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Quote from: af_newbie on January 06, 2019, 09:38:41 AM

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Jesus was not a historical person. The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters. It was a common name among the Jews.
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Well, that argument has been around a long time. I don't think it's been proven or disproven. I listened to a really good audio book some time ago, where the prof did a historical analysis.

https://www.audible.com/pd/The-Historical-Jesus-Audiobook/B00DC8EQOI

I guess I would comment I liked the prof's method of analysis, but of course he could not prove or disprove this question, only cite the evidence and use analytic methods and such.

michaelkelly8798

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Exactly.

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Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 06, 2019, 04:58:40 PM

Quote from: af_newbie on January 06, 2019, 09:38:41 AM

Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 05, 2019, 02:54:11 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 05, 2019, 02:06:05 PM

Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 05, 2019, 01:26:25 PM

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

I can see from your response how closed minded and biased you are my man, I'm just showing this to glimpse to you atheists and maybe get you to wonder if you've really seen 100% of reality. God is not advertising himself asking us to believe in Him. He doesn't need us, it looks like you've read the Bible, just as a reminder let me tell you that out of all nations, there was only ONE nation that He loved. After Jesus had died for our sins we all got the opportunity to be close to God by just exerting faith in Jesus. The reason Christians are able to perform miracles among the unbelievers is because Jesus wants to show he loves every individual person believer or unbeliever. It doesn't mean however there can't be evidence to prove God is real, you can find it if you look for it. There's historic evidence, social evidence, geological all you can ask for, you simply need to accept what is real instead of showing obsessive enthusiasm towards an idea cause that's called fanaticism.

Let me help you with your delusion.

Jesus was not a historical person. The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters. It was a common name among the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U

I've heard that one. You need something better to debate that, something more than just opinions. How can you say something so stupid when even time has been devided in a before and after Christ. Always go for the facts.

You don't get it, there is nothing to debate.

michaelkelly8798

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Whenever you talk about science throughout the years or anything related to history itself you will have to mention His name, like it or not.

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Quote from: af_newbie on January 06, 2019, 09:38:41 AM

Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 05, 2019, 02:54:11 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 05, 2019, 02:06:05 PM

Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 05, 2019, 01:26:25 PM

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

I can see from your response how closed minded and biased you are my man, I'm just showing this to glimpse to you atheists and maybe get you to wonder if you've really seen 100% of reality. God is not advertising himself asking us to believe in Him. He doesn't need us, it looks like you've read the Bible, just as a reminder let me tell you that out of all nations, there was only ONE nation that He loved. After Jesus had died for our sins we all got the opportunity to be close to God by just exerting faith in Jesus. The reason Christians are able to perform miracles among the unbelievers is because Jesus wants to show he loves every individual person believer or unbeliever. It doesn't mean however there can't be evidence to prove God is real, you can find it if you look for it. There's historic evidence, social evidence, geological all you can ask for, you simply need to accept what is real instead of showing obsessive enthusiasm towards an idea cause that's called fanaticism.

Let me help you with your delusion.

Jesus was not a historical person. The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters. It was a common name among the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U

I've heard that one. You need something better to debate that, something more than just opinions. How can you say something so stupid when even time has been devided in a before and after Christ. Always go for the facts.

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Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 05, 2019, 02:54:11 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 05, 2019, 02:06:05 PM

Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 05, 2019, 01:26:25 PM

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

I can see from your response how closed minded and biased you are my man, I'm just showing this to glimpse to you atheists and maybe get you to wonder if you've really seen 100% of reality. God is not advertising himself asking us to believe in Him. He doesn't need us, it looks like you've read the Bible, just as a reminder let me tell you that out of all nations, there was only ONE nation that He loved. After Jesus had died for our sins we all got the opportunity to be close to God by just exerting faith in Jesus. The reason Christians are able to perform miracles among the unbelievers is because Jesus wants to show he loves every individual person believer or unbeliever. It doesn't mean however there can't be evidence to prove God is real, you can find it if you look for it. There's historic evidence, social evidence, geological all you can ask for, you simply need to accept what is real instead of showing obsessive enthusiasm towards an idea cause that's called fanaticism.

Let me help you with your delusion.

Jesus was not a historical person. The myth was built on many "Joshua" characters. It was a common name among the Jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U

michaelkelly8798

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 05, 2019, 02:06:05 PM

Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 05, 2019, 01:26:25 PM

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

I can see from your response how closed minded and biased you are my man, I'm just showing this to glimpse to you atheists and maybe get you to wonder if you've really seen 100% of reality. God is not advertising himself asking us to believe in Him. He doesn't need us, it looks like you've read the Bible, just as a reminder let me tell you that out of all nations, there was only ONE nation that He loved. After Jesus had died for our sins we all got the opportunity to be close to God by just exerting faith in Jesus. The reason Christians are able to perform miracles among the unbelievers is because Jesus wants to show he loves every individual person believer or unbeliever. It doesn't mean however there can't be evidence to prove God is real, you can find it if you look for it. There's historic evidence, social evidence, geological all you can ask for, you simply need to accept what is real instead of showing obsessive enthusiasm towards an idea cause that's called fanaticism.

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Quote from: michaelkelly8798 on January 05, 2019, 01:26:25 PM

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29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

I've noted this previously, in response to those fools who look for religious "miracles."

the Bible itself and your very quotes from it strongly suggests that belief cannot be based on facts and evidence.

Accordingly all those religious arguing foolishly about scientific evidence for good should immediately shut the fuck up.

michaelkelly8798

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And.. a bonus:

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ATHEISTS, HERE SOME MIRACLES:

https://w ww . y outube.c om/watch?v=S_0vnBhz-Co

https://w ww . y outube.c om/watch?v=_360JitiBA0

https://w ww . y outube.c om/watch?v=UbTy3Nr59WM

https://w ww . y outube.c om/watch?v=CSQVR5FWo2o

<< John 20: 26-29

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” >>

BADecker

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Quote from: af_newbie on January 05, 2019, 09:26:47 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 04, 2019, 10:55:55 PM

Quote from: ATMD on January 03, 2019, 02:25:05 PM

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I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist.

This is the classical example of a logical error called the "Irrefutable hypothesis."

As such it is not an ANSWER, but is the PROBLEM.

An assertion resulting in conclusions necessarily based on logical errors is a flawed assertion, or the premises it is based on are flawed.

These people do not understand what a scientific hypothesis is. The lack of education is the root cause.

They don't know that God concept cannot even be a hypothesis as it is not testable and is not falsifiable.

http://projects.ncsu.edu/project/bio183de/Black/science/science_scripts.html

They just dream up shit as they go along to make themselves feel better regardless of the consequences.

You and Spendy have a good point. It might be valid if there wasn't so extremely much evidence for the existence of God. Peruse the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 thread, and you can see that there is strong evidence if not proof for the existence of God.

Since there is at least strong evidence, the idea of not knowing that God does NOT exist, because we are so weak in knowledge of what DOES exist, is an extremely valid point.

Cool

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 04, 2019, 10:55:55 PM

Quote from: ATMD on January 03, 2019, 02:25:05 PM

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I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist.

This is the classical example of a logical error called the "Irrefutable hypothesis."

As such it is not an ANSWER, but is the PROBLEM.

An assertion resulting in conclusions necessarily based on logical errors is a flawed assertion, or the premises it is based on are flawed.

These people do not understand what a scientific hypothesis is. The lack of education is the root cause.

They don't know that God concept cannot even be a hypothesis as it is not testable and is not falsifiable.

http://projects.ncsu.edu/project/bio183de/Black/science/science_scripts.html

They just dream up shit as they go along to make themselves feel better regardless of the consequences.

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Quote from: ATMD on January 03, 2019, 02:25:05 PM

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I am claiming that we are not able to see 100% of reality, therefore we can not say that God does not exist.

This is the classical example of a logical error called the "Irrefutable hypothesis."

As such it is not an ANSWER, but is the PROBLEM.

An assertion resulting in conclusions necessarily based on logical errors is a flawed assertion, or the premises it is based on are flawed.

BADecker

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