Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 33. (Read 89022 times)

@af_newbie, why should I ? Have ever why I keep on insisting that there are things that are unknown in this universe? And that includes God of Baruch Spinoza. Even you cannot explain the reasons to me that only means that you also do not know it then  why still assume that it is certain that it is not existing?

I personally can't tell the exact reason but I can say that if  i am going to use my common sense the results of the explosions might be the reason why it happen. So  maybe that was designed to make such galaxies that existed right now or even before

To identify design you need to identify the purpose and the function first.  If you don't know what they are, the talk about the design is pointless. Out of your ass assertion, not much else.

Complexity is not design.  Entropy here on Earth is decreasing, BTW.  Thanks to the energy input from the Sun.

The universe is a violent, cruel place, Earth and everything on it might be wiped out by some random asteroid at any time.  Galaxies are colliding, wiping star systems in the process, as I type this post.  Chaos and destruction are unimaginable.

If you see design in it, you do not understand much.

Why? The universe is so extremely complex that it couldn't have come about by anything but design. Two things prove this:
1. We have no evidence of complexity happening spontaneously. We don't have any example of true sponteneity at all!;
2. Entropy is essentially the breaking down of complexity. We don't have any example of entropy never existing. This means that the building of complexity has always had the rival, entropy, working against it. We have no evidence of anything that could make complexity, naturally. This means that something outside of nature designed the complexity that our universe is.

So stop talking about the design of the universe.

Ahm, I personally do not know the exact reason why it keeps on evolving as you have said the universe is too wide and as of the current technology that we have it is almost impossible to explain the unknown phenomenon. Wait then how can that be reason to consider that there is no any singular self-subsequent substance("GOD" not the personal God from religions) ?

Design has a purpose and function.    

What is the purpose of the continued creation of spacetime?

If you say it is us here on Earth, we are done.

Science has put in our hands the evidence about how things are, things like evolution and the Big Bang aren't a debate in the scientific community because they are very strong scientific theorys. If something is unknown like what happen before the big bang or even why the big bang happen scientist make hypothesis (the therm people confound with theory) about those aspects but the answer is that we don't know and there is where semi-ignorant people come to claim that if science don't have the answer religion has it: "Science can't explain what happen before the Big Bang and how and why started and is because is design and trigger by God" wtf is that? I prefer no answer before some nonsense crap that can look like plausible to some people that are afraid of death or accept that we are at the same level then any others animals and there is nothing special about us.

I recommend to @darklus123 to read the books "A Brief History of Time" by professor Stephen Hawking  and "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins, the are a good read and can change peoples way to think or at least clarify many points and why science and religion even if many people say otherwise are not compatible.

And again I would love if some religion were true, like almost all people in the world sometimes I think is sad that only have this life to enjoy I would be please if the some afterlife history were true but they aren't because even if there is no way to really prove it is unlikely to be the only part of religions that are true when the rest has been proved to be a nonsense. The thing that made me rest in peace with that struggle  is the video of Optimistic Nihilism by Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14)
PD: sorry if my english is a bit hard to understand, I like to keep it simple almost all the time because my gramma sucks.

What is wrong then if i do open that point of view to you ? It is actually making sense you just keep ignoring arguments you do not like lol.


Well maybe you are right that those were made with explosions or whatsoever then how can that be a fvcking reason for you to think that it was really made just by accident or no form were responsible for those? Were you there?


Should i be the person who should step back and look at the bigger picture of the universe?, as you have said this world is so amazing its mysteries  are also keeping us on track discoveries are made every single day. You should start taking the wider path hmm

The fvck why do you keep on going back to personal god's point view? Did i even talk about this religious sculptures you were saying?

Ok fine you are more knowledgeable when it comes to science but come'on you know I am bringing good points here that you cannot give good answers.


Haha funny even the accidents you were talking about has their own designs. You getting to my nerves you know science right? Why is that you do not even know that an explosions has designs? You know what an explosion would look like right? Then why?

Yes, you are.  You paraded Einstein/Spinoza and waved his views (pantheistic God) in my nose.

How were the first organelles formed?  Do you know?  Fucking fusion accident, that is how.  How was the universe started?  A fucking explosion (probably from a black hole singularity explosion) and expansion on space-time, that is how.  If that is not an accident that I don't know what is.  How was our Sun formed?  A result of a fucking supernova accident that is how.  Accidents upon accidents.  All follow the natural laws of Physics.

You are just a simple man looking through your 80-year window.  Step back and look outside.  The universe is incredible, huge and really, really old. Pick up some Biology/Physics books and stop reading "the goatherder's guide to the galaxy" aka religious scriptures.  

Pascal wager is worse than believing the Earth is flat because you are not honest with yourself. Flat-Earthers and Bible thumpers are convinced and in their mind, they are honest with themselves.  You are not.

We as humans would not be here if it was not for the sheer number of accidents in the past.  Think about it for a second, then you will know why nothing was 'designed'.

Am I?

Then you surely did not understood what I am talking about. Hence you are still insisting to put your argument based on the personal God which I have already stated that it was not I am referring to. Those happens for reasons we don't even know (As you have said if you don't know something then tell them you don't know) Now tell me how does that connects to God of Baruch Spinoza that I am talking about? wait I get it you are just talking about the personal God lol.


of course it was not created by accident did I even tell you that this were created by accident? or it's just that you are assuming that much?


The fact that it is unknown how did you know? for you to be able to tell me that there is no such beings who design everything you should have to be there when all of this are being designed or not right or right? or again you are just assuming? LOL.

So now you are presenting an argument from authority. LOL.  Did I put your feet too close to the fire?

I can give you countless errors in the scriptures (all religions and denominations).  Countless reasons from history.

Here are a few:

1. 6 million of Jesus' countrymen (the chosen people, WTF?) slaughtered by people who believed Jesus was the son of God.
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1755_Lisbon_earthquake in the morning of "Feast of All Saints" when all people were in (Christian) churches (which became their coffins), tallest buildings collapsed first.
3. Islamic conquest, millions of people killed, 270 million (half of the global population) by one estimate https://www.politicalislam.com/tears-of-jihad/
4. A process of evolution in all living organisms
5. Age and the size of the universe
6. Black holes
7. I can go on forever about Astrophysics if you like...Evolution of stars, galaxies, a formation of atoms, etc.

No intelligent being would 'design' a world with all of the above.  All of what you see was an accident.  And continues to be one.

If you think otherwise, please do humanity a favor and do not reproduce.

Atheism is not believe in any deities or god, many budist can be considered atheist because they not believe in any god. And when Atheism proclaim that nothing made everything? Don't know a single person that think that, we only said that we don't know, if you said it because the Big Bang theory you are wrong because it only say that all matter in the universe was compressed in a single point billions of years ago and then expanded, no such nonsense like nothing made everything,

Atheism is the belief that nothing made everything. How can nothing make everything? What can nothing do? Nothing. You don't have to see God to believe in him. Who built the house? A builder? Who painted the painting? A painter? So the house and the painting didn't make themselves? All an atheist has to do is to look at creation and use some common sense. The atheist can also ask God to show him if he exists or not. God will answer him. Just ask him to prove whether he exists, and wait for an answer. Just say something like, "God, I don't know whether you exist or not. If you do exist, please let me know for sure."

If you don't know how it happened then you are just simply gonna rest your reasoning there? The God of the Gaps you were actually talking about is just also invented by someone like you and it is so broad to understand(kindly tell me then your definition of God cause if you do only focus your answer base on the God the most religions believed in then your reasoning goes out of the window.


Albert Einstein once said "I am not an atheist" and prefers to call him agnostic (Which only means that if you don't know something. It doesn't mean that it did not exist) Therefore you bragging that it is already certain that God is not existing even if you still do not know is also purely biased.

Again I am talking about the God of Baruch Spinoza here not a personal God. Now tell me why are you too certain?


for reference link below
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

That is why I love scientific method, someone said: Science is fallow evidence to an answer, faith is make evidence for a desire answer (something like that). If we can't have the answer for something right now is no problem for me, even if what we actually known change is not a problem either because I trust scientific method and known that it is the more closest thing near the truth.

So, you believe in the "God of the Gaps".

If you don't know how something happened, an intellectually honest position is to say: "I don't know how it happened.", not to invent an answer.

If you do, your epistemology goes out of the window.

@azkielt,
Its kinda really hard cause you have a lot of questions that was never answered. That might be the reason why you have that kind of perspective. On my part, there are also alot of things that science still can't explain even if we say that its evolving it is still has a lot of holes to fill. I am also aware of the possibilities that it may not be able to fill those holes.

That is my perspective which also leads me thinking that there should be a start and created everything

I like you dude, I have read your answers in the Flat Earth nonsense post. I always respect how religious people only apply the goods parts of the Bible (letting aside the extremists that every group have). I don't believe in any god and in any supernatural thing, I wish something of that exist (for my point of view) because who don't want  eternal life, going to Olympus or whatever magical thing all religions told that happens when we die.
Thank for the words but the more I research about religions (trying do it for an objective point of view) more atheist I become. To much unanswered questions no only in the Bible, but in all other religious books.
I believe in science, more specific in the scientific method, the one that has give to us all we actually have now and give me all the answer that I want.

So, the people of God are only the Ancient Israel people, if I remember right even in the new testament says that only the people of the 12 tribes of Israel are going to heaven and why are people who aren't from Israel fallowing a religion that doesn't mention people from other places? And how do you know that is only for them? Do he, she or it put a topic to the letter, e-mail, telegram or whatever like: "Only to people of Israel" or a PD like: "Until X of month Y and year Z".
How do you know that "Love God above all things, and your neighbor as yourself." is for us and not only to Ancient Israel people? Did he, she or it specify it?
And Romans destroyed the Ancient Israel? It seems like Yawe or whatever the name is, is not so powerful if he, she or it let them die.

Didn't you say that you read most of the Bible through? Did you forget most of what you read?

It's an extremely good thing that you are asking questions. But ask them from a standpoint of believing what God says, not trying to pick on Him because you think He is unfair.

Remember that I was picking on you for picking on CoinCube in the wrong way... without knowing what the Bible says... or do you know?

Just because the Word of God was given to the Jews or Hebrew people, doesn't necessarily mean that it doesn't apply to other people, as well. But if you don't know where the Bible talks about such application, or if it does, why aren't you into it to find out what it says? Because it tells you when the commandments are for you, and when they are not. You are alive, so find your position in life as it is written in the Bible.

Visit with a local Pastor of a local Bible church, and he will show you the parts of the Bible that apply to you and why.