Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 37. (Read 89022 times)

Some interesting facts:

http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2018/
Countries on the top 10 are some of the most non-religious ones.
I'm not saying that there is a causation relationship between atheism and happiness, but the common myth that religious people are happier was debunked by this report.

On statistics, there are some contradictory visions, but they seem to be caused by opposite trends:

On western countries, including the USA, there is a clear trend to an increase of atheists and other non-religious people. But in Africa and some parts of Asia, demographics are still increasing the number of religious people.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/160422-atheism-agnostic-secular-nones-rising-religion/
"The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion"
"There have long been predictions that religion would fade from relevancy as the world modernizes, but all the recent surveys are finding that it’s happening startlingly fast."
Even if in Africa "religion is growing so fast that nones’ share of the global population will actually shrink in 25 years".

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/23/most-religious-countries-least-religious_n_3640033.html
"Globally, the number of those claiming to be religious has dropped by 9 percent from 2005 to 2011, while the number of people identifying themselves as atheists has risen by 3 percent.
3. Four countries have experienced a drop in religiosity in their populations that is greater than 20 percent between 2005 and 2012. France and Switzerland saw decreases of 21 percent, while Ireland’s number of faithful declined by 22 percent and Vietnam’s by 23 percent."

https://www.conservapedia.com/Global_atheism_statistics
Of course, says "Atheism is in decline worldwide".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

Have you been hurt so badly that you won't make it to Heaven? Have your enemies really harmed you so badly that they turned you away from God and Heaven? In your case, some of them have repented and made it to Heaven. But you won't even be able to see them from Hell. But if you do see them, your torment will be so great that the sight of them will only bring you more torment.

You are right. But "repentance" alone is too broad.

Dictionary.com says repent means:
In other words, the most vile of human beings might feel sorry about something he did. He might truly wish he had not done that bad thing. And the fact that he is still alive shows the forgiveness of God.

Okay, great. But what about salvation to eternal life? Nobody can repent enough to make it to Heaven, right? I mean, if you could repent sufficiently in this life, you would stop getting older to the point where you wouldn't die? Why? Because you would be forgiven all the way. Aging shows that people can't repent enough to stay alive.

So, what is it that a person needs to repent of to gain eternal life in Heaven? And if he repents of this, will he stop doing bad things? - after all, he will continue to age. And he still might curse a bit, or smoke and drink at times, or hurt somebody's feelings by what he says, or even steal once in a while, or not honor his parents properly on occasion, or talk bad about someone falsely, or be tempted into having covetous desires for something that is not his, or dabble in science theory which borders on a form of witchcraft if not being such, or if he is a cop, kill somebody.

Repentance of none of these will save him from death to eternal life in Heaven. So, what is it that you have to repent of to get to Heaven?

No Christian believes or practices this way of life, and if he does, then he is making a mockery of the religion and God. He would not considered to be a real Christian, just someone trying to take advantage of forgiveness. We can lie to others, but we can't lie to ourselves or to God.

Sincerity in repentance is the key to being forgiven.

Well I just think that maybe there are something odd and unusual in this world, but I'm not religious that's all

Well, it's party time.

Enjoy.

Or you could have a secular legal framework that accomplishes pretty much the same.  Religions were needed in the past, I agree.

You needed an invisible guy in the sky to control a horde of barbarians at your city gates.  But not today.

Besides, religions today are pretty much ineffective even in their primary function, to scare people not to do bad stuff.

How many priests sexually abused little children today?  But who is counting?  Not Christians or Pope, that is for sure.

Christians drink, do drugs, hit their wives, sexually abuse their children then go to confession on Sunday and all is good and forgiven.

How is that system suppose to work?  I do something bad, then go to confession, I am all cleared and can sin again.
At least with the secular law, you end up in jail and get some real punishment.

If God would separate bad men from their heads in an instance, well, that is God I would follow.

They are selling an invisible product, with delivery after you die, but you have to pay upfront in cash. LOL.
How gullible can you be?

Thanks for the vid. I was referring to the logic that religion was invented to deter stupid people from committing bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence. Anything that could deter stupid people from committing bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence is a good thing in my opinion.

As good as any Jesus camp near you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

So religion is good then. We don't want stupid people committing bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence.

Religion was invented in order to deter stupid people so that fewer people commit bad deeds, murder, robbery, violence. All religion is needed to restrain the masses of people for certain needs and, of course, to earn money for the state, money laundering.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322       

I'm good with that, but you ain't gonna do away with the Knights Templar, are you? Or Johnny Cash's lyrics? Like, all that rich myth and lore is part of the non-God-universe....

And what would we do without the stupid Wiccans? Darn, or the Club of Satan? It can only exist in opposition.

I kind of like the theme of 2001, although the last part falls short a bit. Get to Jupiter, and KAZAMM! You get the universe, baby!

But regardless, the fundamentals of today to be concerned with are the Islamics. Christianity, if you think about it, created the very culture which permits and encourages the discussion of atheism we are having. Those Islamic whackjobs'll just kill you.

Exactly.  Let's not pretend we do by making some outlandish claims that a Jewish rabbi created the universe, holy trinity musketeers etc.

So whos the creator?

  Exactly. Modern science doesn't even fully understand exactly what the universe is made of, hence "dark energy" and "dark matter." The explanation may be that our mathematical theories are inadequate or there truely is "stuff" out there that we have absolutely no idea of what it actually is.

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. … Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

That statement has been guarded against in the various creeds by making the JC "the son of god" with a bunch of mumbo jumbo about trinity, and various other beliefs such as "personal relationship with God," eg, not a low level representative of him.

But there is no question, the universe is far wider and richer than we can ever know, and we have only seen a small amount of what is likely out there.

Hmm, if we found rocks in the moon core with a high content of lithium, this may be possible. Don't you know that modern pharmacology has it's roots in people performing "magic" and brewing up potions? Some of that "magic" actually worked.