Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 28. (Read 89022 times)

Is it too difficult for you to think a little? Remember how Jesus said, Ask and it shall be given to you?...
What have you asked by your desire that God not exist for you? You have asked that He not post... at least anywhere that you might see it. After all, you don't want Him to exist, and He is gracious enough to answer you about this.

But then you go and ask Him to post - at the same time you ask Him to not exist - so how does He answer your two opposite requests?

The answer is that He posts through me, so that you aren't forced to acknowledge Him (as you are asking), and so, at the same time, He posts (as you are asking).

Of course you aren't smart enough to figure this out on your own. So God has given me the answer so that I can tell it to you. After all, He loves you enough that He wants you to change and be saved.

How does that prove that we don't know BB existed?
It proves precisely the opposite.

I don't see how the Big Bang is proving that god doesn't exist, that makes no sense whatsoever.
If it does anything it pushes for a theist viewpoint since everything started from one singularity, all life came to beign from an infinitely small dot.
How do you explain that?

One small thing pushed so many things in such order.


No. You're still avoiding my question, how was physics different?? Or math 

ROFL.  Of course, he is.

Ask yourself, why is he posting through you, and not by himself?

You are simply blocking your mind from acknowledging God. God is posting in this forum through me.

God only exists in your mind.  Ask him to post here.

He cannot because he is not real.  You have been lied to. End of story.

Actually, all that is, is the way ignorant people see it. Here is a clearer picture.

Suppose you need a wrench. So, you get some metal, and go through the trouble to make a wrench. Then you are about to use the wrench to turn a nut or bolt, and the wrench turns itself into a screwdriver, or it simply breaks. What good is it if it doesn't remain a wrench? Toss it out and go back to the drawing board.

God made people upright and holy for His own purpose. But they constantly turn away from how God made them. So, what use are they to God any longer? He should get rid of them. And that is what He does to those of them who remain obstinate.

But God is like the mechanic that takes the useless wrench, and tries to forge it back into something useful. Some of us wrenches are changed back into something useful. But some of us resist being made useful again. If we aren't useful to God, why would he even want to keep us around anymore? Why keep us? Get rid of us.

The point is, we have corrupted ourselves to the point that we aren't willing to even understand the mindset of the God that holds us alive, and gives us the many things that we need to support our daily lives. And worse, we resist His salvation in Jesus that He is using to try to forge us back into something useful to Him, so that he doesn't have to throw us out and destroy us.

Realize that God owns everything, and that it is HIS purposes that prevail.

Exactly.

One thing that brings religious people and atheists together is their shared love of Richard Dawkins  Here's a great quote:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Historians agree that Moses was a mythological figure.  So, whatever man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

"The modern scholarly consensus is that the figure of Moses is a mythical figure, and while, as William G. Dever writes, "a Moses-like figure may have existed somewhere in the southern Transjordan in the mid-late 13th century B.C.", archaeology cannot confirm his existence. Certainly, no Egyptian sources mention Moses or the events of Exodus–Deuteronomy, nor has any archaeological evidence been discovered in Egypt or the Sinai wilderness to support the story in which he is the central figure."

Using your argument, you can also say that the story depicted in the Odyssey is true and that Odysseus existed because Greece exist today and this proves it. LOL.

You weren't there, so you don't know that.

Proof of Bible record accuracy is in the nation of Israel. Nobody can put them down. They are among the few formal nations that have survived as a nation for thousands of years. They are a ti9ny nation, yet one of the most powerful. And they are extremely meticulous when it comes to accurate records... the Bible.

Moses and Joshua were real, as is Jesus. The nation of Israel existing as it is proves it.

It is irrelevant.  Moses is still a mythological figure.  So is his assistant, Joshua. 

There you go again. You like atheism because atheism is a religion.

Not really.  Facts hurt your brain, don't they?

It sucks to be you.  Cognitive dissonance must be killing you.

So, you want to remain in ignorance. You don't need to work at it so hard. It comes easy to you.

You are conflating Moses' assistant with the carpenter who lived centuries afterward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua

You are making shit up as you go.  

BTW, Moses is a mythological figure, not a historical one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

As you say, the evidence for evolution is overwhelming. However, all the evidence fits simple change, adaptation, and like-begets-like better. So, it is easily seen that evolution is the religion of choice of believers in it. Evolution is religion.

Jesus is the Messiah talked about in the O.T.

The Revelation says that the Rider on the white horse has a name written on him that is "The Word of God"... which is the whole Bible... Jesus in the O.T., and the O.T. in Jesus.

The name Joshua (and variants of it) in the O.T. is the name expressed Jesus in the N.T.

The evidence for evolution is overwhelming.  There is no question about it.  It is an undisputed fact.  You can deny it all you want, but the evidence is still there.  

No, I am not part of the 'science media', I am just a guy who read more than one book. LOL.  
You, on the other hand, are a member of the One Book Club.

BTW, tell me where in the Old Testament is Jesus' name?  There are so many things wrong with the Bible (both OT and NT) that is just not funny.  Only people who purposely ignore the obvious nonsense, cruelty, and sadistic punishments can follow this religion.

It's about time that you be honest. Take a look at my posts. I totally accept all the evidence that you say I reject. Why do I do this? Because it's the same evidence that shows that things like evolution, BB, age of the earth, black holes, and a whole lot more don't exist as the popular scientific explanation says.

For example. All the evidence that says that Evolution Theory Evolution (ETE) happened, also shows that there was no ETE, but that what happened was simple change, adaptation, and like-begets-like. And these 3 things are way more readily proven than ETE could ever be. The only reason that ETE is accepted is that some people DESIRE to accept it, thereby making ETE a philosophy or religion.

And it's like this for loads of so-called scientific things. Science is all about media when it should be about truth. It's all about manipulating the minds of people, so that the manipulators can make money.

So, my question for you is (one you will never answer honestly), are you part of the science media that is trying to foist lies on people? Or are you simply one of the media believers?

Just be honest with yourself.  You reject any evidence that directly invalidates your Bronze Age, Biblical world view, i.e. no evolution, no BB, Earth's age is < 10.000 years, the first man was created from dirt few thousand years ago, the first woman created from the first man's rib bone, then all incest from there. 

To do that, you have to reject all physical evidence, dating methods, bend the laws of nature, no surprise there, and say that the physical laws were different back in 'those' days, etc.

You are simply delusional and need plenty of strong medication(s).

The only question is how severe your batshit crazy condition is. 

You are right. We are kinda off topic.

It proves we don't know that BB existed. This changes the only real scientific god-of-creation that we have, to be something that we don't know exists. When average folks realize that we don't know if BB exists, they can be more open minded about looking for God.

Your precise calculations might be calculating the wrong thing precisely, like a computer that has rules that are false might calculate a wrong answer. All that it proves is that we are good at using the calculations that we have.

The fact that BB calc shows that the universe was different back then, doesn't really show that math and physics were different. All it shows is that we don't know. Why? Because if math and physics were different a million years ago, we might not get BB using that math instead.

You can precisely calculate each thing that happened in the universe and back it up to the point of the singularity. That proves the laws were the same. We don't need to go back to see what happens.

But I'm going to take the bait and ask if it were true that we don't know laws of physics don't change [if they changed, there would be a mathematical equation on how they change and they would still be the same laws of physics] and ask what's the point of your statement? What does it prove?