Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 26. (Read 89184 times)

Nobody can explain it. Why not? Because nobody has lived long enough ago to compare the differences that existed in prehistory with what exists now. The closest we can come is to show that our math and physics predicts that BB was extremely different. To be different means that math and physics were different. If they were not different, we could not predict a difference in BB even by using our math and physics.

In other words, the whole idea of BB doesn't even make sense.

Can you explain this?
How is our math&physics different than that during the BB  

You're thinking of the singularity and the non-existance of time?

Your first sentence is right and it is wrong. I will never be convinced by you, because you don't know enough to convince anyone. I will gladly be convinced by anyone who has proof.

Your second sentence fits you way batter than it fits me... or prove I am wrong.

It's only been a few hundred years since people knew that there were more elements that earth, air, fire, and water... and the ether, if you want to include space. But atheism goes way back into the past. So, how do we know that we won't find that there is something besides energy that everything is made out of.

For example. We now know that the Big Bang is false. How is it false? We used our modern day math to figure out that there was a BB in the first place. But the existence of such a BB as has been theorized, proves that BB math and physics were different than our modern math, just as the BB universe is different than our universe. We don't have any math or physics example from the way math an physics were even 20,000 years ago. So we certainly don't even know that 20,000 years ago existed in any recognizable way. So, how can we tell that there ever was 3.5 billion years ago... or a BB?

I do believe in God and I do believe in the wonderful things that the Bible and the religion teaches like love, respect, tolerance, etc. With all that said as an intellectual I do have some questions like where does God come from, is he some kind of energy and where that energy comes from? Our world is beautiful if you look it from the right eyes, of course there is evil in this world, but there are much more beautiful things and I might even say "wonders" that happen. There are so many stories of people in coma that returned and they tell how they've seen their dear ones and that light everyone is speaking about.

The point of what you are saying is that complexity of the universe is beyond mankind at present.

Consider the science that we don't know much of anything  about, the science of the soul/spirit and the science of the medium that we call empty space.

Why would anyone think that there isn't a science of the identity and soul/spirit of God? We can't even understand these two things - our personal identity and our soul/spirit - but we use them all the time. We are the essence of what they are. But we can't objectively get a handle on them scientifically.

Everything that we do in life, exists in a much greater doing in nature around us. Yet it is nature that is profoundly greater than what we do. In fact, everything we do exists as a thing in nature. In other words, the Doer of nature is as far greater than we are, as the doings of nature are far greater than our doings.

God is the basis for everything. He isn't the basis because we might apply that kind of basis in our lives. He is the basis because He exists as the basis. Proof is in the fact that we die, but nature goes on.

"God" is just a catch-all term for the truths that science hasn't yet uncovered. But there is science and maths there, underlying everything. There is no celestial overseer.
You can see this is true by looking at long timescales. God is shrinking over time, and will eventually disappear.

Thousands of years ago, God was everything. The Sun was God, Nature was God, Rain and Thunder were God.
Over time these became natural phenomena, but God was still there, albeit a smaller God: God moved the Sun and Moon around the Earth.
And then came Copernicus, Galileo et al - and God shrunk again. The Earth wasn't the centre of the universe, the sun was one star amongst many, the moon a simple ball of rock in continuous freefall around our own ball of rock, as we are in freefall around the sun.
Okay, but God still created the Animals, and still created Man, his chosen creature... and then came Darwin. Evolution by natural selection, with overwhelming evidence. God shrinks again.

God is simply the name for the science that we don't yet understand.

Science will slowly find that God exists, and that He is the One Who made all the science to work as it does.

One thing to note about religion is that it is something that fill sthe gaps in human understanding. If there is something that is not understood by scientists, the quick easy (and wrong!) answer is that God did it.

We can see that as science advances and explains more and more of existence, religion shrinks. It used to be that God created the Earth and the heavens around it. But then science proved that the Earth was just an ordinary planet orbitting an ordinary sun, not the centre of the universe. So religion retreated to 'well, we don't know how the universe was created, so that must be God'... and so on.

Religion will slowly disappear as science fills in the gaps.

^^^ You toss the words "flat earth" around like they are a religion.

^^^ You toss the word religion around like it's a frag grenade.

If you combine your belief in atheism and extraterrestrials, you only have one religion. If you don't, you have two religions.

I too am an atheist and I believe only in the existence of extraterrestrials

You can educate people to believe anything. Science educates by teaching people some real facts, and then extrapolating other potentially fake facts off the real facts. Examples of the potentially fake facts are: the scientific age of the universe; evolution of life; that cause and effect are philosophical rather than real; knowledge of what black holes really are; that stars are nuclear. When scientists teach like this, they are treating science like a religion.

When science says that there is no soul or spirit, or God for that matter, because they haven't technologically figured out a way to observe these things technologically, they are placing themselves into a position of admitted ignorance.

Just because science hasn't found soul/spirit memory that is distinctly separate from physical, brain memory, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. After all, science would have to find the soul or spirit, first, and check it out for its memory. Science that claims these things don't exist, is claiming that cars and airplanes and computers and space rockets don't exist, because they are placing themselves into a class of people who have to know everything about something before they will admit to understanding that it exists.

What would Aristotle say if he had been introduced to cars and airplanes and computers and space rockets? Would he have said that they don't exist simply because he knew nothing about them? You are placing yourself into a position of self-maintained, self-desired ignorance when you talk the way you do.

It's my memory. Was it implanted by someone? I don't know. But, it is my memory.

Consider that clinically insane is something that is decided by those who often have memories that would make them appear to be clinically insane.

Think about the firm Jewish believers, and the Christians who strictly believe the Bible. Jews are a stubborn lot with regard to keeping records. They believe that the books that Moses wrote back about 3500 years ago are the truth... some of which was taken from other records that go back to the creation. In other words, the universe and the earth are about 6000 years old. They literally believe this.

But science has found that the universe is about 13.5 billion years old. That's a difference of about 13.5 billion years from what the Jews believe.

The Jews believe their written records, while science makes all kinds of assumptions about the way things were. Kinda seems that scientists are the clinically insane here. After all, there is no reason to assume that things of the past acted like they do today. There might be any number of ways that the universe came about in a short period of time, like God creating it in 6 days.

Personally, I believe the written records of the Jews. If you want to believe the assumptions of the scientists, go ahead and remain clinically unsane.

I might not remember before I was born too clearly, but I DO remember before I was conceived. I remember being a fuzzy ball of light with other fuzzy balls of light all around me. There was a Great Light above us all. It was too bright to look at.

I was uncertain about taking a position down here. But I had waited for a long time, watching many others go to Earth and be born. Then the Great Light seemed to indicate that there was an opening that I should fill. I was hesitant, but I made the move.

And here I am.

I'm a personal believer that when you die, it's just like before you were born.   Do you remember that?   Me neither.   This consciousness is the only life you have so live it to it's fullest.

Christians are extensions of God here on Earth. God's idea isn't to turn you off. God wants you to live with Him, so that you and He can enjoy each other's company throughout eternity. After all, eternity can seem like a long time. When you resist Him like you are doing, you are turning yourself off. Be happy that it takes as long as it does, because it won't be fun for you in the resurrection.

I believe every man is entitled to believe what he wants to believe in,. However,  there is an insatiable quest to come to the understanding of the creator of this universe... Hence the defense of science. But even science doesn't know it all

just like the flow of electricity that can turn on a light bulb like that God has the power to turn on and off humans.
he is not visible to the eye but his role is clear in the world.
if you see the sun can you make it rise at night ??
of course not, all the universe and its contents have been arranged by God.