Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 30. (Read 89022 times)

It's my memory. Was it implanted by someone? I don't know. But, it is my memory.

Consider that clinically insane is something that is decided by those who often have memories that would make them appear to be clinically insane.

Think about the firm Jewish believers, and the Christians who strictly believe the Bible. Jews are a stubborn lot with regard to keeping records. They believe that the books that Moses wrote back about 3500 years ago are the truth... some of which was taken from other records that go back to the creation. In other words, the universe and the earth are about 6000 years old. They literally believe this.

But science has found that the universe is about 13.5 billion years old. That's a difference of about 13.5 billion years from what the Jews believe.

The Jews believe their written records, while science makes all kinds of assumptions about the way things were. Kinda seems that scientists are the clinically insane here. After all, there is no reason to assume that things of the past acted like they do today. There might be any number of ways that the universe came about in a short period of time, like God creating it in 6 days.

Personally, I believe the written records of the Jews. If you want to believe the assumptions of the scientists, go ahead and remain clinically unsane.

If you truly believe what you just said actually happened, you might be are clinically insane.

I might not remember before I was born too clearly, but I DO remember before I was conceived. I remember being a fuzzy ball of light with other fuzzy balls of light all around me. There was a Great Light above us all. It was too bright to look at.

I was uncertain about taking a position down here. But I had waited for a long time, watching many others go to Earth and be born. Then the Great Light seemed to indicate that there was an opening that I should fill. I was hesitant, but I made the move.

And here I am.

I'm a personal believer that when you die, it's just like before you were born.   Do you remember that?   Me neither.   This consciousness is the only life you have so live it to it's fullest.

Christians are extensions of God here on Earth. God's idea isn't to turn you off. God wants you to live with Him, so that you and He can enjoy each other's company throughout eternity. After all, eternity can seem like a long time. When you resist Him like you are doing, you are turning yourself off. Be happy that it takes as long as it does, because it won't be fun for you in the resurrection.

I believe every man is entitled to believe what he wants to believe in,. However,  there is an insatiable quest to come to the understanding of the creator of this universe... Hence the defense of science. But even science doesn't know it all

Why can't he just come here and type one post in this thread and click on the "Post" button?

Pray to him that he turns me 'off'.

See you tomorrow, lol.

just like the flow of electricity that can turn on a light bulb like that God has the power to turn on and off humans.
he is not visible to the eye but his role is clear in the world.
if you see the sun can you make it rise at night ??
of course not, all the universe and its contents have been arranged by God.

Actually, basic religion is much the same in everyone. Nobody knows for a fact what will happen to him, even in the next minute. He only believes or hopes that it will be something good, or at least that he will survive it. But he doesn't know. So, it is by religion that we live, because we believe and hope, but we don't know.

There is no need to argue about. Religion was there always there. There is always different side in every subject, different People different perception but after all these differences, what we need to do is to respect each other. Actually before, Science and Religion are helping each other to know the truth but today they both hate each other.

The flaw in the "anti-God" watchmaker arguments is, all known machines are designed and have makers.

How many man-made machines are there in the world? Loads of them, right? We know that the man-made machines are all man-made. Not one of them is not man-made, right?

Second, all the man-made machines are made from examples from the universe, right? In addition, they all use universe parts to make them work, right?... the raw materials of the earth, which themselves act like machines, right?

Since the machines all come from the same place, the difference is either:
1. Machines are not machines, or;
2. Machines are machines.

There isn't even one example of a man-made machine making itself, or being made by accident without a maker-man. So, even if we don't know who or what made the universe machines, it obviously was something that was exceedingly capable. The capability is such that it fits our dictionary definitions of God.

Why would anyone think that machines make themselves, or come into existence by accident? There is not one example of such happening. But there are tons of examples of machines being made on purpose.

Make all the guesses that you want about where the machines of the universe came from. But don't rule out the most logical choice... God. Of course, when you do rule God out, you have a religion going for yourself, because you are using the least logical idea.

Btw, science works by the choice of the scientist. If he chooses to embrace the least logical, then that's what he embraces, whether it's true or not.

Oh god why oh why must we talk about believing in god or no god why don’t we simply tell the truth.

We have not a clue. As to the non existentence or existence of god. And move on to the next question is the earth really a ball in space or a flat plain under a dome for giants to play with.

Something like the LEGO movie? Or is it more? I want to know. Don’t you.

Your explanation is much worse than mine.  Your watchmaker needs to have a watchmaker, who needs to have a watchmaker, this continues ad infinitum.  This does not explain anything.

Your maker raises more questions than it answers.  Never mind that it is just one big, culturally driven conjecture.  Nothing to do with objective observation and analysis.

What we observe is that life forms go through a natural progression from less complex ones to more complicated ones, sometimes with cruel results of producing human children without fully enclosed spines, two cojoined heads or other genetic disorders. Some watchmaker, LOL.

By the way, the universe is not a machine, it is a violent, inhospitable place where life has very little chance to form.  As far as we can tell, it was created by a violent expansion of spacetime from quantum fluctuations.  Galaxies, including our own, are on a collision course with each other.  Violent collisions are happening all the time, black holes colliding, supernovas going off, comets and asteroids colliding with the nearby planets and stars. Is this the "machine" you are talking about?  Or you are just talking about your garden on a flat disk. LOL

Physics to deal with Planck's lengths and times has not been discovered yet.  So we don't know how our local universe has started.  Maybe it didn't, maybe it was always there in one form or the other.

People were buying your explanation more than 100 years ago when most of us were ignorant and fearful.  Education, new advances in science and technology eradicates these superstitions and pushes them to the footprints of psychiatric manuals.
 

If you were there to see the way the formation of atoms happened, then you would be a super-being, yourself. Or are you really stating that you were there, or that anyone else was there to see it - LOL. Nobody living was there to see it happen. The science that suggests what you are saying is only speculation, not fact, and not anywhere near fact.

Are you not hearing me? No matter the method whereby the universe was formed, the universe is a machine made up of machines. We know this because absolutely all of our machines are made from the examples of the operating machines of and in the universe. All of our human experience shows that machines have makers. Anybody Who can make a machine of machines like our universe, fits our definition of "God."

The universe is a machine. All machines have makers. The Maker of machine-universe fits our definition of "God."

The funny thing is that you are elevating yourself to god over God by suggesting that He doesn't exist. The science of machines and machine operation shows that God exists, simply in the fact of the existence of the universe as it is.

Are you not hearing me? Or is it that you can't really think at all?

And you are not hearing me.  I do not see any results of God's actions.

What you are doing is building up your delusion to justify it.

There is absolutely no proof that the universe was made by "Someone".  Universe is the way it is just like sand dunes.
No active agent created them, yet they seem to be designed and made by someone.


Atoms in your body were naturally formed in an ancient supernova millions of light-years away from here.  You have evolved from a single cell organism, which also formed naturally.

Hard to believe, I know, but Earth is not flat an it is much older than billion of years, so is the universe.

Here is what you are missing.

You define attributes to people you can't see, by looking at the results of their actions. For example. You received your hands and arms for free. But if you lose them, there isn't any replacing of them. But if science figures out how to make you regrow them, science will want a lot of money from you to give them back to you. And even then science will be using the machinery of God that God placed in the universe.

God has given your hands and arms to you free... at least the first time around. And when you consider the greatness of the universe that He gave you and all people, you can see that at least part of the definition of God is great love. And when you see that He continues His love for you even though you want to reject Him, you are being shown that the definition of God is great love that bends over backwards to love you.

We make all our machines from examples of the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. Machine-universe was made by Someone Who was great enough to make such machinery. The definition of Someone great enough to make machine-universe is the definition that we have of God.

Of course, I respect the opinions of other people. Everyone has the right to believe or not to believe. But it seems to me that if you think a little bit and delve into the essence of the issue, it will become clear that the biblical writings are very incorrect, not suitable for the present, and contradict themselves. Therefore, I am an atheist.

How can you assign any additional attributes to some abstract construct that cannot be even defined?

You don't even know what you believe and why?

God is undefined and non-detectable.  Just like anything that does not exist.