Topic: Why QQ? - page 6. (Read 10987 times)

Not BFL, it's sub-contractors who made the actual ASIC if I recall correctly. Everything was outsourced, as was evident from you always explaining why everything was done away from your direct control. (In stark contrast to why Avalon got things done quickly)

So clear, it was mistakenly targeted a year too early.

Despite my earlier statement of not replying, I will since it appears I was incorrect.  I will not add to that any form of certainty as it's not verifiable by you or myself that there never actually was a prototype, although I'll concede that it is unlikely there ever was.

I mean I get that, I just kinda want quotes, and maybe how he searched for it...

IIRC during the BFL/bASIC fiasco BFL made claim to having applied for FCC certification to the extent that a unit, prototype or other, was or was en route to a testing facility.  There has been no such application according to the inquest of one Phinnaeus Guage.  Should the statement have in fact been made, it would be at least one verifiable lie made by BFL.

You are quite certain of that, are you?  This shows that what you know is, in a word, nothing:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1157524
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1157583

This is why I say you don't know what you're talking about.  You say you are quite certain of something that is patently false, can be demonstrated to be false, yet you still maintain it as true and that you're "certain of it."  Really, the very definition of a troll.

As to why, it doesn't matter if it was a lie or not on the part of Tom.  To remain competitive, we had to match his bogus claims.  I stated as much that they were bogus at the time, but what can you do?  Nothing but forge ahead.  At the time, for us, it wasn't that big of a match.  It really doesn't make much of a difference in the end to us, either way we'd still be doing the same thing we are now.


Because we thought we would have the ASICs out by the end of October.  That seems quite obvious...


You'd have to ask the people who made that decision at the time, not me.  As you said, I wasn't working for the company at that time.  However, lets say your premise is true.  That's not underhanded tactics, that is normal business operating procedure.  Just about every major tech company does it.  I'm not saying that's what happened, merely pointing out the fact that it's normal procedure.  Regardless, though, given the other evidence (FPGA being discontinued, etc...) it would seem to indicate that we thought we'd have the products out much sooner than we did.  That did not happen, obviously, but that does not make it deceitful or underhanded.  It makes it a mistake and an overestimation.


Then don't post lies and BS and you'll never have to communicate with me.  I don't want to associate with nor do I have any respect for people who are unable to separate fact from fiction, but I'm forced to because you try to spew your false information out to anyone who will listen.  If you stuck to facts and were honest and truthful, we'd have nothing to discuss.  Instead, you choose to delve into fantasy and false information to further your agenda.

I like how you won't be responding to me any further, after your ass has been handed to you several times in the past few posts.  It's always the last resort of the troll: "I'm too good/busy/awesome/etc to continue this conversation" which is a translation for "My position is so weak, I'm going to run away with my tail between my legs."

Dude I'm serious, give me a something to work with, I'd love to add that to my list of reasons BFL is shady, but seriously, saying another user searched for it isn't good enough. I don't own a jalapeno and have no idea to look up. Can you also explain why it needs fcc licensing? I'm not trying to counter-troll, I honestly want to know.

Actually  Phenous Gage has done many search's and there have been no applictions by BFL

So ... once again us troll's with the truth ... are troll's

Or plain and simple give us the FCC lic num relating to the BFL products !!!

Oh wait .. we are just trolls... is that what it is and all rules and regulation dont relate to BFL because they are special

  I'm quite certain that Tom did not claim he had a running prototype when announcing (day 1) bASIC.  That aside, if you're so certain that bASIC was lies and deceit from the beginning then why did you, on behalf of BFL, vow to match the provided hash rate of competitors (that shipped).  If they were no threat you could have easily kept the originally planned 40GH/s instead of catering to bASIC's planned 52 GH/s, how much easier would BFL's collective life be if they had never made these promises?


   I suppose we value the success of a business by different metrics, but I stand by my belief, and admit that you're entitled to your own.  The FPGA line *was* very, very lucrative and successful, I wholeheartedly agree.  I can't understand why BFL chose to stop selling them, and I know you've echo'd the sentiment that that is yet another mistake that BFL has made.


I respect your beliefs, and yes it's good that you admit that BFL has made a lot of mistakes.  I also recognize that a lot of this mess shouldn't even fall on your shoulders since you weren't a part of BFL when this all began.  However, that does not excuse the current state of affairs.  If BFL, as you claim, has completely funded their ASIC endeavour with FPGAs, then why didn't they develop it in secret until the point they were at in the beginning of April, why the mysterious investors?  I can't think of anything but underhanded tactics to capture a huge market share as the reason for the announcement being made when it was.  Hell, BFL hadn't even shipped their first mini-rig before they started this mess.  

Really though, I'm not interested in communicating with you either on or off of the forums.  You have not made yourself out to be the type of person I wish to associate with.  While I respect things relating to your individuality, I do not respect you.  With that said, I won't be taking the time to respond to you further.

I seriously have no idea what this crap is for example...

You can prove it's unlicensed?

I'm also totally sure you can't prove that 1600 BTC number either...

What does the FCC have to do with anything?

Trolls will be trolls.

I don't get it, the facts are pretty clear.

-Pre-orders opened June 2012
-Only shipped orders are orders in June and July and only The Jalapenos
-The power consumption you promised was not what the actual power consumption is.
-You made a 1000 BTC bet backing that up to give faith to people pre-ordering.
-The specs changed. You (sort of) paid the bet, but the customers are ending up with a product they didn't order.
-There are several times in the past year you said pre-orders would ship in large quantities, yet only jalapenos have shipped according to posts on your site and only those ordered very early.
(I can quote these if you really want me to.)

Regardless of all the mishaps, I really can't blame you for much, that's the risk people bought into when they pre-ordered BFL. But the thing is the people ended buying stock with 0% dividends. I think the best option is to offer a 5% yearly appreciation of pre-orders that are at least 3 months old as a partial refund to the people with those orders.

I totally agree with Inaba on the made up stuff and trolling, but the entire mining economy is insane with all promises having been broken at the same time. Everyone is angry at everyone, this is the only solution that I can really think of to alleviate everyone's anger.

Keep mining using other pples property... I think u would actrually call that theft ... but you peopel at  fraud.inc  dont really know what is right and wrong anymore due to the never ending lies and deceptions

Karma is a biatch when it comes back @ u Josh...... How can u look in a mirror ..is it because WE are the bad guys who are trying to supress u ... so it justify's mining with pre-order equipment ...was this somthing u would never do ..oh wait a miniute we are talking about BFL ...and actually you Josh ..u seem to have been guided by the master conman and have now exceeding all the training that sonny could give... I am sure he is a proud father just like King COn Man was to SOnny himself !!...


P.S There seems to be a mysterious single miner with over 1600 btc in the last week ... gee i wonder who that is Josh !!!!

I think the FCC need to know about your unlicensed products dont u think or have u already contacted them I am sure I could help hook u up to the right people at the FCC or does BFL have one of those fantansy FCC exempt cards u won in monopoly ?

 

Ok. I tried.

I don't feel threatened by you in any way, I said you were being threatening, that's why I'm telling you to get on with it and quit yakkin' about it.  Just because a chihuahua arches it back, growls and yips in a threatening manner at a person doesn't mean the person is threatened by the chihuahua.  Sometimes it's even cute.

Readily apparent?  What kind of drugs are you on?  Things were sour from day 1... where's your transparency?    You were talking about transparency, I was responding to your post about transparency.  What are you talking about now?  There was zero transparency.  If there was any transparency, then no one would have sent him a dime, since he lied about having a prototype from day 1.  


No, you said:


1) That Tom was transparent.  A blatantly incorrect statement by any definition.
2) That somehow Tom was more successful than BFL at shipping FPGAs when the number of ModMiners in the wild compared to the number of BFL units are staggering.  Do you even have any idea how many FPGA units BFL shipped?  Thousands upon thousands.  When I say BFL funded ASIC development with FPGA profits, I am not exaggerating or lying.  The FPGA line was very, very lucrative and successful.  Tom did fine as a hobby supplier, but as an actual business it was exceptionally low volume.  
3) I know you like to believe there are underhanded tactics, but that is simply not the case, you are just buying into the kool-aid at that point.  BFL made mistakes, sure, but unlike what some would have you believe, we've never lied or intentionally mislead anyone.  Call us incompetent if you want, whatever.  The fact is, we have built an assembly and distribution channel that dwarfs all other ASIC and FPGA offerings combined, several times over.  We've made missteps along the way and we are working to correct those as quickly as possible.  I've apologized numerous times for it and that's all I can offer at this point and move forward.  If I could go back in time to change things, I absolutely would, but the BFL Time Turner won't be ready for another 4 - 6 weeks.

 The letter has not yet been sent.

 It's not too late to settle this civilly via email.

 With all due respect, I'm trying to be as reasonable and civil as possible. I am sorry you feel threatened.

 You should have no reason to feel threatened if you have done nothing wrong.

Which is why it was readily apparent when things started going sour.  Speaking of absurd power numbers, quit projecting your shortfalls onto myself and others.  I won't comment on what I think of Tom, but your views and mine aren't too far apart.


I merely said BFL couldn't be trusted, and still can't. 

I appreciate the apology, but it's pretty hard to take seriously when, in the same post (and many others), you continue to talk up how you're going to bring about an epic lawsuit against BFL.  


You're absolutely right, you're not.  You're just being threatening (in the legal sense).  Much like physical threats, I do not respond well to either.  Like I said, if you're going to do it, skin that hogleg and go to work; quit talking about it.  You have made your intent to initiate legal proceedings very clear, so there's nothing more to say other than "see you in court."

 Patience. Dotting our I's and crossing our T's.


 I don't believe I am saying anything offensive, detrimental, uncivil, false, slanderous or libelous.

 In fact, I'll do you one better, seeing as how I've never directly addressed you about this, here we go.

 Josh, honestly and truly, in retrospect, I'm sorry I lost my cool and telling you to "Fuck off and eat a bag of dicks". I know you guys have been under a tremendous amount of stress over the last 11 months, and I'm sure some angry customer like me was the last thing you wanted to deal with.

 I apologize for getting so wildly bent-out-of-shape over this entire development.

 Please understand that came from a place of a frustration I have never experienced before, and, well, here we are.
 
 I wish I could go back and be more chill about the situation and not harangue you as bitterly and explicitly as I did.

 I'm very sorry that you think I'm a joke. Even more sorry we could not resolve this dispute civilly.

 All I can say is, I've been patient for 11 months. I hope you can appreciate me asking you to remain patient for a little while longer.