Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 28. (Read 89184 times)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1043-4
An all powerful and omniscient god, who enforces a moral code and is aware of all sins, only was invented when the first urban societies were created.

Only on these societies someone could act in violation of social rules with some chance of avoiding punishment. On a small clan community this is much harder to happen.

Hence, a god with functions of moral/religious enforcer only was invented when social needs made this necessary.

This can explain the enduring animist religions who ruled for millennia and their overcome by gods with moral functions and omniscient and omnipotent qualities after the formation and development of urban societies.

The first god with moral functions seems to be Maat, daughter of the god Ra, about 5000 years ago, on Egypt.

As the State became more powerful (and modern surveillance techniques are increasing their role: China is the best example), the need for a divine enforcer of social rules disappeared. This can also explain religious tolerance from the authorities.

Humans evolved religion as a trait for a reason.

Because it helped us survive.

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I killed badecker's god years ago.  I am the real Vod.

Your PIN is (obviously) 6969.

You just don't get it, do you. No PIN, absolute proof. Why? Because the things that you do and that are under your control, God is doing through you. You verbally ask for the PIN, but you don't put the PIN up. So, you lie, but God tells the truth by not putting the PIN up.

Do you want God to put the PIN up? Then [put the PIN up, and it will be God working through you to put the PIN up.

If you continue long enough in your refusal to accept God and His salvation, you will be using God's power to say "NO" to yourself. That NO is an eternal one. Please don't go there. It means that I will have failed regarding you and salvation. And I feel so bad when I fail at something.

Are you laughing, yet? Go ahead and laugh at me, now. Only repent and believe, so that you will have the ability to laugh in joy throughout eternity?

I don't understand. You asked for the ATM card and PIN number, didn't you? Well? Do you have them or not? Jesus allowed you to have them, right?

Since He allowed you to have them, He already knows the numbers, right? You don't really want Him to post your private numbers for all the world to see, do you? If you do, start praying to Him to post them. Here's what I mean.

God bases everything on faith... including salvation. If you have faith, you can move mountains. It was Eve's and Adam's failure in the faith area that prompted God to base everything on faith... just to show them that He is faithful. So, why is Jesus going to post your numbers when you don't have faith that He will, and when you don't even have faith that He exists? Besides, if you want your numbers posted, don't you have the ability to post them? Go ahead and post them. Or don't you have the strength to do it?

I know that you are having a bad day. Your days won't get any better until you acknowledge God.

Bronze Age myths are Bronze Age myths. Bronze Age reality isn't myths.

Bible stories were written by very educated people. How can you tell? By the fact that they were able to write. Moses' writings were based on other writings that we don't have today. But the fact of these writings is found in the writings that have been discovered in Egypt. Consider the Nag Hammadi Library - https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/nag_hammadi/contents.htm.

Our modern-day superheroes don't match the things of the universe. Their existence is the thing that is mythology.

Why would God post your ATM card along with your PIN? That would damge you because some unscroupulous characters might use them?

If you really want those numbers posted by God, talk to Him yourself. I don't control the way he posts. However, your card and PIN numbers might already be up for sale at some site in the Dark Web.

Get off your crazy kick, you knucklebrain.

We have enough God stories to save those who believe God's Word. We don't need any more. More might even prove to dilute the things that God talks about in the God stories. It's time for atheists to turn and believe God, before they destroy themselves by their unbelief.

In the same way you are susceptible to crackpot theories that are being proven wrong. You are attempting to maintain wrong science theories... why? Are you so afraid of the truth that you are willing to remain wrong? Will it take away from your income if you turn to what is right?

Regarding God, change before it's too late for you and you destroy yourself.

Redshift is a misinterpretation of electric plasma activity. Search on "electric cosmos" or "electric universe." There you will find theory that fits universe operations way better than the current usage of Relativity Theory.

What does this mean? It means that scientists would rather continue with the status quo than adopt the truth. However, that is the way that people act in general, isn't it? Even scientists with their pet theories, right?

This should cause you to at least question your atheistic views.

You just know this how? Certainly not from understanding science. The science of cause and effect alone shows that the universe was programmed. The machine nature of the universe shows that the Programmer was highly intelligent. Don't just pick and choose the science you like. Rather, look at all of it.

The so-called mechanism for filtering out falsehood, only proves to solidify falsehood if the peer reviews agree with something that is wrong. Being popular, or being proclaimed loudly, or being attested to isn't the thing that makes things to be the truth. Only if they ARE the truth, are they the truth.

If you have stories that contradict the Bible stories you mention, it is you who have the fairy tales. Just because your stories are things that are the standard accepted by some people, doesn't make them true. You need more. The fact that there are loads of people who accept Bible stories as true, makes them just as true as your fictional stories. Bible people need more, as well.

We ARE worlds apart. You would like to accept science that makes sense along with other science that doesn't make sense. Because of this you come up with a muddled view that you don't even realize is muddled.

I accept the Bible stories for a couple of reasons. Science shows that they are true. And the Holy Spirit acknowledges them within me.

Btw, you haven't shown me something that factually exists without a cause. Can't answer, so you ignore the point.

Notice how all your stuff in your links is written. Much of it is in books. So, the question has to do with which of it is true and which of it is false.

If you don't realize that everything that exists is the effect of one or more causes, you are scientifically quite naive. Show me something that exists without one or more causes making it to exist the way it does. And then show me how those causes are not the effects of other causes.

Even the idea that radioactive half-life exists without cause is wrong. Its cause is simply in a different level than what is usually understood to fit into the idea of cause and effect. The only reason it is interpreted as not having a cause, is that scientists are desperately trying to find something that doesn't have a cause, just so they can suggest that intelligent design might not exist after all.

There are no accidents. Everything operates through cause and effect, exactly as it is programmed to operate according to the laws of physics. The idea that accidents exist is an intelligent misinterpretation of C&E, caused by C&E acting in those people who think that there are accidents.

It's a shame that nobody told you about pleasure, and that you indulge in pain, simply because you haven't been able to figure out that the purpose of life is to enjoy pleasure and avoid pain. It was out of your hands for your life to exist. You didn't really have any choice in the matter. But now that it does exist, seek the pleasure, and avoid the pain, by turning to God. There's your purpose.

Complexity doesn't happen by accident. Even though it is not design in itself, it has been designed. Some areas of entropy increase, while others wane. But overall, entropy is increasing, even if the rate of the increase is decreasing.

You really need to take a vacation to Bora Bora, or Tahiti in general. If you choose the enjoyment of those places rather than looking for some pain therein, you will find just how cruel the universe isn't. The fact that you aren't out there in the midst of the colliding galaxies shows that you are being spared from that pain. Btw, we don't know that galaxies are colliding. We are only trusting some light and electromagnetics that we see coming in.

All the atoms of everything operate according to physics laws. Even the raging tidal wave acts according to precise laws of physics. If you don't see design in all that exists, you are really not looking... or thinking.

@af_newbie, why should I ? Have ever why I keep on insisting that there are things that are unknown in this universe? And that includes God of Baruch Spinoza. Even you cannot explain the reasons to me that only means that you also do not know it then  why still assume that it is certain that it is not existing?

I personally can't tell the exact reason but I can say that if  i am going to use my common sense the results of the explosions might be the reason why it happen. So  maybe that was designed to make such galaxies that existed right now or even before

Why? The universe is so extremely complex that it couldn't have come about by anything but design. Two things prove this:
1. We have no evidence of complexity happening spontaneously. We don't have any example of true sponteneity at all!;
2. Entropy is essentially the breaking down of complexity. We don't have any example of entropy never existing. This means that the building of complexity has always had the rival, entropy, working against it. We have no evidence of anything that could make complexity, naturally. This means that something outside of nature designed the complexity that our universe is.

Ahm, I personally do not know the exact reason why it keeps on evolving as you have said the universe is too wide and as of the current technology that we have it is almost impossible to explain the unknown phenomenon. Wait then how can that be reason to consider that there is no any singular self-subsequent substance("GOD" not the personal God from religions) ?

Science has put in our hands the evidence about how things are, things like evolution and the Big Bang aren't a debate in the scientific community because they are very strong scientific theorys. If something is unknown like what happen before the big bang or even why the big bang happen scientist make hypothesis (the therm people confound with theory) about those aspects but the answer is that we don't know and there is where semi-ignorant people come to claim that if science don't have the answer religion has it: "Science can't explain what happen before the Big Bang and how and why started and is because is design and trigger by God" wtf is that? I prefer no answer before some nonsense crap that can look like plausible to some people that are afraid of death or accept that we are at the same level then any others animals and there is nothing special about us.

I recommend to @darklus123 to read the books "A Brief History of Time" by professor Stephen Hawking  and "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins, the are a good read and can change peoples way to think or at least clarify many points and why science and religion even if many people say otherwise are not compatible.

And again I would love if some religion were true, like almost all people in the world sometimes I think is sad that only have this life to enjoy I would be please if the some afterlife history were true but they aren't because even if there is no way to really prove it is unlikely to be the only part of religions that are true when the rest has been proved to be a nonsense. The thing that made me rest in peace with that struggle  is the video of Optimistic Nihilism by Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14)
PD: sorry if my english is a bit hard to understand, I like to keep it simple almost all the time because my gramma sucks.

What is wrong then if i do open that point of view to you ? It is actually making sense you just keep ignoring arguments you do not like lol.


Well maybe you are right that those were made with explosions or whatsoever then how can that be a fvcking reason for you to think that it was really made just by accident or no form were responsible for those? Were you there?


Should i be the person who should step back and look at the bigger picture of the universe?, as you have said this world is so amazing its mysteries  are also keeping us on track discoveries are made every single day. You should start taking the wider path hmm

The fvck why do you keep on going back to personal god's point view? Did i even talk about this religious sculptures you were saying?

Ok fine you are more knowledgeable when it comes to science but come'on you know I am bringing good points here that you cannot give good answers.


Haha funny even the accidents you were talking about has their own designs. You getting to my nerves you know science right? Why is that you do not even know that an explosions has designs? You know what an explosion would look like right? Then why?

Am I?

Then you surely did not understood what I am talking about. Hence you are still insisting to put your argument based on the personal God which I have already stated that it was not I am referring to. Those happens for reasons we don't even know (As you have said if you don't know something then tell them you don't know) Now tell me how does that connects to God of Baruch Spinoza that I am talking about? wait I get it you are just talking about the personal God lol.


of course it was not created by accident did I even tell you that this were created by accident? or it's just that you are assuming that much?


The fact that it is unknown how did you know? for you to be able to tell me that there is no such beings who design everything you should have to be there when all of this are being designed or not right or right? or again you are just assuming? LOL.