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legendary
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August 30, 2023, 10:31:22 AM
^^^ The second thing that comes to mind is a grand jury that is made up of people who have the same mindset, and base their judgment on that mindset rather than clear evidence of harm to people or damage to property.



This portraits perfectly what is the modus operandi of Trump supporters. Nothing is about facts, nothing is about the law, about evidence, about proving assertions or matching reality with what is being said. It is all about "a mindset". Even when a great jury is called, if the result is not to their liking is just because they are wrong - no need to prove anything.

Hard facts are just something that can be ignored, it does not matter that Trump has never climbed let's say, Mount Everest, with the right "mindset", all Trump supporters will swear that he has and anyone doubting is because "partisanship".

Trump supporters have the facts. Herre they are, again, for you to read... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252. Even if you don't like a few of these facts, there are many you will like. And none of them are illegal.

In America, standard law is "innocent until proven guilty." The law even says that an agreement CANNOT be made by the defendant to state that he is guilty when he is not. So, there you are with the hard facts. They are hard for you, because you can't get around them.

If you have solid proof that Trump is guilty of wrongdoing, take him to court on it. If you don't, it's just another bunch of hearsay like they are throwing at him in these sham trials.

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I do not see anything in that post that would prove that he is not a criminal. If you want to talk politics, do so in a thread about politics, this thread is about a suspected criminal activity. Example: I save three people from dying in a fire (not that Trump has done any of it) and next day I steal car and drive drunk. I can be prosecuted for car theft and dui.

More clear? I can be a great film producer and director or a very popular singer, but if I sleep with children I can and should go to jail.

If you want to talk politics, I suggest you do so by topic so that it can actually be discussed, not by listing unconnected things. Some of the statements are not accomplishments but statistics of an economic lifecycle, some others are the results of Obama's policies and work, some others like "legalising hemp" are of dubious value anyway, but as said, listing does not allow a honest discussion, which of course is what you seek.

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August 30, 2023, 04:00:12 AM
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In America, standard law is "innocent until proven guilty." The law even says that an agreement CANNOT be made by the defendant to state that he is guilty when he is not. So, there you are with the hard facts. They are hard for you, because you can't get around them.

If you have solid proof that Trump is guilty of wrongdoing, take him to court on it. If you don't, it's just another bunch of hearsay like they are throwing at him in these sham trials.

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Some more facts:

Trump lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden.

Trump University was a scam.

The Trump Foundation was shut down over fraud.

Trump Organization was convicted on felony criminal fraud charges by a jury.

Trump was held liable for sexual assault by a jury.

Trump was impeached twice.

Trumps personal attorney during 2016 campaign is a convicted felon.

Trumps national security advisor is a convicted felon.

The chair of Trumps 2016 campaign is a convicted felon.

Trump has been indicted on almost 100 felony charges by four different grand jurys.

In 2016 Trump campaigned on locking his political opponent up. His supporters loved it.


So, there you are with the hard facts.

legendary
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August 28, 2023, 03:15:45 PM
^^^ The second thing that comes to mind is a grand jury that is made up of people who have the same mindset, and base their judgment on that mindset rather than clear evidence of harm to people or damage to property.



This portraits perfectly what is the modus operandi of Trump supporters. Nothing is about facts, nothing is about the law, about evidence, about proving assertions or matching reality with what is being said. It is all about "a mindset". Even when a great jury is called, if the result is not to their liking is just because they are wrong - no need to prove anything.

Hard facts are just something that can be ignored, it does not matter that Trump has never climbed let's say, Mount Everest, with the right "mindset", all Trump supporters will swear that he has and anyone doubting is because "partisanship".

Trump supporters have the facts. Herre they are, again, for you to read... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252. Even if you don't like a few of these facts, there are many you will like. And none of them are illegal.

In America, standard law is "innocent until proven guilty." The law even says that an agreement CANNOT be made by the defendant to state that he is guilty when he is not. So, there you are with the hard facts. They are hard for you, because you can't get around them.

If you have solid proof that Trump is guilty of wrongdoing, take him to court on it. If you don't, it's just another bunch of hearsay like they are throwing at him in these sham trials.

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legendary
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August 28, 2023, 01:59:58 PM
^^^ The second thing that comes to mind is a grand jury that is made up of people who have the same mindset, and base their judgment on that mindset rather than clear evidence of harm to people or damage to property.



This portraits perfectly what is the modus operandi of Trump supporters. Nothing is about facts, nothing is about the law, about evidence, about proving assertions or matching reality with what is being said. It is all about "a mindset". Even when a great jury is called, if the result is not to their liking is just because they are wrong - no need to prove anything.

Hard facts are just something that can be ignored, it does not matter that Trump has never climbed let's say, Mount Everest, with the right "mindset", all Trump supporters will swear that he has and anyone doubting is because "partisanship".
legendary
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August 28, 2023, 10:44:34 AM
^^^ The second thing that comes to mind is a grand jury that is made up of people who have the same mindset, and base their judgment on that mindset rather than clear evidence of harm to people or damage to property.

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August 27, 2023, 08:06:59 PM
One of the things Trump has against himself in the Georgia case is the amount of people who seem to be involved, the more co-conspirators there are in a crime, the more likely someone will flip and throw.the rest under the bus.

Don't forget, there are 30 unindicted co-conspirators.  And there's a reason they are unindicted...  Also, many of the indicted co-conspirators likely already flipped in some ways, like Rudy for example.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/16/30-unindicted-co-conspirators-georgia-investigation-explainer

When court documents make reference to unindicted co-conspirators the first thing which comes to mind is prosecutors not having enough evidence to convince a grand jury or to pursue charges in general. It had not crossed my mind that someone could have stepped forward without the others indicted being aware of it.

Though, now you mention it as a possibility it kind of makes sense there was someone smart enough to anticipate what it was going to happen.

By the way, I still don't have idea why it took around three years for those charges to be formally brought up on the table.
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August 27, 2023, 08:00:35 PM
One of the things Trump has against himself in the Georgia case is the amount of people who seem to be involved, the more co-conspirators there are in a crime, the more likely someone will flip and throw.the rest under the bus.

Don't forget, there are 30 unindicted co-conspirators.  And there's a reason they are unindicted...  Also, many of the indicted co-conspirators likely already flipped in some ways, like Rudy for example.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/16/30-unindicted-co-conspirators-georgia-investigation-explainer
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August 27, 2023, 07:57:48 PM
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Standard Dem talk. You talk like he is guilty when the court hasn't even convened. Of course, the court of public opinion is way far against you.
Talk like who is guilty? You mean inmate number P01135809?. Yeah that doesn't sound right Cheesy. Nothing to see here.
It takes some military grade mental acrobatics to live in denial at this point. One would think that someone who is ranting about weird tunnel conspiracy theories would be happy that at least one of the Jeffrey Epstein's clients (inmate P01135809) is getting jail time.  Not that i believe a second that you would really believe what you are writing.

I would be very surprised if some of his co-conspirators would not witness against him to avoid life in jail.

Inmate P01135809 is actually something i am calling that unhiged cheeto from now on.

One of the things Trump has against himself in the Georgia case is the amount of people who seem to be involved, the more co-conspirators there are in a crime, the more likely someone will flip and throw.the rest under the bus. If Trump was not running for the presidency and did not have much of a problem to admit wrongdoing, I am almost sure we would quickly throw all of them under the bus in exchange of a deal with State authorities, however that is not an option for him, so I assume he his crossing his fingers noone will take a deal before becoming president again. People break rather quick when under enough pressure, though, specially when being found guilty of such crimes would likely mean to spend the rest of ones natural life behind bars...
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August 27, 2023, 07:25:33 PM
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Standard Dem talk. You talk like he is guilty when the court hasn't even convened.

Don't forget about

Trump Organization:
Tried and convicted of felony tax fraud in criminal court.

Trump University:
Scam disguised as a university, paid $25 million after being sued for fraud.

The Donald J Trump Foundation:
His "charity" that was basically used to launder money and evade taxes.  It was shut down and the Trump family is banned in NY State from operating or being on the board of any charity for:

   - Solicitation of donations without a license
   - Mishandling of funds raised for veterans' causes
   - Coordinating foundation grants with Trump's presidential campaign
   - Failure to make pledged 9/11 grants
   - Using Trump Foundation money to settle Trump Organization legal disputes
   - Making political donations with foundation funds
   - Purchasing goods and services for personal or business benefit with foundation money (mostly paintings of himself lol)
   - Diversion of taxable income to the foundation as donations
   - Trump taking personal credit for donations made using foundation money

Should I keep going? 
legendary
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August 27, 2023, 03:38:53 PM
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Standard Dem talk. You talk like he is guilty when the court hasn't even convened. Of course, the court of public opinion is way far against you.
Talk like who is guilty? You mean inmate number P01135809?. Yeah that doesn't sound right Cheesy. Nothing to see here.
It takes some military grade mental acrobatics to live in denial at this point. One would think that someone who is ranting about weird tunnel conspiracy theories would be happy that at least one of the Jeffrey Epstein's clients (inmate P01135809) is getting jail time.  Not that i believe a second that you would really believe what you are writing.

I would be very surprised if some of his co-conspirators would not witness against him to avoid life in jail.

Inmate P01135809 is actually something i am calling that unhiged cheeto from now on.
legendary
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August 27, 2023, 02:57:46 PM
Now that Hillary is in the picture, let's please do a reality check:
 
Reality check
How many of the people still keeping this thread going are aware that prior to 2016 the Trump's and Clinton's were long-time friends? There is a famous picture of the smiling Clinton's standing with the Trump's at their wedding. Maybe they can help testify as a character witness at Donald's trial.   Wink

For trump it was a friendly competition. Friends arm wrestle at times, they compete in golf and chess.

If Trump and the Clintons are not friends any longer, it would be because Trump finally recognized the downright criminal activity the Clintons are involved in, and even promoting. It might be okay if it simply involved their own companies. But it involves using public media to subvert the people of the nation... and a whole lot more.

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newbie
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August 27, 2023, 11:43:29 AM
Now that Hillary is in the picture, let's please do a reality check:
 
Reality check
How many of the people still keeping this thread going are aware that prior to 2016 the Trump's and Clinton's were long-time friends? There is a famous picture of the smiling Clinton's standing with the Trump's at their wedding. Maybe they can help testify as a character witness at Donald's trial.   Wink
legendary
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August 27, 2023, 11:22:04 AM
You talk like he is guilty when the court hasn't even convened.

Oh and when did you decide that we shouldn't have an onion on whether or not someone is guilty if a court hasn't convened anymore?



The video is gone.

I suppose we all make the mistake of treating our onion as fact once in a while. Ask yourself the same question.

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August 26, 2023, 07:22:44 PM
You talk like he is guilty when the court hasn't even convened.

Oh and when did you decide that we shouldn't have an onion on whether or not someone is guilty if a court hasn't convened anymore?


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August 26, 2023, 06:52:58 PM
Trump posting his mugshot as his first post on twitter (X) in years is absolutely genius. He only has about 650K likes after 4 hours. While it won’t be the most liked twitter post, it’s going to end up being up there. This is an absolute mockery of the justice system. If this doesn’t wake people up we’re doomed.

https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1694886846050771321

Of course, I would also give him my like ... to a mug-shot indeed, and even more if it were a biometric Id as convict - it will come hopefully. It is the type of image that everyone is going to like.

On to more serious matters, people have a very low opinion on those officers taking mug-shots of criminals, mostly based on movies in which the dude is a fat pencil-pusher who seems utterly bored of life and has been demoted to the lowest office job.

But this has to change, the person who took this mug-shot is no doubt a master photographer that has captured the true essence of the subject: A grumpy old psycho with no taste for hairdressing, but with the look of a 14 year old that has just been told by mum that he cannot hang out with his friends near the scrapyard until he finishes his math homework.

....Of course, the court of public opinion is way far against you.

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Well I suppose if you live in the court of nutcase, nonsense rightwingnut websites and ridiculous conspiracy theories, such as you do, yes, the public opinion generated in that retarded reality bubble is against
what normal rational folks think.


So, what do the polls that you are looking at actually say?



The latest poll on the great jury? came as: Yes, the guy goes to trial. That one?
legendary
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August 26, 2023, 06:13:05 PM
....Of course, the court of public opinion is way far against you.

Cool

Well I suppose if you live in the court of nutcase, nonsense rightwingnut websites and ridiculous conspiracy theories, such as you do, yes, the public opinion generated in that retarded reality bubble is against
what normal rational folks think.


So, what do the polls that you are looking at actually say?

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August 26, 2023, 05:07:21 PM
....Of course, the court of public opinion is way far against you.

Cool

Well I suppose if you live in the court of nutcase, nonsense rightwingnut websites and ridiculous conspiracy theories, such as you do, yes, the public opinion generated in that retarded reality bubble is against
what normal rational folks think.
legendary
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August 26, 2023, 12:13:31 PM
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Liberals are so brainwashed they can only push their agenda by any means. The fact is that I think Trump as a person is a total douchebag. I wouldn’t want to meet him or have anything to do with him. However, his policies are sound and exactly what America needs. I don’t love Trump and hate Democrats, I love America and hate anyone who wants to destroy it with lies like there are more than 2 genders, or fostering mental illness in children by telling them they’re in the wrong bodies, or continuing to support a proxy war against Russia, or want SpaceX to hire illegal immigrants, or want to lock down our country over a fake virus, or want to raise taxes for an imaginary climate change grift, or want to spend our way into losing reserve currency status, or want to let illegals into our country without going through the proper channels, etc.

I don’t hate liberals, I hate stupidity. Although I can see how the two can be confused.
So you don't think any former president that just lost re-election should be able to try and overturn the election by lying to government officials, intimidating election workers, asking government officials to commit election fraud by "finding him" more votes, or organizing an election fraud scheme to submit fake electoral vote documents through the official government channels.

But Trump should be able to do those things.  Because you like his policies.

It's ironic how I keep hearing complaints about the charges being political and yet the only reason you're defending him has nothing to do with the facts and everything to do with politics.

Basic critical thinking: ask yourself "If a democrat did the things Trump is charged with doing, would I be against criminal charges being filed?"


Standard Dem talk. You talk like he is guilty when the court hasn't even convened. Of course, the court of public opinion is way far against you.

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August 26, 2023, 10:07:59 AM
Ok, so I thought I'd start a new thread now that the inevitable has happened.
Trump not convicted ...what a surprise.
But now he's out of office and no longer immune from criminal prosecution, will he be indicted?
And held accountable for his actions during his presidency (among other things) in a criminal court, rather than an impeachment trial in the senate where we all knew
it was a fore gone conclusion that the spineless retrumplican toadies would vote for acquittal, no matter what evidence the house managers presented.


I see the whole idea about Trump conviction as political. Trump made the necessary decision he deemed fit just as Joe Biden is doing right now.
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August 26, 2023, 09:00:38 AM
Trump posting his mugshot as his first post on twitter (X) in years is absolutely genius. He only has about 650K likes after 4 hours. While it won’t be the most liked twitter post, it’s going to end up being up there. This is an absolute mockery of the justice system. If this doesn’t wake people up we’re doomed.

https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1694886846050771321

Do you think any former president that just lost re-election should be able to try and overturn the election by lying to government officials, intimidating election workers, asking government officials to commit election fraud by "finding him" more votes, or organizing an election fraud scheme to submit fake electoral vote documents through the official government channels?

And then there's the documents....and the shell company to avoid

Or do you just really hate democrats/love Trump so you're going to just right wing outrage lines like "absolute mockery of the justice system" without ever reading any of the actual indictments.  

I understand your ignorance. Since you liked Biden so much, there was no reason to get into the details of how is team and his handlers stole the election for him. Completely understandable.

Perhaps you are a big fish in some little pond somewhere. But, the country is pretty big. Maybe it will be your grandchildren who become Chinese slaves, with chop sticks run into their ears so they can't hear the propaganda about how bad they are being harmed by their government.

Of course, if Biden continues, and somebody follows who is like him, it might happen a lot sooner... like directly to you... and all of us.

Cool

Liberals are so brainwashed they can only push their agenda by any means. The fact is that I think Trump as a person is a total douchebag. I wouldn’t want to meet him or have anything to do with him. However, his policies are sound and exactly what America needs. I don’t love Trump and hate Democrats, I love America and hate anyone who wants to destroy it with lies like there are more than 2 genders, or fostering mental illness in children by telling them they’re in the wrong bodies, or continuing to support a proxy war against Russia, or want SpaceX to hire illegal immigrants, or want to lock down our country over a fake virus, or want to raise taxes for an imaginary climate change grift, or want to spend our way into losing reserve currency status, or want to let illegals into our country without going through the proper channels, etc.

I don’t hate liberals, I hate stupidity. Although I can see how the two can be confused.
So you don't think any former president that just lost re-election should be able to try and overturn the election by lying to government officials, intimidating election workers, asking government officials to commit election fraud by "finding him" more votes, or organizing an election fraud scheme to submit fake electoral vote documents through the official government channels.

But Trump should be able to do those things.  Because you like his policies.

It's ironic how I keep hearing complaints about the charges being political and yet the only reason you're defending him has nothing to do with the facts and everything to do with politics.

Basic critical thinking: ask yourself "If a democrat did the things Trump is charged with doing, would I be against criminal charges being filed?"

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