Topic: Why QQ? - page 7. (Read 10987 times)

Been there, tried that.  Doesn't work.  When you have inheriently irrational people like PL, Frizz, etc... who's sole purpose is to denigrate BFL, regardless of facts, truth and honesty, it doesn't matter what you say.  They will fabricate whatever information that need to make their statements.  Like I said, any time you try to get them to back up their ridiculous statements, they deflect or ignore.  Go ahead and try it... go pick out one of their ridiculous statements then get them to provide some proof or convincing evidence for their position... you'll get nothing in return. 


Yes Xian, we've all heard, ad naseum, about how you're going to mount the awesome legal offensive against BFL.  Nobody cares, haven't you figured that out yet?  Just get on with it, all this posturing you are doing is just making you look like more of a tool than anything else.  Like someone already said, if you really had legal council, you wouldn't be posting on the forum.  You're a joke, man, move on.

 I would appreciate this as well. Will be helpful in the coming weeks.

I'm not opposed to the idea that you could have valid reasons for everything that has happened.  Like a majority of the people on the forum I just haven't seen it.  It seems like there are consistently unfulfilled promises, and when people point that out they get ignored, or have ad hominem thrown at them.  How can this be justified?  Because it's cool?  You're in a company man, grow up.  The people that you are talking to may be completely pissed off and unreasonable, but look at it from their point of view, they feel totally screwed with.  If you tried to explain things calmly instead of making people feel ridiculous all the time, I think you would be much better off.

I would love if someone did... then there'd be a central place that I can point to and say "You're full of shit, this is what I said, not your mindless bullshit you keep peddling."  Instead, right now, people post all sorts of mindless bullshit they make up, I ask them to prove it with quotes/links and they fail and go on with their crap.  I mean, just look at any BFL thread and anything that comes out of PuertoLibre, Frizz, et al is 90% manufactured bullshit with nothing substantive to back up their ramblings, yet they keep peddling it as if it were truth.  If you try to get them to back up their claims, they become strangely silent.

Yes, please make it so!

Wrong, it's a matter of degree Inaba, someone may come right up to the peak and not make it over, whereas someone else will be just barely more prepared, and slightly less incompetent, and still make it.

Has anyone compiled a list of your invective?  I think that may be fun to read   Possibly good for newbs to know before they get involved..

*sigh* I was being nice, and I didn't/don't disagree with 1. and 2.. I can understand why you're so defensive, I would be with the amount of shit hurled at you. Its up to you if you want to try and understand why the shit is hurled, or you can just attack anyone who walks near you. Maybe if you took some time to understand why, then you'd [bfl] have a better chance at fixing it and a lot easier time.

Its up to you, its not my long term mental health that is at risk.

Except, you now, the part about... umm, all of it, you mean?

The point of my post: 

1. Tom was unable to handle creating an ASIC.
2. BFL had the intention of making an ASIC, Tom apparently did not, although this is speculative, maybe he did, but he did a piss poor job of it.

Contrast to BFL who A) Is and was able to handle creating an ASIC and B) had the intention of making an ASIC.  So your post is complete nonsense.  Is does not describe BFL in any way, shape or form.  Try again.  You are at 100% fail so far in this thread, can you maybe make a single post where you don't fall flat on your face?

I actually had to read this through twice. You've literally described your contribution to the bitcoin world over the last 9 months. The only differences being:
1) You had more investment, you could weather the storm
2) You had the intention of actually making an ASIC

Now for a second forget about the bullshit and the "I think you're doing everything wrong", and honestly just read back what you've posted. You think Tom was a horrific person for seemingly valid reasons [assuming its true, I have no intention of verifying that as its irrelevant]. Can you not understand the hatred you [BFL] and you [personally] have garnered over this time period? Every single sentence just seems to describe what's happened in the last year.

^^

k9=pwnd, once again...

What, the transparency where he explicitly, willfully and with full knowledge lied about having a prototype that was hashing, when in fact he had absolutely nothing what so ever?  And maintained that he had a prototype and was in the process of developing this mythical ASIC with these absurd power numbers, when in fact he had done exactly NOTHING.  Not a single thing towards developing an ASIC?  You mean that kind of transparency?

Don't try to rewrite history. Tom was and is a drunk piece of shit.  He's one step away from a scummy used car salesman, nothing more.  He lied from day one about his ASIC bullshit and strung people along with no clear ability or path to delivering.  BFL has made mistakes, yes, but at least we've always had a clear path forward and we've always intended to deliver a product.  Tom... not so much.

Transparency... heh.  What a joke.  Stop trying to rewrite history to bolster your pathetic little argument.

Wait. Are you talking about those same threads that YOU keep showing up in?  

I show up in a lot of threads.

I show up in threads stating that I wouldn't order any BFL products until I saw some in the wild.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1849501

I show up in Avalon chip threads, and order chips.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/liquid-synergy-designs-inc-asic-mining-hardware-192916
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1956955

I show up in threads that are asking for help with hardware.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2101376
And claim a bounty by resolving a network issue
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2264504


I show up in board development threads and discuss the development of host boards for avalon chips, and prospectively others.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189976.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/klondike-16-chip-asic-open-source-board-preliminary-190731
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/work-in-progess-burnins-avalon-chip-to-mining-board-service-179769

I buy and donate small token amounts of hardware for/to developers, to help them in their development, of AVALON BASED products.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2322130

And I show up in BFL chip threads and say that I don't see any good reason why somebody would jump ship from Avalon, unless the BFL price gets a whole lot better than their current offerings.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2359221

And I show up in BFL troll threads and destroy the trolls' absurd 'logic' with ideas that are driven by an interest in the topic, rather than a fetish obsession with BFL and Josh, wherein I make reasonable concessions about BFL's mishandling of their development/launch, while at the same time holding people accountable for their own baseless assertions and conjecture...
QED

Hmmm, hardly a very good pattern for an allegedly 'paid shill', is it? Or maybe I'm just THAT good. Like the Jason Bourne of paid internet forum shills. I guess you'll never know!

I cannot express to you how much I REALLY have so very little financial interest in the success of BFL. I own more than one profitable business, as well as working a full-time job in IT (because I like it, and it gives me some nice extra benefits, vacation money, and almost enough money to pay my annual tax bill, when all is said and done). I also have a wife who is also full-time employed at two different jobs in another industry, because she loves the work, and because it provides even MORE awesome benefits, and even MORE spending cash and vacation money. We like expensive toys.

Bitcoin is and foreseeably always will remain little more than a hobby to me, in comparison to the rest of my income/holdings.

Honestly, a 300 fucking dollar Jalapeno is a novelty to me. My life will continue to go on with NO noticeable change, or a single tear shed for it if, for whatever reason, it doesn't show up. I've lost 15 times that amount in the past year on deals that went bad with international orders, either damaged in shipment, or otherwise unsaleable goods delivered (ordered as samples, etc, etc). It's a tax write-off, as far as I'm concerned, and part of the cost of doing business. My Jalapeno was ordered through a business account, tied to a legitimate tax-paying business, which has the luxury of writing off bad investments, in exchange for paying taxes on the good ones. If/when my BFL order (and the rest of my other ASIC orders, present, and future) they'll be used to generate income through a registered legitimate tax paying business, which, if I was just assuming, is more than MOST miners on this forum can say; so those who go around casting aspersions and wanting to involve the courts into their battles, you MIGHT want to take a quiet moment and consider the repercussions of tax evasion.  

Face it, dude, you've got nothing. You can't figure me out, because I don't fit into either of your two pre-defined boxes.

If you magically find a way to clear the BFL queue, I stand only to gain. Whereas, if the queue remains full, I stand to continue to wait. If BFL fails, I break even because I write it off on my taxes.

I've brought my big-boy pants though, so I'll be okay, whatever the outcome. If you're in a position that a measly $300 toy would drive all of your opinions and actions, I feel sorry for you; but to presuppose that everybody else's motives are rooted in such pettiness is what's truly pitiable here.

There is more to fear from having your ass-ets frozen.



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Courtesy of: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/polrpaul/186-whats-what.html

Oh, the irony.

You only show up in threads where BFL faces an existential crisis. The Xian lawsuit thread, the BFL chip sale (or complete lack thereof I should say), this thread which threatened BFL with a wave of refunds. Wherever there is bad press for BFL, you swoop in and derail the threads with the same tired shilling.

I know you don't truly believe that refund requests would help BFL. If you did then you would encourage the refunds instead of fighting so desperately against them. 

Reading comprehension fail again? Hardly shocking... That's exactly the OPPOSITE of what I was saying. YOU'RE the one suggesting that he needs to sell it off. He intends to make money by either USING it (probably) or selling it once he has it in hand. No "greater fool" crap involved.


Do you just have a list that you copy/paste your posts from? They're all the same, guy. Get some new material!

Fair enough. 

K9,I read these forums MANY times a day & know all about you & others & know where you stand man.It's all good bro 

My "point of view" will keep till later 

Everyone has already admitted that people with a day 1 order of BFL equipment can still find a greater fool to sell it to. You don't need to belabor that point.
And no, I don't want to see people who were promised product 7 months ago get Xian'ed.

Sociopaths such as your self will not see the wrong in a bait and switch scheme, so I won't waste my breath explaining it to you. But promising someone a delivery and then reneging on that promise just because the delivery costs too much or you don't like the person anymore is breach of contract and that is something you will eventually understand as the courts explain it to BFL and they dock your paycheck.

Fair enough, if you don't want to assume the responsibility, that's understandable. One more example of a reason why people aren't doing what our omniscient, resident-know-it-all, K9, reckons you should... Just in case you missed it, HE was the one telling you what you should do with your money/preorders, not me. 

Your next paragraph serves to reinforce my other point. You believe that you stand to gain financially by waiting. So it's not, as K9 asserts, just an attempt to 'stick it to BFL', and make sure they "don't get an interest-free loan," as he puts it.

FYI, from my end k9's assertions are correct.  You've deflected any points k9's made that bolster his argument and decimate yours.  All I see is you randomly changing the topic and then regurgitating the same sentiment of "no longer discussing days-old topics".  Seems to me the topic is "days-old" because you keep deflecting and dragging it out instead of resolving, or coming to terms, with the issues.


They got exactly 0 ASICS.  Which is, at the time it all occurred, the same number of ASICs that were delivered by BFL, or anyone for that matter.  The key difference is that Tom of bASIC tried to maintain complete transparency, so when things started to turn sour, it was very apparent that it was occurring.  BFL's underhanded tactics on the other hand have muddied the waters so thoroughly no one has any idea which was is up. They had both shipped many FPGA units, and I'd consider the thought that even at that, Tom was more successful at this attempt with FPGAs than BFL was.

The bottom line is you haven't been around long enough to know all this and have a feel for how each vendor operates.  I have BFL FPGA's, I haven't spent a single satoshi on BFL since.  I haven't even "upgraded".  Why? Because BFL couldn't be trusted then and it can't be trusted now.  Wasn't the last statement from BFL that units from all line ups supposed to be shipping last week? Where are they?  Oh that's right, the shipped some jalepenos and started offering bulk chip sales.

In terms of who's funding BFL that's a good question.  The only thing I know is that a (shill?) blog posted that someone on the inside told him that pre-order funds are secured.  Now, I may not have anything to go on other than speculation, founded in fact or otherwise, but logically I can't see how BFL is still operating unless the bulk is managed under a "non-profit" manner, or the pre-order funds being secured is a fallacy.   Either they've got background cash in play, or they're quickly becoming insolvent.  I agree with Puerto's thesis that a controlled refund wave would benefit BFL, and a non-controlled would spell disaster.



  

Putting my day 1 preorder "up for auction" is NOT an option...............

IF BFL fails to deliver,I AM RESPONSIBLE for paying back that person,not BFL..................I would not jeopardize my principles for money.

Yet,I am greedy enough to hold out hope that BFL will deliver my unit 

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