at all. Not everyone lives in the US so not all police are going to come after you with guns and arrest you for either crimes you have or haven’t committed, but here's a fact: It is not a mandatory requirement nor is anybody forced to pay taxes. So why would any taxes be owed in the first place if it's not mandatory that anybody pays them? No police will come after you if you get yourself into a situation where you don't need to pay taxes. If you get yourself into a situation where you need or should be paying taxes, then yes, you might have a problem, but nobody forced you into either of those situations - You choose that yourself. You can avoid paying any taxes at all in several ways legally and without the threat of force because you owe nothing to anyone, and I've given you examples of how do to do this legally, yet you still don't get it because you're stubbornly operating under this belief that governments are forcing you to pay any taxes at all. If you do not understand this then you do not understand it and there's no point trying to continue your argument. If somebody owes someone money then they owe them money and that person or entity may then use force to get it back, but nobody forced them to loan the money or get into a situation where they owed any money in the first place, and nobody is forcing you or anybody else to get into a situation where you have to pay or owe taxes. You can choose to pay taxes or you can choose not to get into a situation where they are required, so there is no threat of force nor are you being forced to pay them if you do not wish because you owe nothing and have chosen to not pay tax. No crime has been committed so there will be no police with guns coming to arrest you, so you are not forced to pay tax.

tl;dr You don't have to pay tax.