Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 42. (Read 89022 times)

That is correct. However, the fact that you as an atheist are making such a point of it, shows that you are religiously minded.

Touché

Why you think I am stupid?  Because I reject the Bible/Quran/Talmud that tells me to kill people or own slaves?  Is that why?

I'm open to examine ANY evidence of your God.  You think that I (and millions of people like me) would not follow up on it?

Give me ANY evidence, and I'll believe in your God, aliens or unicorns.

BTW, why you don't believe that aliens and unicorns exist but you do believe some undefined entity exists. 

Why?  Please don't say "because the Bible says so".

The Dead Sea Scrolls have been verified to be authentic. They are as much as 2,400 years old. They contain the Book of Isaiah and other books from the Bible. These are the same as they are in the hand the Hebrew Bible of today, except for one change.

One change where the whole Hebrew Bible has changed slightly over the hundreds of years, is that you will not find the letters of the Hebrew alphabet to be formed exactly as they were. So, the Hebrew originals are slightly different just like people can be identified because their hand writing is slightly different.

Also, over the years, there have been some grammatical changes that have been noted. They have been noted so that everyone can see that there is no change to the originals other than to make easier reading, grammatically. It's like English, when you add or remove a comma from a writing here and there, or when you join two words in English to make smoother reading. It doesn't change the meaning. It simply makes it easier to read.

But if you are talking  translations... Translations are going to be different, because of the way people think in different languages. The words of one language often don't fit the words of another language exactly. So, there have to be changes, and there is often disagreement among scholars about which translations say it the best. But the original Hebrew Bible has not changed over the hundreds of years, copy to copy.

Since the Hebrew people have held it together for all this time when they did not have their own nation, why would anyone think that they did not hold it together in the times when they DID have their own nation? These people are stinking stubborn. They are so stubborn that here they are back again, since 1948/49, with something like 1800 to 1900 hundred years of having no nation. So why would you think that they aren't stubborn enough to hold the Bible together accurately? And when you throw in the idea of God doing it, the whole thing becomes much stronger.

I could go on and on. And I have all over this thread and others that talk about God and Israel, the Hebrew nation. And, you can get out there and investigate about Israel yourself. But you are talking against the Guy Who holds your life in His hand when you bad-mouth His people - rotten though they may be at times. And that is dangerous.

Most important to this post is that the Bible has not changed except cosmetically over the years.

We didn't have robots back then, right?  Each hand-copied version contained errors. 

You have no idea what parts of the bible are simply lies.

The "earth" flooded was probably a local flood that got misquoted in a copy.

 

You don't have to look anywhere to prove that God described by people in the 'sacred' texts does not exist.  
It is right there in the 'sacred' texts. People describe what they want the God to be, misogynistic, masochistic killer.

The rest of your post makes no sense.  Do winged horses exist?  It is like asking "do you believe in aliens?".

I say with ~100% probability (based on direct observations) that God, winged horses and aliens do not exist.

If I see any of them in flesh, I will change my mind.  Until then it only makes sense to assume they do not exist.

Assuming that they exist is foolish, wishful thinking.  Good ideas for writing a novel or a movie script.

So yes, I am 0.0001% Agnostic and 0.9999% Atheist, if that is what you want to hear.

Now you are talking just silly.

You believe in things that you don't know, but that you have some evidence for. The things that you know, are the things that you don't believe in. Why don't you believe them? Because you know them.

For example, when you sit down at the table for a meal, do you believe that the chair is there? Or don't you? You don't believe it. You know it. You know it so well that you don't even think about it. You simply go and sit down.

If you don't understand that there is some evidence that spirits exist outside the body, you have been leading a sheltered life... very sheltered. All you need do is some Internet searches to see that there is evidence. Since there is evidence of out of body, why do you think that you know that spirits don't exist outside the body? You sound a little like you are missing some part of your brain.

As far as your HexHronoExus, I don't know what it is, and at the moment, I don't much care. But why would I consider you insane if you know it exists. I mean, if you have such a belief, that's between you and the wall. But... don't you think that you should examine what it is that you said up there^^^? You didn't say belief that it exists. You said Know that it exists. Then you said that you believe that you know. You are talking about something that everybody does about something. Are you trying to say that people are insane, and get me to agree with you about something that you are unclear on?

On top of that, when you say that I believe in a story, look around and see all the stories that people believe in. But they don't do it for lack of some evidence. They do it because they see evidence that is not conclusive. If the evidence were conclusive, they would know it and wouldn't have to believe.

If you have never been to China, how do you know that it exists? You believe it very strongly because you have a bunch of faith in a whole lot of people who say they have been there... who are showing you pictures that they  say come from there... are doing things that they claim have to do with China. But you only have strong faith in China, because you have never been there yourself, and you don't know for a fact.

How do you know that your mind or identity are inside your brain? You have been saying that science hasn't been able to even find these things, even though they are obvious. Think about the following, and apply it.

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Go to a railroad track somewhere, and get down and place your ear on the track. You can hear a train coming from great distances away. The track is solid, but you can hear the train farther away than you can hear it through the air. In other words, sound travels through solids.

Same with under water. Sounds that you hear underwater are different than the way you hear them through the air. But they are there, and sometimes even clearer.

Now don't jump into preconceived notions of what I am about to say next >>> Consider the aether that notbatman talks about now and again. He talks about it, but doesn't ever really explain what it is. There isn't much explanation about it anywhere, except that some people think that it exists.

Next, consider the vibration aspect of electromagnetic waves moving through space. Sound uses material to vibrate through. What does electromagnetic vibration vibrate through? What is the medium that light waves use? Light is to what, as sound is to the material it vibrates through?

We call it empty space, because it seems empty to us. But the reason it seems empty, is that our bodies are actually made up of subatomic particles/vibrations, electromagnetic energy waves traveling in circular motion, reacting off each other, and off the medium that they are traveling through, right? So, everything is electromagnetic waves way down deep into the microcosm.

This means that there is a "substance" (that some people call the aether) that everything vibrates through, electromagnetically. We don't know much of anything about that substance. And the reason we don't is that it is a different form of substance than the substance of complexly interacting electromagnetic waves that material is made up of.

And it seems that we are intentionally focused away from examining it... Einstein didn't have the training for the things he spouted, but they seem to work. So where did he get his ideas that seem to be so accurate? And why did he look away from the idea of explaining the aether when it seems that it would be a logical thing for electromagnetic waves to be traveling through?

Now, don't answer those questions... at least without considering the point, first.

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The point is, we don't know, and seem to be shutting ourselves off from, the answers to your questions, of how the soul and emotions can exist outside of the brain. But we don't know that they don't. And we don't know that they can't. And the evidence that they might, lies in understanding that there might be a whole lot more to the medium that electromagnetic waves travel through, than is outwardly admitted in standard scientific circles.

Personally, I think the mind can work through the spirit and soul to manipulate the fabric of space, itself.

Your identity is inside your brain, I agree.  Your emotions are inside your brain.  You can call them spirit(s), no issues.

But do you believe spirits exist outside of your brain? What are they made of?

Where is the Holy Spirit, or any other spirit, other than human emotions located?

Forget your Christian mythology for a second, and think about the spirits, what are they and where are they right now?

Are they in our physical universe or outside of it?

If they are like God, residing outside of the known universe they are indistinguishable from things that do not exist such as fairies.

I think that this "spirit" idea is a fundamental concept of any religion.  

Once you unpack that, the rest of the storyline falls apart like a house of cards.

So it was a serious question: what are the spirits made of and where do they live?  And more specifically what is the Holy Spirit made of and where does he live?

I have seen some of the things that you post. Some of them are quite intelligent. So, why haven't you thought about looking through dictionaries, encyclopedias, and books on the subjects you are trying to find out about?

Science has virtually torn the brain apart. They know all about its connections and workings. But they still haven't been able to find the mind. They barely know how to start taking hold of the natural neural net that constitutes what the mind is.

So, they aren't going to have it easy when it comes to the complex mind, the emotions and "I am" identity. These things are along the lines of what the soul and spirit are.

Why are you so adamantly set against the facts of soul and spirit and emotion and mind, when these things are in use all day long... even by you. Advance along with science, and help find out what they are instead of denying the obvious. It's almost like you have a religion that wants to limit your thinking.

Dude, I don't know what a "spirit" is, never mind the "holy" one.

Let's start with the basic definition/description of "spirit" before we get to "salvation", lol.

What is a "spirit"?  A ghost?

WTF are you talking about?

Yep, I know how to do it right. I'll tell you how. Let God work doing it right in you/me. He does this by working Jesus-salvation faith in me. He works this saving faith through His Holy Spirit that binds Himself to the part of me that is salvation faith, and strengthens that part. He can do this for you if you only will weaken yourself enough that you can't resist Him any longer.