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Quote from: klidex on June 01, 2023, 12:36:46 PM

Quote from: JustBet on May 29, 2023, 05:35:45 AM

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Before I give advice to you about everything you say please explain to me or to everyone what you say web2 casino is unfair?
I don't feel unfair unless this is just FOMO, sorry to sound a little harsh but I'm telling you what I'm really experiencing.
If you are from one of the web3 casinos and say web2 casino is unfair, how does your web3 system work and what bases have you added to your site? is it really using web3 base?

I think he means the case of Web2 casino that is not paying players due to ToS issue or some games that rigged. Also your use of FOMO(Fear of Missing Out) is out of context here, perhaps the word you are looking for is FUD(Fear Uncertainty and Doubt).

There’s really some web2 casino that unfair on customers and they can easily do this because they have the full control of the casino. I think he is just trying to emphasize here the main advantage of web3 decentralized casino.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on May 29, 2023, 06:52:59 AM

Quote from: summonerrk on May 29, 2023, 06:34:24 AM

The main thing is that the casino or other gambling services meet the requirements of honesty in the conditions. What difference does it make web2 or web3 if the casino has an open source and is accredited by programmers who see that the chances of winning are fair?
I think that such conditions are enough to safely play in an online casino.

Exactly, Web3 casino have a license to operate while they are just using a 3rd party provider for their games is audited and license too by gambling regulator. A pure decentralised casino is not in demand that much since centralized casino already move forward on the legality compared before that most casino do exit scam since they have nothing to lose because the owner is a complete anonymous.

Centralized casino is operating for so long without a problem or known serious scam accusations that doesn't solved. I doubt decentralized casino can beat that considering the games offered on web3 casino is very plain and simple.

I think it was the Web2 casinos are the ones who usually has a License but Web3's are like a Decentralized gambling site so License are sometimes unlikely here. I heard there are fake Web3's casinos out there but maybe they have a license too. That's fine I guess because having a License would mean that they are not a scam because if they are, they can't obtain a License at the first place and then they will be traced easily as I think it requires the team to be doxxed before they get their very own License.

Both Centralized and Decentralized casino has their own Pros and Cons. Some of us still prefers the Decentralized one because they stick on the vision of the original Cryptos which is to promote Decentralization.

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Quote from: jostorres on June 01, 2023, 10:44:46 AM

Quote from: Negotiation on May 31, 2023, 11:34:40 PM

Web3 is new so most people believe that AI will play an important role in Web3. This is due to the heavy involvement of machine to machine communication and decision making that will be required to run many Web3 applications. web3 is nothing more than a rebranding effort for crypto, aiming to shake off some of the industry's cultural and political baggage and convince people that blockchains are the natural next step in computing. But web2 games are much easier to play. Even if there is a chance of losing, gamblers can recover very easily.

I don't understand what you mean by AI playing an important role in Web3 when AI is actually not a very big part of it since web3 is mostly about blockchain, cryptocurrencies, and decentralization, while AI is more on the machine learning side and these two are not closely related, though I know that these two can be used together but Web3 can also stand alone.

I also don't think that there is any advantage for players on a web2 casino compared to a web3 one, both have games with a house edge and the house will still have the same amount of chances of winning against a player even in a web2 casino.

Well I am seeing statements lately of how gamblers are associating the use of AI technology in gambling duch as detecting bots or using it as an advantage in this industry. Web 3 simply opens a decentralized platform for players wherein they'd be the ones to benefit from their winnings alone, likewise with streamers on their contents. The only advantage by web 2 I guess is being centralized in a way that it promotes better security towards gambling platforms. But as OP have mentioned, fake web 2 casinos? no matter what web it is, then that won't be advisable.

Either web 2 or 3, as long as it fills your need as a gambler and as long as your funds would be safe from conflicts, then it would be good to go regardless of the web you are using.

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Quote from: JustBet on May 29, 2023, 05:35:45 AM

I just want to hear your ideas so we can improve our platform. Thanks to admins, they don't like decentralization and they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62314774

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Before I give advice to you about everything you say please explain to me or to everyone what you say web2 casino is unfair?
I don't feel unfair unless this is just FOMO, sorry to sound a little harsh but I'm telling you what I'm really experiencing.
If you are from one of the web3 casinos and say web2 casino is unfair, how does your web3 system work and what bases have you added to your site? is it really using web3 base?

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Quote from: Negotiation on May 31, 2023, 11:34:40 PM

Web3 is new so most people believe that AI will play an important role in Web3. This is due to the heavy involvement of machine to machine communication and decision making that will be required to run many Web3 applications. web3 is nothing more than a rebranding effort for crypto, aiming to shake off some of the industry's cultural and political baggage and convince people that blockchains are the natural next step in computing. But web2 games are much easier to play. Even if there is a chance of losing, gamblers can recover very easily.

I don't understand what you mean by AI playing an important role in Web3 when AI is actually not a very big part of it since web3 is mostly about blockchain, cryptocurrencies, and decentralization, while AI is more on the machine learning side and these two are not closely related, though I know that these two can be used together but Web3 can also stand alone.

I also don't think that there is any advantage for players on a web2 casino compared to a web3 one, both have games with a house edge and the house will still have the same amount of chances of winning against a player even in a web2 casino.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on June 01, 2023, 04:25:13 AM

Why should anyone care about web2 or web3 casino when one won't increase your winning chances over the other? You heard me right, web3 will matter only if gamblers are going to win more than using web2, if that's not the case then this debate is officially over.

Web3 is new and that's why almost every thing online want to join the cruise and gain from it's momentum, I get it, but this needs to be carried out professionally, what are the benefits of using web3 gambling platforms? Gasless transactions? Higher numbers of offers and bonuses? New gambling experience on the fun aspect?

Leave the web3 side of thing out of this whole gambling idea, gamblers only want opportunities, I as a person, wants fun while losing some part of my money and having few numbers of wins, I don't think anything new can change the old experience of gambling, it's always the same.

And that's why gamblers decide which casino they want to play at, whether web2, web3, or whatever. And if they win more often at one casino, they won't go anywhere and will stick around playing gambling there. But even though they also lose at the casino, maybe some of them stay there because they can get comfortable playing gambling. We must remember that gamblers also look for the convenience factor in playing gambling, which does not depend on the type of casino. And when we get comfortable, we will continue to play casino gambling.

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Quote from: JustBet on June 01, 2023, 01:47:19 AM

Quote from: Agbe on May 31, 2023, 11:00:26 AM

Let me start from play stations. People are still using PS2 game station just because it is cheaper to the upgraded ones. Just the web2 and web3. People are still using web2 because probably it cheaper for them to play game so if you want to beat them you have to make some market survey from users and make some research from the net. And make your games in 4D/5D standard and let not your fees should not pursue your customers.

I understand your point. Fees may be a problem for players. Being on-chain requires a fee, but we will overcome this with Account Abstraction. Web2 users can log in with their social accounts and play games without paying a fee. We are working on it.

Does the free development guarantee the smooth running of every transaction and also the comfort of the players there?
Actually, cost is not an obstacle if gamblers can get satisfying service, like my own example, I don't really care about costs if I can get service and satisfaction.
But I admit some people choose to look for lower fees even though there are delays or it takes a long time on each transaction.
It all depends on usage and how much money we use.

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Quote from: rhomelmabini on May 31, 2023, 09:11:55 AM

If they accept BRC-20 tokens would that mean anything now considering it's on the Bitcoin network? Not that familiar on this yet but it's fairly simple that it's related to Bitcoin compare to those who erc20 tokens or other chains.

Considering that BRC-20 tokens are built on the Bitcoin network, it can be reasonably assumed that a casino accepting such tokens would still fulfill the requirement of being connected to Bitcoin. Although, I am not sure how the moderators would look at this.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on June 01, 2023, 04:25:13 AM

Leave the web3 side of thing out of this whole gambling idea, gamblers only want opportunities, I as a person, wants fun while losing some part of my money and having few numbers of wins, I don't think anything new can change the old experience of gambling, it's always the same.

Well, I would disagree with this. Nowadays, the majority of web2 online casinos actually demand KYC (Know Your Customer) verification from their customers. This is mainly because they operate as licensed platforms and are obligated to comply with legal regulations. However, it's worth mentioning that the crypto gambling community, in general, is not particularly fond of KYC procedures. Consequently, if web3 casinos manage to provide a secure and trustworthy environment for players while also addressing the concerns surrounding privacy and KYC, they could potentially gain a significant advantage in attracting users.

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Why should anyone care about web2 or web3 casino when one won't increase your winning chances over the other? You heard me right, web3 will matter only if gamblers are going to win more than using web2, if that's not the case then this debate is officially over.

Web3 is new and that's why almost every thing online want to join the cruise and gain from it's momentum, I get it, but this needs to be carried out professionally, what are the benefits of using web3 gambling platforms? Gasless transactions? Higher numbers of offers and bonuses? New gambling experience on the fun aspect?

Leave the web3 side of thing out of this whole gambling idea, gamblers only want opportunities, I as a person, wants fun while losing some part of my money and having few numbers of wins, I don't think anything new can change the old experience of gambling, it's always the same.

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actually the concept of WEB3 is very attractive to the casino industry because it will allow the platform to run securely, transparently, anonymously, and many other advantages. but that's in theory, in practice we can't be sure that it runs 100% decentralized and transparent, like what the WEB3 concept offers, so I personally think that between Web2 and Web3 the platforms are the same in practice.

especially so far I'm using the Web2 casino platform and haven't found any problems, in fact their service is getting better by introducing some features that really help players, so there's no reason to switch to another platform, even when it offers such a Web3-like concept , because web2 also offers good games and continues to innovate to provide better services.

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Quote from: Agbe on May 31, 2023, 11:00:26 AM

Let me start from play stations. People are still using PS2 game station just because it is cheaper to the upgraded ones. Just the web2 and web3. People are still using web2 because probably it cheaper for them to play game so if you want to beat them you have to make some market survey from users and make some research from the net. And make your games in 4D/5D standard and let not your fees should not pursue your customers.

I understand your point. Fees may be a problem for players. Being on-chain requires a fee, but we will overcome this with Account Abstraction. Web2 users can log in with their social accounts and play games without paying a fee. We are working on it.

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Web3 is new so most people believe that AI will play an important role in Web3. This is due to the heavy involvement of machine to machine communication and decision making that will be required to run many Web3 applications. web3 is nothing more than a rebranding effort for crypto, aiming to shake off some of the industry's cultural and political baggage and convince people that blockchains are the natural next step in computing. But web2 games are much easier to play. Even if there is a chance of losing, gamblers can recover very easily.

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Unless web3 casino is on a fee-less blockchain, for example Hive, I'd stick to web2 casinos, even cents as fees can mount to a good amount of money when played long enough.

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I'm sorry your ANN thread got moved to the alt board but I don't think any moderator will so that without a valid reason and for reference purposes, I haven't seen any web3 projects that actually uses bitcoin but rather thistle I know of web3 simply shows that more of alt coins are been used which is a clear reason why your thread got moved.

Web3 games are great but it isn't nice you think the forum or moderators don't like decentralization and I don't have much to say about your web3 games but just keep your head straight and try using Bitcoin.

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Quote from: acroman08 on May 31, 2023, 02:39:59 AM

Quote from: JustBet on May 31, 2023, 01:18:00 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on May 30, 2023, 09:04:51 AM

The moderators obviously have nothing personal with you or your platform, what they are doing is to keep the forum organized and keep every thread where it belongs, and since you said yourself that people can use wBTC (Wrapped Bitcoin) for gambling on your platform, that makes it an altcoin casino because wBTC is actually an altcoin and not the original Bitcoin.

So I don't see moderators being the bad guy here as they are doing their job, nor do I say that your platform is bad or anything, it is just that they did what should be done. For suggestions, I can't give any as I haven't used your platform yet, will do that once I'm done trying it out anytime soon.

However, there is only one gambling section on the forum. If there are some reasons not to let us use this board, then a separate board can be opened for casinos like us and so we will have a chance to introduce our platforms to players.

as I have said before, Gambling casinos that are going to post an ANN thread here need to accept BTC as one of their payment methods. you can make a thread in meta and request a gambling board for an altcoin casino but I doubt it will be approved, there have been threads posted in the past asking for a sub-board for altcoin gambling but it was never approved as there is not enough altcoin gambling being posted in the forum(compare to casinos that accept BTC) to warrant for an altcoin gambling board.

I understand that things can be seen that way here as you say and you are right , I would also say that gambling should have its scope in this space , gambling , this section does not accept altcoins, but it is for gambling , so they should Accept it , but if not because they don't have to bet with bitcoin , it's something that still can't be done , the question here is because they only have Altcoins to play, they are also the gifts of this section , but As others have told him , it would be good if you did or proposed that problem in Meta.

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Quote from: JustBet on May 29, 2023, 05:35:45 AM

they moved our ANN to altcoin section again.

Moderator moved your ANN thread to altcoins board? Is your project an altcoin or a token? And if your project is not any of the above then moderator would not moved your ANN thread to altcoins board but probably to Service Announcement Board.

Quote from: JustBet on May 29, 2023, 05:35:45 AM

So lets discuss here. What do you advise to improve our casino to beat unfair web2 casinos.

Let me start from play stations. People are still using PS2 game station just because it is cheaper to the upgraded ones. Just the web2 and web3. People are still using web2 because probably it cheaper for them to play game so if you want to beat them you have to make some market survey from users and make some research from the net. And make your games in 4D/5D standard and let not your fees should not pursue your customers.

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If they accept BRC-20 tokens would that mean anything now considering it's on the Bitcoin network? Not that familiar on this yet but it's fairly simple that it's related to Bitcoin compare to those who erc20 tokens or other chains.

Quote from: JustBet on May 31, 2023, 01:18:00 AM

However, there is only one gambling section on the forum. If there are some reasons not to let us use this board, then a separate board can be opened for casinos like us and so we will have a chance to introduce our platforms to players.

The reason is, that was the only board might be related on your thread and moved it on the right board by a moderator. You can actually introduce it to players by doing signatures, contests, be known whatever means it is as long as it's acceptable here. It can be introduced on other things here.

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Quote from: JustBet on May 31, 2023, 01:18:00 AM

However, there is only one gambling section on the forum. If there are some reasons not to let us use this board, then a separate board can be opened for casinos like us and so we will have a chance to introduce our platforms to players.

I understand your point, and if you're really interested in discussing this topic, I recommend starting a new thread in the Meta board. It's possible that the administrators might consider your proposal if there's enough interest from the community.

However, you should keep in mind that this forum, bitcointalk.org, is primarily focused on Bitcoin and Bitcoin-related topics. In the Gambling board, the casinos promoted are expected to support Bitcoin at least as an option for withdrawing and depositing funds. From what I can see, your platform doesn't meet that requirement, which would place it under the Altcoins subforum instead.

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Quote from: acroman08 on May 31, 2023, 02:39:59 AM

Quote from: JustBet on May 31, 2023, 01:18:00 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on May 30, 2023, 09:04:51 AM

The moderators obviously have nothing personal with you or your platform, what they are doing is to keep the forum organized and keep every thread where it belongs, and since you said yourself that people can use wBTC (Wrapped Bitcoin) for gambling on your platform, that makes it an altcoin casino because wBTC is actually an altcoin and not the original Bitcoin.

So I don't see moderators being the bad guy here as they are doing their job, nor do I say that your platform is bad or anything, it is just that they did what should be done. For suggestions, I can't give any as I haven't used your platform yet, will do that once I'm done trying it out anytime soon.

However, there is only one gambling section on the forum. If there are some reasons not to let us use this board, then a separate board can be opened for casinos like us and so we will have a chance to introduce our platforms to players.

as I have said before, Gambling casinos that are going to post an ANN thread here need to accept BTC as one of their payment methods. you can make a thread in meta and request a gambling board for an altcoin casino but I doubt it will be approved, there have been threads posted in the past asking for a sub-board for altcoin gambling but it was never approved as there is not enough altcoin gambling being posted in the forum(compare to casinos that accept BTC) to warrant for an altcoin gambling board.

This would be a completely wrong decision. And I think that it will still not work to open a separate gambling board only for altcoins, and the forum administrators will not agree to do this.
In general, the section "Gambling" here on the forum is so large that it is impossible to open any other sections, for example, for altcoins, simply because this will only confuse the entire navigation system and information profiles on the forum.
It is probably easier for the authors of this appeal to make it possible to pay for bets in their casino using bitcoin as one of the payment options.
And then you can safely open a new topic here in this section.
I don’t really understand what is the complexity of organizing payments in bitcoin when you already have experience working with other altcoins. Unless only the speed of transactions and network commissions can be a brake on this action.
But if the casino is serious enough, then for him it will still be an insignificant problem.
And if the casino is quite small, then there is no need for it to open a topic on our forum.

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Quote from: JustBet on May 31, 2023, 01:18:00 AM

Quote from: wiss19 on May 30, 2023, 09:04:51 AM

The moderators obviously have nothing personal with you or your platform, what they are doing is to keep the forum organized and keep every thread where it belongs, and since you said yourself that people can use wBTC (Wrapped Bitcoin) for gambling on your platform, that makes it an altcoin casino because wBTC is actually an altcoin and not the original Bitcoin.

So I don't see moderators being the bad guy here as they are doing their job, nor do I say that your platform is bad or anything, it is just that they did what should be done. For suggestions, I can't give any as I haven't used your platform yet, will do that once I'm done trying it out anytime soon.

However, there is only one gambling section on the forum. If there are some reasons not to let us use this board, then a separate board can be opened for casinos like us and so we will have a chance to introduce our platforms to players.

as I have said before, Gambling casinos that are going to post an ANN thread here need to accept BTC as one of their payment methods. you can make a thread in meta and request a gambling board for an altcoin casino but I doubt it will be approved, there have been threads posted in the past asking for a sub-board for altcoin gambling but it was never approved as there is not enough altcoin gambling being posted in the forum(compare to casinos that accept BTC) to warrant for an altcoin gambling board.

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