Topic: Will Trump be indicted ? - page 5. (Read 3263 times)

So what happens now that even the attorneys need their own attorneys for their trials?

No one is against the American dream, Bud. Where did you get that idea?


Not the way grifter Trump does it, to wit, inheriting a huge family fortune and runs multi-million$ scams.
Lining our pockets? You sound just like your grifter, cult leader hero. Your imaginary friend should smite you.
Thou shalt not be a greedy, criminal, capitalist, grifting pig.


Every business Trump had anything to do with has gone bankrupt or is a complete scam. Do a little real research Bud, ffs.
We pick on Trump because he is a criminal.


Well that's what your cult leader hero has done for the past 30 years. The art of the Deal? What a complete fucking farce.
The only thing that idiot is good at is draining money from his ignorant cult followers and
being the star of a retarded reality show and saying "you're fired!, sexually assaulting women, and manipulating, brainwashed, worshippers such as yourself. Pathetic.


You are trolling now aren't you?  Nothing new.

Why are so many of you against the American dream? Isn't lining our pockets on the minds of many of us? So, you pick on Trump because he is wealthy, because he got down to business and did the American dream and made money.

The American dream isn't about stealing money from others. Rather, it's about using ingenuity to make money and grow your personal empire... if you can... and helping others as Trump has been doing - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252.

So, Trump uses the American dream in good and right ways, but you want to make money by stealing it from him... and from all of us who are in business. Is it that you are too dumb to figure how to make money in business?, that you have to pick on Trump because he made money, and hope to get a little money off of picking on him? That's called stealing.

It's far more likely the bloated grifter is looking for low effort ways to line his pockets.  He's probably going to charge people in order to utilise his "seal of approval" and remain part of his sad little cult.  He knows his time is running out, so he has to milk you gullible schmucks for every penny while he still can.  Enjoy your fanboyism while it lasts.

The point of this? Trump is arming his supporters with a method for them to keep from supporting his enemies by accident. This should help his people rally around him, so that he will be able to draw on their support for whatever he needs, even in the indictments.


President Trump Monkey Flips Worthless and Vindictive GOPe with His New Policy - And It’s Glorious

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/president-trump-monkey-flips-worthless-vindictive-gope-his/
Conservative Treehouse reported:

The RNC has been covertly hostile, but you will now see them become openly hostile. President Trump knows this, and his next move is brilliant. President Trump has created an "official seal of approval" which must accompany any campaign endorsement, donor request or ancillary aspect implying Trump support. This is directly done to counteract the ability of the RNC to exploit Trump's affiliation and essentially hostage status.

In essence, the RNC cannot exploit the MAGA brand for RNC/MAGA endorsement, and or use the donor data files, without the Trump "seal of approval." The data becomes worthless, because without the Trump seal any request is ignored. Additionally, without the seal any RNC candidate is ignored. This creates leverage. This is how the insurgency forces the compliance of the GOPe. At least that appears to be the goal from Donald Trump.

If the RNC, or any vendor or candidate they have sold the files to, including any candidate who runs but does not align with Trump, attempts to exploit the files without the Trump seal of approval, the fracture between Trump and the RNC becomes openly visible.
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Well looks like Trump is finally following the advice of his lawyers... as if that's gonna alleviate the world of shit he is in.

https://youtu.be/9n19WDyQhKc

BAHAHAHA!!!

^^^ Now these kinds of things are exactly the kinds of things Trump has been accusing the Dems, Biden and his team, and various States of doing... and a whole lot more.

People don't indict people for nothing. But the indictment doesn't prove anything, because some people indict because of their own leverage rather than the other's wrongdoing.

So, the whole indictment thing against Trump is totally foolishness IF he is smart enough to recognize his rights, and apply them properly.

The Deep State better win, because if it doesn't win against Trump, Trump will use their fighting as part of his machinery to destroy them.


Trump to disprove “WITCH HUNT” GA indictments with irrefutable election fraud report

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https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-17-trump-to-disprove-indictments-with-irrefutable-report.html
Former President Donald Trump, who has been recently indicted by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis on a range of criminal charges relating to his attempts to "alter Georgia's 2020 election results," is set to fight back to prove the "witch hunt" of a decision is "politically motivated" and "wrong."

The top Republican presidential candidate announced that he will be defending his stance that the 2020 election was rigged in a press conference to be held on Monday, Aug. 21, in response to a decision that indicted him and 18 others on "racketeering charges." According to a post on his social media platform Truth Social, he is going to present a large, complex, detailed but irrefutable report on the presidential election fraud which took place in Georgia.

"[It] will be presented by me at a major News Conference at 11:00 A.M. on Monday of next week in Bedminster, New Jersey," the former president said, further adding, "Based on the results of this conclusive report, all charges should be dropped against me & others – There will be a complete EXONERATION! They never went after those that rigged the election. They only went after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!" (Related: 'Detailed but irrefutable': Trump to present report on 2020 election fraud in Georgia next week.)

He also posted on the platform his lamentations that the two-year investigation was a "WITCH HUNT!" Legal experts and practitioners agree with Trump on this.

Constitutional lawyer Robert Barnes commented that this indictment is the most insane yet by the looniest prosecutor, citing how claims on tweets are conspiracies, legal advice is a crime, Constitutional law is a criminal act, and demanding officials do their job is criminal solicitation. "It is an embarrassment to the state of Georgia," Barnes lamented.
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Yes.  And there's a reasonable argument involving laws prohibiting states from arresting federal officials that might get the charges dropped completely if it moves to federal court.

Of course there are plenty of reasonable arguments that the case should remain a State case as well.

There are also reasonable arguments that the President doesn't have the power to pardon himself.


Oh and I just realized, I only posted the things he did that weren't illegal.  Here's the next section (these are from Trumps federal indictment.  Not the espionage act violations one, the one about trying to steal the presidency after losing the election) :

So, if Trump gets the trial moved to Federal Court, things will change drastically in  his favor.


https://pjmedia.com/columns/chris-queen/2023/08/16/the-trump-team-has-one-potentially-advantageous-card-up-its-sleeve-in-fulton-county-n1719725

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https://pjmedia.com/columns/chris-queen/2023/08/16/the-trump-team-has-one-potentially-advantageous-card-up-its-sleeve-in-fulton-county-n1719725#google_vignette
Willis and Fulton County Sheriff Pat Labat have relished their chance to get their man. Labat told reporters that the county would "have mugshots ready" for Trump and presumably the other 18 defendants in the indictment. There's no doubt that Willis and Labat are milking this indictment for all its worth.

But the Trump team may have an ace up its sleeve. Clark Cunningham, a law professor at Georgia State University, told WSB Radio that Trump could have the case moved from state court to federal court. Cunningham also believes that Trump's attorneys are likely to do just that.

"One hundred percent," Cunningham said. "That's the first thing he's going to do."

Trump has the prerogative to move the case from state court to federal court because he's a former president.

"As a former president, because the acts for which he would be prosecuted took place while he was still president, federal law would allow him to ask for his trial to be moved to federal court, called removal," Cunningham told WSB.
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Glad you finally agree.


We all agree with Jack Smith. Yay.:

Exactly the point. Trump was right. The election was stolen. The thing that they will attempt to do in the trial is to find him guilty of all kinds of things that 'run around' the stolen election, rather than allowing the evidence that shows that the election was stolen.

If Trump's attorneys aren't afraid of getting disbarred for bringing in the evidence, Trump will win, easily.

Agreed. It’s pretty embarrassing that 46% of USA voting population were gullible enough to vote for a
complete moron/grifter, failed businessman for president. The plus side being the majority of voting population did not vote for him
but due to a retarded, antiquated voting system he was elected potus anyway.




Dude, wtf are you on about? Trump is not getting prosecuted because “ government agencies don’t agree with
his views”. Trump is being prosecuted because he broke the law, plain and simple. His views have fuck all to do with it.



Then you should be applauding the fact that a thoroughly corrupt former potus and his toadie cronies are now being held accountable for their crimes of corruption.

Again, spreading the false idea that Trump is being judged by his ideas. It is not the case, he is judged because he very likely committed a number of felonies. His defence when he is caught breaking the law or trying to is "this is because of my enemies" - he will never ever take any responsibility.

 - when you are the POTUS you need to behave beyond any doubt of misbehaviours because you have an immense authority and influence. Trump has behaved worse than a Gansta Rap idol.

I would be scared of a place where the POTUS cannot be ever held accountable because of his donors and his sequestration of the Republican Party.


Look, just listen to the recorded call with Georgia's Governor. Trump starts bulliying the governor and saying that he has "lots of evidence" but he does not share any of it. And then simply starts saying to the guy that he is pretty much self-ending his political career if he does not find him "a few votes enough to win him  the election".

THAT is what is scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW_Bdf_jGaA

Ok but questioning the outcome of an election is not illegal.  Committing election fraud is.  They literally sent fake documents in pretending to be official electors.  Not provisional electors "just in case", they were strait up fraudulent documents claiming to be the actual electors.  Intimidating election workers to try and pressure them to lie and confess to rigging the election is also illegal.  And so is soliciting elected officials to commit election fraud (especially when you're the president and after asking for some helpful fraud you turn to threatening prosecution).

Part of the point is that Biden and many members of both the House and the Senate are doing far worse than Trump. But if they are receiving indictments for their wrongdoing, few people ever hear about it. It doesn't generally get into this forum.

The point is that the media heads, many government heads, and a bunch of big business heads are out to get Trump. Is it political? Maybe not entirely. But a lot of it is.

On the other side, most of average people like what Trump was doing. Does this mean they are ignorant? We didn't have the inflation we do, and business for the little people was becoming better. Now, with Biden, big inflation, which will probably get worse, and a bunch of other things that are going down hill for Americans in general. Trump would easily turn things around in his next 4 years.

Sounds an awful lot like political to me. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55119252


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MUST WATCH VIDEO: 10 minutes of Democrats denying election results.

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/15/democrats-denied-election-results-more-than-150-times-before-trump-was-indicted-for-challenging-election/
Democrats Denied Election Results 150+ Times Before Trump Was Indicted for Challenging Election

Although a Georgia grand jury indicted former President Donald Trump on Monday for challenging the 2020 election result, Democrats have refused to accept the results of elections they lost for decades.

As Breitbart News reported, more than 150 examples show Democrats denying election results, including President Joe Biden; two-time failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton; House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY); Reps. Barbara Lee (D-CA), Maxine Waters (D-CA), and Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX); and failed Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams.

In fact, every single Democrat president since 1977 has questioned the legitimacy of U.S. elections, according to the Republican National Committee. In both 2013 and 2016, Biden claimed that Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election. In May 2019, Biden said he “absolutely agrees” that Trump was an “illegitimate president.” Biden cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2022 midterms this year.

In 2006, then-DNC Chairman Howard Dean stated that he was “not confident that the [2004] election in Ohio was fairly decided.” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said it is “appropriate” to have a debate concerning the 2004 election and claimed that there were “legitimate concerns” regarding the “integrity” of U.S. elections. Then-Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) cast doubt on the security of electronic voting machines in the 2004 election, saying he was “worried” that some machines do not have a paper trail.

Democrats also cast doubt on the 2016 election. Seven House Democrats tried to object to the 2016 election electoral votes. After President Trump’s victory in 2016, 67 Democrats boycotted his inauguration, with some claiming Trump’s victory was not legitimate.
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The fourth and one of the most serious indictments against Donald Trump came. We are truly seeing history being done in front of our eyes.

To be honest, I don't personally think all this indicments are fully driven by political interest, because let us be honest, if someone did just a fraction of what Trump has managed to do, that person would be in jail wiring for trial. While Trump is still allowed to walk and do with campaign activities. He is privileged enough to get that treatment.

Interestingly, the best defense Trump's come up with is that "fact" he did not act with malice and actually thought the election had been stolen from him and he actually thought he had the rights to take all those secret papers home with him.

Agree. 

But and the worst part isn't  the permanent damage he's done to American intelligence agencies standing among our allies by hording documents and sharing war plans with writers a year after leaving office.

And not because he keeps pretending like he actually won an election he obviously lost and it wasn't even close.

It's not even the fact he keeps spreading ridiculous lies about the election, or attacking innocent election workers that have to go into hiding.

The most embarrassing part is how many Americans are so weak minded that they believe enough of what he says that he's likely going to be the gop nominee.

America looks like it's full of badeckers to the rest of the world.

This Trump situation is honestly one of the most embarrassing moments in American history. If we’re truly going to go down this path where government agencies try to jail candidates that don’t agree with their views then we are no better than 3rd world countries. I’m scared for a future where nobody is safe from corrupt government actions.

Indictment is drafted before the grand jury votes.

Jury votes.

Indictment is edited if jry votes to convict on some but not all charges.

Jury foreman signs indictment and it's sent to judge.