A latecomer to this thread but other than being in agreement with ONasty on that not everything necessarily has to be decentralized -- I personally like gambling with a trusted entity, someone I trust can do the hard work required to create markets, to settle sports bets fairly (as opposed to objectively as a true smart contract might), even to enjoy some goodwill as I typically do at my favourite sportsbooks. Even to enjoy camaraderie between non-anon freaks.
That all said, a lot of people claim Web3 just the way people claimed decentralised a few years ago.
But they really only mean non-custodial, right OP? Wrapped BTC? Hosted (not distributed nodes) server. Single source developer? Non-diverse oracles for markets?
Aren't those all supposed to be the opposite of Web3 prerequisites? How many 'Web3' projects have all these?
Topic: Why do you still want to play fake web2 casinos? Why we choose web3 casinos - page 4. (Read 1119 times)
June 23, 2023, 05:06:54 PM
June 23, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
People will leave web2.0 for web3 if the advantages are very big but I don't see that happening, web 3 in the gambling/casino space has no difference from Web 2.0, now I even believe that the whole web3.0 idea is nonsense, something that's not fully functioning yet and most importantly, casinos are the last things that need or craves for web 3.0 the most because they don't need it, gamblers are happy with web 2.0 and I am still using web 2.0 crypto wallets and other.
If online casinos needs a better web it would at least introduce something worth switching for, right now, gamblers have no reasons to switch even if a casino is made of web 3.0, it's not needed.
If online casinos needs a better web it would at least introduce something worth switching for, right now, gamblers have no reasons to switch even if a casino is made of web 3.0, it's not needed.
June 23, 2023, 11:32:44 AM
I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.
Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say? He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.
Why would anyone suggest to leave the web 2.0 casino when the web 3.0 casino are not yet fully functional or in a very limited in number.
This can be compared with the centralised and decentralize exchanges where the centralised exchanges have a lot of features but they are access through the username and password while the decentralize exchanges we have control over the funds but they have lot less features.
It may take time that the web 3.0 casinos will get more popularity.
The safety of funds will still be doubted by the users. Hacks reported that its when they connected to a web3 application that their funds started disappearing. The developers could argue their platform is safe and so it's tit for tat but then it's again going to be a reputation building for companies such as casinos. Popularity and Funds assurance, this is where they are going to compete even when funds are in the user's own wallet.
June 23, 2023, 10:29:55 AM
I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.
Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say? He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.
Why would anyone suggest to leave the web 2.0 casino when the web 3.0 casino are not yet fully functional or in a very limited in number.
This can be compared with the centralised and decentralize exchanges where the centralised exchanges have a lot of features but they are access through the username and password while the decentralize exchanges we have control over the funds but they have lot less features.
It may take time that the web 3.0 casinos will get more popularity.
June 23, 2023, 09:30:12 AM
I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.
Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say? He just trying to discourage people to use web2 casino since they see this still gaining despite of web3 slowly gaining fame in industry. But this shifting of likes and trust takes time since those web2 casino already earned some overwhelming fame so even though they are not doing any update regarding to this for now but for sure in future if web3 will became mandatory update provably majority will adopt and those people will remain on the casino where they trust the most and ignore other new one for a while.
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June 23, 2023, 12:30:55 AM
I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.
Well said, Og. Justbet representative trying to point out good things about web3 casinos and bad things about web2 casinos. The interesting part is they claimed that web2 casinos are unfair, and I asked him to back up his claim with any kind of proof or an explanation. But I am sad that I did not hear anything back from them. All I want to say to them is; every platform has its good sides and wrong sides. Don't point out others' problems while you also have some kind of problems. it's better to fix your own problem first and then point problems of others. It's like a dog eats dog situation. You don't have pull down someone to step forward. Better to oil your own machine! What do you say? 
June 23, 2023, 12:22:24 AM
Why would any one want to play on a new "web3" casino that no one knows about when there are already "web2" casinos (by which I guess you mean the centralized crypto casinos?) that has very good reputation, has been doing well, rewarding their users, solving all their issues they face? Why would someone want to risk their funds in something very new? Yeah, the "web3" casinos might be decentralized, but there are still ways were the "decentralization" might be compromised by the developers. And regulatory issues also exists. Gambling in a centralized casino seems more reliable and better to me in terms of support, legal issues and other general stuffs.
June 22, 2023, 11:00:54 PM
I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.
That's true, they believe they have advanced and level up the system to allow you have full responsibility over your fund but on the real sense they have the full custody indirect, but what I've found also that's common to this kind of experience is when a gambler try to make some suspicious moves, they take that and hold against them by freezing thier account which is another attack coming from their own end before the gamblers unleashed theirs first on them once detected.
June 22, 2023, 10:50:55 PM
I feel like if something goes wrong with a “web2” casino, it’s an established process where they are responsible for any lost funds due to hacks or whatever. With a web3 casino I feel like if something goes wrong then they would point to the nature of web3 and say that you wanted to be responsible for your own funds. I’m all for being your own bank, but not every situation calls for it.
June 22, 2023, 10:02:15 PM
So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?
I can understand why the post above you said that because if I'm not mistaken he is the owner of web3 casino so of course he will try to convince that web3 casino is better but in reality it's like CEX and DEX on the exchange, many hate CEX but don't want to move to DEX, many consider casino web2 to be unfair but so far the development of casino web3 has not been able to compete with those that already existed, more than that players will also consider the number of games available at a casino, if it turns out that casino web2 has more games than which is still being developed of course players will stay with web2, and also web3 casinos can still commit fraud if they want, so it fully depends on their initial intentions when starting a business, so the assessment is very subjective. 
June 22, 2023, 08:26:22 PM
Web2 Casino Advantages;
Web2 Casino Disadvantages;
Web3 Casino Advantages;
Web3 Casino Disadvantages;
anything I missed?
I don't really agree with the disadvantages that you provided about web2 casinos, a trusted and reputable web2 casino will never ban their users without a reason nor will one have issues with withdrawals if they complete their KYC successfully. I also don't think that a good casino will steal your money or do anything with it as long as it is in your account and you haven't played and lost it.- More Games
- No technical knowledge needed
- You can print billions of dollars and giveaway
- You can let the influencers win high and advertise it
Web2 Casino Disadvantages;
- Anyone can ban you without reason
- Withdrawal issues
- KYC
- They can use your money(remember FTX)
- They can steal your money
- Not provably fair
Web3 Casino Advantages;
- No KYC
- Instant payouts
- Noone can ban your web3 wallet
- Noone can fool you with fake printed money and fake wins
- Provably fair through blockchain
- You can be the house and earn from casino profit
Web3 Casino Disadvantages;
- Less games
- Needs technical knowledge(using metamask, swap, bridge etc.)
anything I missed?
And, the provably-fair system was first introduced by web2 casinos, so their games are also provably-fair unless the casino is new and not trusted in which case, not the whole web2 casino community is to be blamed because there are also casinos like Stake which you can take as an example.
It is very true, I also believe that casino systems worldwide when it comes to Crypto options, what they trust the most is Provably Fair, even here in the forum it is Widely accepted and I think that if it makes a difference, I absolutely Personally, I think that many casinos that are Web2, or whatever, will always offer the same service, which is Fun, to make people play, that is what a casino is looking for , now that they do improper things is very Rare , however we have I've seen on the forum that there are casinos of casinos that wow do many things just to cheat , and that's the same way they're on file.
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June 13, 2023, 08:44:29 AM
It's just for now many trust those web2 based casino since majority of them already accumulated a good reputation compare to those new which claims about that fhey are web3 based casino. In matter of time this web2 reputable casino will adopt the changes if web3 technology will became more successful. But for now the same with other who stays on web2 reputable I chosento gamble with them since reputation all matters than those words.
This is not the problem here. Justbet is a platform that should focus on developing and improving its website. Instead, they are asking some questions which trigger web2 casinos. They directly accuse web2 casinos, saying those web2 casinos are unfair. I am also surprised that no casino representative has defended it yet. Or maybe did? I did not see any comment from web2 casino representatives. Justbet did not submit any proof of their claims. I have asked some questions in my previous post in this thread. Their casino representative simply choose not to answer while they was expecting answers from forum members. 
June 13, 2023, 08:33:52 AM
So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?
You're right, everyone of them is working towards their own development and none is preferred than the other because they all have were they are best being applicable as preferred by rhe gamblers, now we can see that it has to do with our own personal and individuals preference, both the two have their both applaudable aspect and the other side which is the lapse even though it's minuts, also i think there's more concentration on web 3 these days since it's more advanced than web 2
It's just for now many trust those web2 based casino since majority of them already accumulated a good reputation compare to those new which claims about that fhey are web3 based casino. In matter of time this web2 reputable casino will adopt the changes if web3 technology will became more successful. But for now the same with other who stays on web2 reputable I chosento gamble with them since reputation all matters than those words.
June 13, 2023, 07:20:42 AM
So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?
You're right, everyone of them is working towards their own development and none is preferred than the other because they all have were they are best being applicable as preferred by rhe gamblers, now we can see that it has to do with our own personal and individuals preference, both the two have their both applaudable aspect and the other side which is the lapse even though it's minuts, also i think there's more concentration on web 3 these days since it's more advanced than web 2
June 13, 2023, 06:40:12 AM
I don't really agree with the disadvantages that you provided about web2 casinos, a trusted and reputable web2 casino will never ban their users without a reason nor will one have issues with withdrawals if they complete their KYC successfully. I also don't think that a good casino will steal your money or do anything with it as long as it is in your account and you haven't played and lost it.
And, the provably-fair system was first introduced by web2 casinos, so their games are also provably-fair unless the casino is new and not trusted in which case, not the whole web2 casino community is to be blamed because there are also casinos like Stake which you can take as an example.
How do we confirm that they are provably fair?
June 08, 2023, 12:53:03 PM
Web2 Casino Advantages;
Web2 Casino Disadvantages;
Web3 Casino Advantages;
Web3 Casino Disadvantages;
anything I missed?
I don't really agree with the disadvantages that you provided about web2 casinos, a trusted and reputable web2 casino will never ban their users without a reason nor will one have issues with withdrawals if they complete their KYC successfully. I also don't think that a good casino will steal your money or do anything with it as long as it is in your account and you haven't played and lost it.- More Games
- No technical knowledge needed
- You can print billions of dollars and giveaway
- You can let the influencers win high and advertise it
Web2 Casino Disadvantages;
- Anyone can ban you without reason
- Withdrawal issues
- KYC
- They can use your money(remember FTX)
- They can steal your money
- Not provably fair
Web3 Casino Advantages;
- No KYC
- Instant payouts
- Noone can ban your web3 wallet
- Noone can fool you with fake printed money and fake wins
- Provably fair through blockchain
- You can be the house and earn from casino profit
Web3 Casino Disadvantages;
- Less games
- Needs technical knowledge(using metamask, swap, bridge etc.)
anything I missed?
And, the provably-fair system was first introduced by web2 casinos, so their games are also provably-fair unless the casino is new and not trusted in which case, not the whole web2 casino community is to be blamed because there are also casinos like Stake which you can take as an example.
June 08, 2023, 12:02:20 PM
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Web2 casino sites are still preferred by everyone because there is no need to connect one's personal wallet, which allows everyone to stay within certain gambling limits and protect their funds. KYC on Web2 Casino site is a bit of a hassle for everyone but everyone likes it. Nowadays web3 casino sites are not yet preferred by people so I think web2 sites are the best so far but with the advancement of technology everyone is trying to improve everything in that case considering you can set up your site on web3 because in the market There are huge amounts of web2 casinos out there so there are a lot of competitorsNot your keys not your coin
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June 08, 2023, 10:16:45 AM
So, You are telling us that all web2 casinos are unfair and web3 casinos are fair. Isn't it like a dog eats a dog? You don't have to pull down anyone to climb up. Just improve your platform, and don't put your fingers on another platform. Those things destroy your professionalism. Do you have any proof that web2 casinos are unfair? Let's say a web2 casino admin asks you this question, I am curious what your answer would be. You cannot force others to be the same as you. However, does your casino support the Main Chain of Bitcoin? If yes, How?
Both web2 and web3 casinos can be fair and unfair, but you have to pay attention to the reputation of a casino because reputation never lies. And if the web2 or web3 casino has a good reputation, they will not destroy their hard work but provide even better service. This is what differentiates it from other casinos where a casino's professionalism is well maintained. And what can really beat competition between casinos is how a casino can serve its members well because members only seek the satisfaction of playing gambling and the best service.legendary
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June 08, 2023, 10:02:57 AM
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Web2 casino sites are still preferred by everyone because there is no need to connect one's personal wallet, which allows everyone to stay within certain gambling limits and protect their funds. KYC on Web2 Casino site is a bit of a hassle for everyone but everyone likes it. Nowadays web3 casino sites are not yet preferred by people so I think web2 sites are the best so far but with the advancement of technology everyone is trying to improve everything in that case considering you can set up your site on web3 because in the market There are huge amounts of web2 casinos out there so there are a lot of competitorsNot your keys not your coin
https://twitter.com/0xnbs/status/1666130116919930892?s=52&t=shA_rzsvc2hqA26wurRe0Q
June 08, 2023, 09:38:47 AM
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Web2 casino sites are still preferred by everyone because there is no need to connect one's personal wallet, which allows everyone to stay within certain gambling limits and protect their funds. KYC on Web2 Casino site is a bit of a hassle for everyone but everyone likes it. Nowadays web3 casino sites are not yet preferred by people so I think web2 sites are the best so far but with the advancement of technology everyone is trying to improve everything in that case considering you can set up your site on web3 because in the market There are huge amounts of web2 casinos out there so there are a lot of competitorsNot your keys not your coin
https://twitter.com/0xnbs/status/1666130116919930892?s=52&t=shA_rzsvc2hqA26wurRe0Q
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