Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 30. (Read 89184 times)

I'm not here to play your games. You can't just decide what is truth. Truth is truth. Either you accept the truth or you don't.

You still have time to be saved.

You are going to be disappointed if place your trust in Wikipedia. Wiki is good for getting a general idea of things, but the details are often very biased. See https://crossexamined.org/wrote-gospel-matthew/ for info about why Matthew spoke his book to a scribe.

But why pick on Matthew? Of course. It's easy to pick on what might be the weakest link in the chain.

Have you already lost it? Or are you going to find salvation for you soul one of these days?

The difficult part is figuring out what you mean at times. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and St. Paul were contemporaries of Jesus. You have read them and know this. So, who would have guessed that you meant contemporaries of Jesus? Even Josephus was born only a year or two after Jesus's resurrection.

BTW, since Jesus is alive, we are all contemporaries of His.

Again, what is not contemporary about things that are in existence today, and that are understaood in their existence today?

All you are trying to do is play word games. I don't blame you for doing this. It's just about the only thing you can do to try to prove that Jesus/God doesn't exist.

However, why you want the reality of science, and then want to discard aspects of it, is a perplexing question.

Nobody believes you. Why? Because you only pick and choose the one thing that might be questionable.

Jesus is real. Why do I say "is?" Because He was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, and has ascended higher than the Heavens, to fill the whole universe. Jesus lives and reigns over the whole universe.

He and the Father have sent the Holy Spirit to us. This Holy Spirit is a Spirit of patience and forgiveness towards all who repent (turn away from their unbelief in Jesus/God), and believe. But, He will be an avenging Spirit against all who remain stiff-necked in their own unbelieving way.

Did you forget to look at Fact 6, above? Those are all contemporary finds. Relax. Slow down. You just might be saved yet.

^^^ While it is true that a few of the things that you talk about, above, are factual, much of it is not known to be absolute fact.

For example, the earliest complete Septuagint that we have is from around 350 A.D. We don't really have any scraps of it that are from B.C. The "stories" that say it is from Egypt around 250 B.C., are convoluted enough to show that it may not be. And the writings of it that we DO have, might not be accurate except for one thing. Josephus wrote from Hebrew texts, and his writings agree with the Septuagint in most areas.

However, your list does way more to substantiate the Bible and Jesus, than secular scholars have that says that Jesus didn't exist.

Not so fast apeman, not so fast.

That is a lie and spirit of antichrist. Your ticket is almost set.
You can't debunk historical fact of The Lord Jesus existence and overwhelming number of facts, you can research.

Fact1:  The Bible has more manuscript evidence than any ten pieces of ancient literature combined. There are more than 24000 copies of portions of the New Testament in existence today some of which date back
           to the first century AD.
Fact2:  The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, written in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, contains all books of the Old Testament except Esther and includes a copy of the Book of Enoch. These manuscripts confirmed            
           that the Old Testament Scriptures were translated accurately for the last 2300 years.
Fact3:  The Septuagint version first translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew to Greek done by the king of Egypt Ptolemy II Philadelphus around 250 B.C. in famous library in Alexandria.
Fact4:  The quantity&specificity of fulfilled Bible prophecy is the "DNA" evidence of the God of the Bible Jesus being True Creator.
Fact5:  The early church fathers confirmed the writings of the apostles aka the New Testament canon in their writings long before the corrupt Roma Catholic church came into existence in 313 AD.
Fact6:  Archeological discoveries have confirmed specific New Testament people, places and events - The Pilate Stone discovered at the site of Caesarea Maritima in 1961, burial box of James the brother of Jesus,
           the discovery of Nazareth, Peter's house in Capernaum, pool of Siloam, The Shroud of Turin, etc...
Fact7:  First century historians confirm the existence of Jesus Christ, His miracles, His crucifixion under Pontius Pilate, His resurrection from the dead, christian disciples continuing his teachings.
Fact8:  Plenty of manuscripts, for example John Rylands MS(AD 130), Bodmer Papyrus II (AD 150-200), A.Chester Beatty Papyri (AD 200), The Muratorian Canon Fragment (AD 175) etc,etc...
Fact9:  Acknowledging the life of Jesus Christ of the Bible: Titus Flavius Josephus, non christian historian-The Complete works of Josephus, Cornelius Tacitus a Roman senator and historian AD 56-117-The Annals

The only proof of love is The Truth.

Don't be ignorant clown like this ape guy who thinks that he is a monkey living on a spinning ball. Read your Bible and ask for understanding, do your research.

Just because these things happened in the past, doesn't mean that they are not accurate today. Why should someone what to play with your word contemporary?

The point isn't the playing with words. The point is that there is lots of REAL evidence for Jesus outside of the standard biblical writings.

Evidence from Tacitus, Evidence from Pliny the Younger, Evidence from Josephus, Evidence from the Babylonian Talmud, Evidence from Lucian... https://probe.org/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources-2/.

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/14/what-is-the-historical-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died.

Both Pontius Pilate and Julius Caesar may have written about Jesus, but their writings are not known to not be forgeries.

Jewish historian Josephus and Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Jesus briefly given some credit to his historical existence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Non-Christian_sources

Of course, this doesn't change all the later inventions about his life inspired on the Old Testament "prophecies" and on the "will to believe".

Now you are talking about modern science as a religion.     

To be fair it is possible that it was a common name among the Jews, however considering that his birth and death have been used as a split on our timeline into BC and AD shows something. To have a modern calendar based on his life is amazing by any standard.

Well, that argument has been around a long time. I don't think it's been proven or disproven. I listened to a really good audio book some time ago, where the prof did a historical analysis.

https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Historical-Jesus-Audiobook/B00DC8EQOI

I guess I would comment I liked the prof's method of analysis, but of course he could not prove or disprove this question, only cite the evidence and use analytic methods and such.

Exactly.

Whenever you talk about science throughout the years or anything related to history itself you will have to mention His name, like it or not.

I've heard that one. You need something better to debate that, something more than just opinions. How can you say something so stupid when even time has been devided in a before and after Christ. Always go for the facts.

I can see from your response how closed minded and biased you are my man, I'm just showing this to glimpse to you atheists and maybe get you to wonder if you've really seen 100% of reality. God is not advertising himself asking us to believe in Him. He doesn't need us, it looks like you've read the Bible, just as a reminder let me tell you that out of all nations, there was only ONE nation that He loved. After Jesus had died for our sins we all got the opportunity to be close to God by just exerting faith in Jesus. The reason Christians are able to perform miracles among the unbelievers is because Jesus wants to show he loves every individual person believer or unbeliever. It doesn't mean however there can't be evidence to prove God is real, you can find it if you look for it. There's historic evidence, social evidence, geological all you can ask for, you simply need to accept what is real instead of showing obsessive enthusiasm towards an idea cause that's called fanaticism.

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

And.. a bonus:

https://ww w . y outube.c om/watch?v=6fz-guc0fHA