Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 35. (Read 89184 times)

If you want to believe about your HexHronoExus, go right ahead. But do you see what you just said? You said validity.

Almost all religions are based on faith. Faith means not having 100% knowledge, but it also means having enough knowledge so that one can see that it might be factual. The Christian religion fits this. If you believe your HexHronoExus thing has enough evidence, put your faith in it.

Just remember, the second most printed book in the world has been published less than half the times that the Bible has. And that book isn't even a religious book. The point is that this evidence, alone, gives the Bible great strength. When you add to it the fact of 25,000 hand-copied New Testaments from the old days, and the next nearest was only in the range of 900, and next to that was almost nothing - only 5 ancient, hand copies of Plato - the Bible and Christianity have some zest to them that nothing else has.

If we never had invented the printing press, there would still be thousands upon thousands of Bibles, hand copied. But there wouldn't be more than one of Darwin. The Bible has strength.

Now you are talking just silly.

You believe in things that you don't know, but that you have some evidence for. The things that you know, are the things that you don't believe in. Why don't you believe them? Because you know them.

For example, when you sit down at the table for a meal, do you believe that the chair is there? Or don't you? You don't believe it. You know it. You know it so well that you don't even think about it. You simply go and sit down.

If you don't understand that there is some evidence that spirits exist outside the body, you have been leading a sheltered life... very sheltered. All you need do is some Internet searches to see that there is evidence. Since there is evidence of out of body, why do you think that you know that spirits don't exist outside the body? You sound a little like you are missing some part of your brain.

As far as your HexHronoExus, I don't know what it is, and at the moment, I don't much care. But why would I consider you insane if you know it exists. I mean, if you have such a belief, that's between you and the wall. But... don't you think that you should examine what it is that you said up there^^^? You didn't say belief that it exists. You said Know that it exists. Then you said that you believe that you know. You are talking about something that everybody does about something. Are you trying to say that people are insane, and get me to agree with you about something that you are unclear on?

On top of that, when you say that I believe in a story, look around and see all the stories that people believe in. But they don't do it for lack of some evidence. They do it because they see evidence that is not conclusive. If the evidence were conclusive, they would know it and wouldn't have to believe.

If you have never been to China, how do you know that it exists? You believe it very strongly because you have a bunch of faith in a whole lot of people who say they have been there... who are showing you pictures that they  say come from there... are doing things that they claim have to do with China. But you only have strong faith in China, because you have never been there yourself, and you don't know for a fact.

I don't know if that is my final answer. But there is more evidence for the idea that emotions, soul, spirit, and mind, are a whole lot more than figments of "simple" brain bio-electrics.

How do you know that your mind or identity are inside your brain? You have been saying that science hasn't been able to even find these things, even though they are obvious. Think about the following, and apply it.

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Go to a railroad track somewhere, and get down and place your ear on the track. You can hear a train coming from great distances away. The track is solid, but you can hear the train farther away than you can hear it through the air. In other words, sound travels through solids.

Same with under water. Sounds that you hear underwater are different than the way you hear them through the air. But they are there, and sometimes even clearer.

Now don't jump into preconceived notions of what I am about to say next >>> Consider the aether that notbatman talks about now and again. He talks about it, but doesn't ever really explain what it is. There isn't much explanation about it anywhere, except that some people think that it exists.

Next, consider the vibration aspect of electromagnetic waves moving through space. Sound uses material to vibrate through. What does electromagnetic vibration vibrate through? What is the medium that light waves use? Light is to what, as sound is to the material it vibrates through?

We call it empty space, because it seems empty to us. But the reason it seems empty, is that our bodies are actually made up of subatomic particles/vibrations, electromagnetic energy waves traveling in circular motion, reacting off each other, and off the medium that they are traveling through, right? So, everything is electromagnetic waves way down deep into the microcosm.

This means that there is a "substance" (that some people call the aether) that everything vibrates through, electromagnetically. We don't know much of anything about that substance. And the reason we don't is that it is a different form of substance than the substance of complexly interacting electromagnetic waves that material is made up of.

And it seems that we are intentionally focused away from examining it... Einstein didn't have the training for the things he spouted, but they seem to work. So where did he get his ideas that seem to be so accurate? And why did he look away from the idea of explaining the aether when it seems that it would be a logical thing for electromagnetic waves to be traveling through?

Now, don't answer those questions... at least without considering the point, first.

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The point is, we don't know, and seem to be shutting ourselves off from, the answers to your questions, of how the soul and emotions can exist outside of the brain. But we don't know that they don't. And we don't know that they can't. And the evidence that they might, lies in understanding that there might be a whole lot more to the medium that electromagnetic waves travel through, than is outwardly admitted in standard scientific circles.

Personally, I think the mind can work through the spirit and soul to manipulate the fabric of space, itself.

I have seen some of the things that you post. Some of them are quite intelligent. So, why haven't you thought about looking through dictionaries, encyclopedias, and books on the subjects you are trying to find out about?

Science has virtually torn the brain apart. They know all about its connections and workings. But they still haven't been able to find the mind. They barely know how to start taking hold of the natural neural net that constitutes what the mind is.

So, they aren't going to have it easy when it comes to the complex mind, the emotions and "I am" identity. These things are along the lines of what the soul and spirit are.

Why are you so adamantly set against the facts of soul and spirit and emotion and mind, when these things are in use all day long... even by you. Advance along with science, and help find out what they are instead of denying the obvious. It's almost like you have a religion that wants to limit your thinking.

Yep, I know how to do it right. I'll tell you how. Let God work doing it right in you/me. He does this by working Jesus-salvation faith in me. He works this saving faith through His Holy Spirit that binds Himself to the part of me that is salvation faith, and strengthens that part. He can do this for you if you only will weaken yourself enough that you can't resist Him any longer.

The problem of acceptance from believers that religion adoption is a matter of successful use of violence (mainly, conquest) or coercive and manipulative family education is that makes the spread of religions not a matter of its truthfulness, but a result of military and social trends.

Having one or another religion is essentially a question of random facts: someone born on a christian family, another on a Islamic one, etc.

Seeing here the "hand of god" leads to the conclusion that Islam is the truth religion, since it's the one growing faster (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Demographics).

On the other hand, we might conclude also that god thinks atheism is right, taking in account how much it has grown on the last century. On many countries in Europe or on China there are already a majority of atheists.

While this is true, the greatest reason for the spread of Christianity is that God is bringing people to Christianity through the work of His Holy Spirit.

People often don't do it right. But since this whole world is dying - people usually don't live much longer than 100 years - salvation for Heaven is what counts. And such is what Christianity is all about.

This last post deserved at least some bashing from some believer.

Christianity spread faster in small, politically structured societies
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0379-3

Their argument is supported by many historical evidence.

Historically, adoption of a religion has been mainly a coercive reality and not the result of a journey of self-discovery (of course, with some individual exceptions).

Families adopted a religion because their King or invaders embraced it (the history of Christianity with Constantine, Protestantism or Islam confirms it) and directly or indirectly forced this upon them.

Kids adopt a religion because their parents induce this, by early indoctrination or punishment. It's no surprise that most people have the religion of their parents.

Obviously you haven't read the Bible very well, have you.

Sounds like your choice is a political choice, rather than what is real and practical.

I am not an atheist because I haven't heard of Jesus or read the bible, quite the opposite

I am an atheist BECAUSE I have read the bible... the bible says hundreds of evil things... everything from endorsing slavery, to endorsing murder and genocide... it is an EVIL book.  Period.  End of story.  How would an onmibenevolent God allow people to write such things about him?  If I were God, I would not endorse slavery in my holy book.  Sorry, I cannot accept that

It is simply not possible for God to be omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent, yet allow evil to exist in the world.  If God was all-knowing, all-loving, and all-powerful, evil would not exist... it's really that simple... the God of the bible is self-contradictory.  This is all the proof you need that god does not exist

It has surely to do with education. I am sure we get introduced to religion since childhood. Moreover, you learn about it from people you live with it or on daily basis. Maybe you are not ready. Philosophy, science and religion are the same. Their role is to teach people. They just show us what can be done in a society and what should not. I know that science and religion clashes often but it is because people were immature in the past. Philosophy, the mother of all sciences is closely linked to religion. The first universities were created by priests. I believe people are atheist because they lack knowledge or are just not ready to open their heart.

What does being independently wealthy have to do with being an atheist?

 

I am an atheist because i don't want to work for someone and make that person rich from my work.

This thread have been repeating all over again. Well as far as the bitcoin is concern, religion can be bias and with political views that some people does not want at their own. Most probably people are earning love nor people are earning money in getting what they want just because they attach or stick to their own. In my personal experience, religion forms heirarchy wherein people can be renowned in her own ways. Some religion claim that they are saved. Anything that is rude to me is not similiar in everybody's eyes. So it does mean that all of us have their own views and prerogative on what religion you will took.

Everybody who is an atheist, is so because he wants to be, not because there is any lack of evidence/proof for the existence of God.

Life’s better without him
Religion is about control and limitation. Rules, laws and rituals that restrict and govern behaviour. In some cases – say the genital mutilation of infants in barbaric rites of passage practised by religions such as Judiasm – they actually persuade nice people to do awful things.

Which is to say nothing of the countless other horrors committed in the name of God and religion. Suicide bombings, torture, genocide, forced marriages, unwanted babies, war – the list is endless.

A life without religion and without God thus offers freedom from all of these miseries. It offers a person the opportunity to do what they like, in line with their own moral code, within the parameters of the society in which they live. Each decision to be taken is evaluated on its own merits, weighing up the pros and cons, and is not forced down a path by a pre-existing code of conduct dating from a time of ignorance and superstition.

There aren't any atheists, because way down deep, nobody believes that God doesn't exist. The fact that someone suggests that God doesn't exist, shows that this so-called atheist is setting himself up to be a god, by suggesting something that he can't know for a fact... that God doesn't exist. So, he is self-contradictory setting himself up as a god, while at the same time claiming that he doesn't exist when he says that God doesn't exist.

We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.