Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 38. (Read 89184 times)

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Regarding "God of the gaps," Google it. Wikipedia has a reasonable description of it, but read what it says, not what it seems to say if you breeze over it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps. God of the gaps talks about the fallacy of intelligent design for proving the existence of God. However, when you add intelligent design to the machine quality of the universe, machines have makers, and intelligent design is how machines are made. This proves God.

Wow! Thanks, Af_newbie for responding to my post.  Could you please tell me how you do that? Or anyone? How do you inclosed another person's post on your own, when you reply. Sorry, I really am a newbie.

God of the gaps? I never heard of this term before, so I had to look it up, and I found the youtube video with Neil Degrasse Tyson, (one of my favorites) talking about it, so I saw where you I got your reference to lightning being caused by Zeus being angry...😄

I am and always was enthralled with science. I am thrilled with each new discovery. Perhaps if you read my post again you would understand this. My logic follows science.

Quantum physics, String theory/Theory of everything,  is about a far out as you can get! The more I learn about it (and before that Einstein's theory, or law), the more I am thrilled I am. Of course, there are vibrating strings that connect different dimensions of existence together. This makes sense to me as a musician and a clinical music therapist.

I would love to write endlessly on this topic as I love it but will stop here for now.

My apologies for the inability to express my concept of God as being much more flexible than you have assumed.

Nothing in our world has been created in the normal way. There is no reason behind the creation of mountains, mountains, rivers, stream canals, beel, oceans, oceans, creatures, animals, the sky, the underworld, the Chad, the sun, everything that seems Moving forward with motion, and surely someone is converting them, and it is one and unique, believing it and accepting the face is a believer, and we believe in that, so we nose That's not it.

It all depends on your definition of God or Gods etc. God to me is life force. The intelligence that has manifested our physical Universe, and also animating dark matter, which is much larger than what we can see, is hard to put a name on. But for convenience, I call it God/Goddess. I only say  God/Goddess because there is no singling out of yin and yang forces. It's all together, and forever moving and changing. Two forces of creation.

I agree with you 100% that religion is ridiculous!  It is a religion that you are against, and me as well.  And you're right, religion is used as an excuse to commit all kinds of heinous crimes.

I have no patience for organized religion of any kind, as far as the idea of following it blindly. I do like to study the stories of various religions, as they can give a lot of insight into the thinking of that particular culture, and are often filled with wisdom.

I am interested in life force. Your explanation of us as an organized bunch of atoms that has somehow accidentally gained consciousness is backward. We are a life force that has chosen to amass and organize a bunch of atoms, to do what we like with them, to create something.  We go back to nothing, in your meaning, lose our form, yes, but we don't need any form to be conscious.  Consciousness does not come from matter. Matter comes from consciousness.  

You mention quantum physics. There is an intelligence animating the subatomic particles. The latest subatomic particle, the Higgs Boson, is nicknamed the God Particle because it has a sticky field. It draws other particles to it. Something is animating it.

Light is made up of photons. Descartes in 1637 stated that light was made up of particles called corpuscles. In 1672 Sir Isaac Newton championed this opinion that light is indeed made up of particles. Then in 1678 the Dutch Physicist, Christiaan Huygens, along with Robert Hooke, believed that light was made up as waves. And then in 1905 Einstein said these waves are made up of packages of energy, and he called them photons,  based on his friend Max Planck's research.

Subatomic particles have been known to blink in and out of existence. Sometimes they are observed as a wave or particle. They change and go out of sight and reappear.

My physics professor uses to say to us it is impossible to observe something without changing the behavior of it, regardless of what it is. As an example, he said, if someone said, "Be Normal, I am observing you! Would you be normal? " He said it was the same in an experiment in Physics or Chemistry. The act of conducting an experiment or the act of observation will change it in some way.  There is some underlying intelligence going on.

Einstein developed the theory of Relativity and concluded that time was flexible. It always depends on the view of the observer.

In other words, we determine what it is we see and experience by interacting with it.

The mass that makes up the existence of our body and everything around us that we experience as matter,  is existing or manifesting, according to our interpretation, our understanding.

Intelligence and emotions seem to create our physical world. You can't deny that the physical body responds to something invisible, such as our emotions, and this, in turn, drives our chemical and hormonal body to either repair or destroy our body, and to either strengthen or weaken our immune system.

If you tune in, there is something much bigger than what we think of as us. Our intelligence goes in an out of our bodies as we live or die. And also there is a united network or field of consciousness.

We can communicate with each other telepathically but also with other forms of intelligence that we don't see in bodies.

Our bodies are byproducts, not the source of our intelligence.  

So this is God, to me. God is creation and destruction and we have a part in this as to what we put our focus on. Our will is God's will when we are open to this intelligence. And it does not have anything to do with following a set of rules called a religion, or a  priest, teacher or guru, blindly. Then it gets goofy.  We ourselves always have the best, and most direct connection to source,  to all intelligence within us.  Universal intelligence is within and without us.

I have heard about this rubbish quite a few times. Some of my Catholic friends have told me that I will burn in hell, if I don't convert to Christianity and believe in Jesus Christ. I studied their religion and found that there is a long list of banned items. A lot of things, from masturbation to condoms are banned in Christianity. I politely told them that I don't want to convert to such a restrictive religion.

Well, it certainly isn't the god you are portraying yourself to be when you talk like you know all kinds of things better than God does.

You only have morals because God built all people with knowledge of the law inside of them. You can choose to disobey the law of God within you, but it is difficult for any of us to see the law clearly enough to obey it perfectly. This is why God gave us the Bible, in part, so that we could read the law clearly when we were having trouble seeing it within ourselves.

By far the greatest killing was done by people who didn't care about religion or the law within themselves very much, or the law written in the religious books: Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Temujin, etc.

A scientist discovered the on/off button of consciousness. By stimulating a part of the brain, anyone will lose consciousness automatically.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329762-700-consciousness-on-off-switch-discovered-deep-in-brain/

Believers will say he just discovered the way to interrupt the communications between the "soul" and the body.

Of course, they can't explain why, after recovering consciousness, the "soul" can't remember anything from the time the body/brain was out.

Even if religions/churches were useful (on the last part of the OP, I wrote why I think they are not), supposedly, they should also be based on actual real things, not on an imaginary pal and his close family.

A pal who (believers on him say) loves you so much that he will burn you in hell if you don't love him back, you don't believe in him or also if, on an honest mistake, you love one of his competitors who sells the same product ("divinity services" in exchange for adoration and a big chunk of your assets to his church; or else...).

Agree. People turn their backs on religion because they are not contented on love and they want amazing things to happen to make them believe it's true. Athiest only exist because they disagree on things on Bible that are not real.

Another minor update, taking in account the confirmation that the remains at Jebel Irhoud are from modern humans and, so, that god left us without guidance for about 350,000 years and not just 200,000:
https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v546/n7657/full/nature22336.html
https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v546/n7657/full/nature22335.html

Yes, atheists only think about all the concrete. There is one statement that I think is untrue, believers do not create their own god. but the various ways they make their god real. God actually exists in their own hearts.

Good luck to your battles.


My english is not that good.
Good luck.


I would say that those believes make you a religious person.

If you are an atheist and it works for you then I'm happy for you. I'm not religious myself but i do believe in a higher being than myself. It gives me a purpose to strive and be better. It gives me a governing rule for people around me out side the laws of the land. It also gives me hope, that whatever good i do here on this life will be rewarded in the next

Holy wow bro first I thought wall of text no way. But after reading that whole thing for the last half hour or so I must say thank you kindly for making this post. I was already a practicing atheist but you hit the nail on square

on the head with your post. I can now take some well thought out concrete like points with me into battle, thanks again you the man!

I'm not an atheist but I somewhat disagree on what religious people tells me. I would like to describe my God as someone who gives us so much freedom, so much freedom that we destroy everything and he/she is just watching us like we were in an aquarium.

Or maybe God is planning something.(words of the faithful)

In my own opinion, religion was created by people to give hope for the weak, but religion now grew so big it became a group who just wanted to control people.

I am born and baptized as a Christian, Roman Catholic to be precised. I read few pages of the bible and noticed that the God from the old testament and the new are different. My own theory is, when you read some of the pages from the old testament; you may notice that God was like a dictator, he always punish the bad and show miracles to the good, you may also notice that God directly talks to people and gave them instructions. But in new testament, God just sent his most favorite spirit who happened to be Jesus, you may also notice that God became merciful on this part of the book. And I strongly disagree that God and Jesus are one, which most of faithful Christians think about.

As for #8 which was about creation, I can't give you a definite and proven answer but you can have my philosophical view about it:

You can't just simply put everything in an instant. Everything is associated with TIME, but I'm not sure if God is included in it. We can't force a newborn child to become a full grown adult in a blink of an eye, where's the beauty in that? If it ever happens; we won't be able to identify what molded his ways of thinking, everything starts at nothing into something. As the song of Miley Cyrus goes- "Ain't about how fast I get there, Ain't about what's waiting on the other side; It's the climb". Let TIME define everything. Honestly, it's hard to tell it in words(I know it, but it's beyond my description).


As for your question, who created God?:

Let God solve his own problem, but if God asked me for help, I would say- sure, after I solved mine.

sorry if my grammar and writing is bad

P.S: I'm trying to make a manga out of all the questions of life and death but I need to be a good writer first. You can be my ghost writer but you will only get paid if the manga became successful.  

You might want to add Buddha's teaching and Scientology.

The above post deserved at least some flame or bashing from some believer.

If god existed, he would ask with anxiety "Who created me?".

Everything is just so much twisted upside down, it should not be an atheist the one to explain why something which there is no proof of doesn't exist, but it should a believer the one who has to explain WHY he believes that something like that exists.

I believe in the existence of a super natural being(s). Personally i have been brought up in a liberal family and i have made my personal pursuits.

But there are many real things in my own life that cant be explained by mere science. I believe in the existence of supernatural beings who oversee some parts of our lives, but i dont think any religion is accurate in the allegations they make. I agree that many parts of the religious literature feel like personal feelings and imaginations.

Good post, thank you.