Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? - page 11.

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Quote from: Odusko on July 09, 2023, 06:35:30 AM

That is the fact because casino need revenue to run the business and anytime you see a a casino in consistency in operation it means that their are generating enough revenue to run the business and that revenues comes from the loses and tge wagering of their customers.
So that is why gambling winning os base on luck and accurate calculation because just one game can destroy the entire ticket, but also we can't deny the fact that a couple of players have won the bets and earned a high stake that will cover up for the multiple loses they record in the previous time.

I agree every casino is focused on revenue generation that is a fact. Still, you cannot ignore how they loot and sometimes scam users. There are a few casinos that stop gamblers from committing further losses while continuously losing. There have been a lot of instances when a user who has been winning constantly by following all the rules gets stopped and then banned. I do know that most of the time when investigated these guys were caught scamming. Still, there are a few who are still genuine but still get scammed by these casinos. Not everything is green on the other side of the fence.

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Quote from: Odusko on July 09, 2023, 06:35:30 AM

That is the fact because casino need revenue to run the business and anytime you see a a casino in consistency in operation it means that their are generating enough revenue to run the business and that revenues comes from the loses and tge wagering of their customers.
So that is why gambling winning os base on luck and accurate calculation because just one game can destroy the entire ticket, but also we can't deny the fact that a couple of players have won the bets and earned a high stake that will cover up for the multiple loses they record in the previous time.

I agree every casino is focused on revenue generation that is a fact. Still, you cannot ignore how they loot and sometimes scam users. There are a few casinos that stop gamblers from committing further losses while continuously losing. There have been a lot of instances when a user who has been winning constantly by following all the rules gets stopped and then banned. I do know that most of the time when investigated these guys were caught scamming. Still, there are a few who are still genuine but still get scammed by these casinos. Not everything is green on the other side of the fence.

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Quote from: 348Judah on July 03, 2023, 07:59:25 AM

You cannot expect to make use of a casino for your own profit maximization alone without being considerate enough to see them also making profits through your own mistakes when you're gambling, and this is both balanced by all means as the gamblers and casinos have the two experience common, the money we make use of is what serves as the gambling stake and a ground for the bet to take place with a effect, if you don't use money to gamble then you're doing other things similar to gambling but entirely different from gambling.

That is the fact because casino need revenue to run the business and anytime you see a a casino in consistency in operation it means that their are generating enough revenue to run the business and that revenues comes from the loses and tge wagering of their customers.
So that is why gambling winning os base on luck and accurate calculation because just one game can destroy the entire ticket, but also we can't deny the fact that a couple of players have won the bets and earned a high stake that will cover up for the multiple loses they record in the previous time.

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Quote from: 348Judah on July 03, 2023, 07:59:25 AM

You cannot expect to make use of a casino for your own profit maximization alone without being considerate enough to see them also making profits through your own mistakes when you're gambling, and this is both balanced by all means as the gamblers and casinos have the two experience common, the money we make use of is what serves as the gambling stake and a ground for the bet to take place with a effect, if you don't use money to gamble then you're doing other things similar to gambling but entirely different from gambling.

Maybe not entirely, as @STT rightly pointed out above, there can be some similarities. But by its main definition, gambling is to gamble is to play games of chance for money. So, if there's no money involved, it's not exactly gambling, let's establish that.

Yet, I wouldn't advise current or former gambling addicts to play such games as in the OP.

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You cannot expect to make use of a casino for your own profit maximization alone without being considerate enough to see them also making profits through your own mistakes when you're gambling, and this is both balanced by all means as the gamblers and casinos have the two experience common, the money we make use of is what serves as the gambling stake and a ground for the bet to take place with a effect, if you don't use money to gamble then you're doing other things similar to gambling but entirely different from gambling.

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I don't think that when money is not involved by those participants,it is called gamble. Gambling means that you must place a bet and that is what will make you more serious in it because you know that if you lose,your money is gone. In this case,there is nobody losing anything but you can win when you predict correctly,gambling is either profit or loss. Therefore,I can call such as a reward because for you to get rewarded,you must have shown some quality that is outstanding from the rest people that you took part in an event or in a assignment.

Yes, there must be something at stake to be considered gambling. It can be direct money or any other valuable physical or digital goods. wherever it goes, there must be financial gain and loss in some way, then it can be considered as gambling. however, not only casino or sports bets are considered gambling, any kind of betting is considered gambling. But there must be a financial relationship. so according to the op's topic it can be said Without money, nothing is not qualify as gambling

You are right that it is not a condition of the bet and it cannot be called a bet if it does not use money but the prize is getting money, is that considered as gambling?
Since the Op said the prediction is done for free and if the prediction is correct there will be a real money prize from here I think this might not be considered as gambling but isn't it like that would trigger people to gamble with real money?

Predictions, lotteries are all gamblers I think. When you predict something you are not using money but you are using your intelligence to test your luck so I consider it as gambling. i am not sure if my opinion is true or not. but I also consider the op's point to be a gamble. I think you get my point

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Quote from: crzy on April 20, 2023, 02:53:34 PM

Gambling involves money, so without this I don’t think its gambling.

Gambling does not always involves money. You can say, value of some sort or something you are putting at risk. Predicting something and acting on that by risking something should be called gambling.
For the OP, I think it could be called gambling but as you are not risking anything, just predicting, there's a thin line between gambling and not gambling. It can be different in people's perspective. It's just a fun game at this point. Something like a lottery.

I am still not sure what to call this but as long as you can make some money out of it, why not give it a try? But every free thing has a hidden purpose behind it. Maybe to collect personal data. Who knows? Be sure to check that out first.

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This particular site looks like it is being run by a casino and in order to claim your prize you have to be a member of this casino. It is just a promotion to attract players to do some real gambling. It is not a bad concept but I wonder if the prize money is worth it and if they will put up some obstacles that make it really difficult to actually withdraw your prize. Casino giveaways often come with burdensome requirements such as having to wager a certain amount before you can withdraw a bonus.

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There is a physiological and physiological effect in gambling that is either in play or if not present disqualifies the game from the feel of a proper gambling game for a gambler. To me any game can be valid, some or I think maybe all the largest risks Ive taken have been non monetary so to me gambling is every day not just within a casino. I dont encourage doing dangerous activities but its related in risk and gambling I think and in the brain the dopamine and all the internal reactions the body has to adrenaline response and feel good or not is related even without money. I know money is everything to alot of people but to me its not a proper description of whats going on with a risk based game, I mostly want to win thats the big deal.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on July 01, 2023, 09:16:11 PM

That's what we called friendly gambling or friendly game because there is still pride involved with it. Even without money, you can still gamble as long as there is something on the line, even if it is just a simple command, like if you lose, you'll do this. The feeling with it is not also the same with money on the line because this is more fun as both of you will be doing it and friendly mocking each other. Though this still depends on others views, we are not the same.

But it's going far to be off topic from the context. You have money and you can gamble with it. You have no money and you will not able to gambling. It's all related to the gambling. I don't even care what you have stated above was about friendly game or whatever it is but it's not related to the gambling.
Money is the main thing required in gambling as people are willing to doubled or tripled their money through putting it in the casino or sporsbetting.

People without money can't play casino. Money is the main purpose here in doing gambling. I believe you understood it.

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But for obvious reasons, some of the folks who are addicted to this kind on none betting game are higher than those who are actually addicted to real gambling where they have to stake an amount.

I believe what happens is that when there isn't money involved gamblers don't feel the excitement they use to have when betting for real money. When there is nothing to lose and nothing considerable to win the effects on your brain are different. The release of dopamine doesn't happen, your heart doesn't beat faster, you don't get chills. There aren't high expectations regards the outcome, because if winning or losing the bet it won't make any difference on your life.

It's like people say: no pain, no gain, although in gambling I think we could say: no risk, no thrill.

If it is a gambler, they will not find it any challenge as there is no money involved, and it can make them unwilling to continue. But if there is money, they will surely be eager to continue, and this is where the real temptation of gambling lies. And maybe if there weren't any money, prizes, or anything at stake, it wouldn't be gambling but just an ordinary game played by two or more people. And we also have often experienced it and maybe felt the fun playing the game. Like for example, we compete or play games on phones. We don't get money or anything but only find pleasure in playing it.

For any challenge , games or whatever has to do with casinos , it must always be considered that if there is no game there is no Excitement for some people, that is Something that cannot be Changed from one day to the Next, things When it comes to casinos it's Different , you have Interests that make your game monopolize attention, and it's the same essence of winning or losing money , of hitting it and you're the winner, I think that's what Makes Everything come true See so Interesting, when we Play with money that is not real, things can be Boring , but for educational and learning aspects it is what Normally should be done and play with play money.

So with a session where a player plays play money, then it is just gaming and not gambling, right? Even though there is no reward in using play money, I often find myself enjoying the spin made with the no-value bet since I am free to buy bonuses without spending any amount of money and see how it will unfold. Since I prefer base bet spinning than bonus buying due to limited bankroll, with play money, I can indulge myself on buying unlimited bonus buy. It is funny to think but I am really enjoying such thing.

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Quote from: coinerer on July 02, 2023, 10:30:55 AM

Quote from: Merit.s on July 02, 2023, 05:47:44 AM

I don't think that when money is not involved by those participants,it is called gamble. Gambling means that you must place a bet and that is what will make you more serious in it because you know that if you lose,your money is gone. In this case,there is nobody losing anything but you can win when you predict correctly,gambling is either profit or loss. Therefore,I can call such as a reward because for you to get rewarded,you must have shown some quality that is outstanding from the rest people that you took part in an event or in a assignment.

Yes, there must be something at stake to be considered gambling. It can be direct money or any other valuable physical or digital goods. wherever it goes, there must be financial gain and loss in some way, then it can be considered as gambling. however, not only casino or sports bets are considered gambling, any kind of betting is considered gambling. But there must be a financial relationship. so according to the op's topic it can be said Without money, nothing is not qualify as gambling

You are right that it is not a condition of the bet and it cannot be called a bet if it does not use money but the prize is getting money, is that considered as gambling?
Since the Op said the prediction is done for free and if the prediction is correct there will be a real money prize from here I think this might not be considered as gambling but isn't it like that would trigger people to gamble with real money?

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Quote from: Merit.s on July 02, 2023, 05:47:44 AM

I don't think that when money is not involved by those participants,it is called gamble. Gambling means that you must place a bet and that is what will make you more serious in it because you know that if you lose,your money is gone. In this case,there is nobody losing anything but you can win when you predict correctly,gambling is either profit or loss. Therefore,I can call such as a reward because for you to get rewarded,you must have shown some quality that is outstanding from the rest people that you took part in an event or in a assignment.

Yes, there must be something at stake to be considered gambling. It can be direct money or any other valuable physical or digital goods. wherever it goes, there must be financial gain and loss in some way, then it can be considered as gambling. however, not only casino or sports bets are considered gambling, any kind of betting is considered gambling. But there must be a financial relationship. so according to the op's topic it can be said Without money, nothing is not qualify as gambling

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For any challenge , games or whatever has to do with casinos , it must always be considered that if there is no game there is no Excitement for some people, that is Something that cannot be Changed from one day to the Next, things When it comes to casinos it's Different , you have Interests that make your game monopolize attention, and it's the same essence of winning or losing money , of hitting it and you're the winner, I think that's what Makes Everything come true See so Interesting, when we Play with money that is not real, things can be Boring , but for educational and learning aspects it is what Normally should be done and play with play money.

For this reason, gamblers prefer games that use money because they will feel the tension that can stimulate adrenaline and make them feel pleasure. The essence of gambling is that using money will make the game more exciting, especially when we can win and get money. That's what makes the difference between games that don't use money and those that use money. But if you don't use money or only play using demo mode, it's probably just a game, and there is no element of challenge for gamblers to get. And if there's no money, it's not gambling even though it's game in the casino, and we only use money that isn't real. It can make us feel very easy to win it.

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Quote from: Rabata on July 01, 2023, 08:00:55 AM

We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

When gambling you have to risk something that if you lose you also lose that thing that you staked earlier so what your friends were doing was betting or gambling depending on the name you want to give it. Betting or gambling isn't done with only money there's other things that can be used.

People can bet with anything that represents money to them or they have value in. Example if I was to stake my Bitcoin for a bet and someone doesn't know what Bitcoin is then they won't value it but for those that are informed about what bitcoin is, they'll accept the bet.

In your words there was an obligations that has to be done if anyone lose and that's what makes it a bet, the treat that had to be given is what's used to represent money in your example. Value was given to the treat like what money represent in the gambling world.

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You are making zero sense here. People who post contests in the games and rounds section like me pay for them out of our own volition. The winners are receiving the prizes free of charge as long as the contests are legit.

The winners are clearly getting a free lunch which implies that your statements are wrong. Think!

as I said, someone pays. not sure why you do it, but you recieve something back. merits can have value for example. I think I know the goal here.

Oh c'mon, man! There's an established meaning to the phrase "there is no free lunch". It doesn't mean "someone pays", rather it means you are paying without realizing it. And, in fact, you are paying nothing when using free bets. So, this phrase that our grandmas are so fancy to use all the time, it's not completely accurate in some cases nowadays.

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You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.

people don't understand the context here, can gambling without money be called gambling, it doesn't mean that participating in a contest can be called gambling even though playing gambling or competition because without using money it's hard to say it's gambling because there's nothing at stake, even in my opinion it's gambling using fake money or demo game can also be called gambling but unfortunately it is only fake money as a demo.

We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

That kind of play is different in gambling bets as this certainly talks about money and should be placed upon betting. Gambling is money, apart from that can't be considered gambling anymore as the loser will oblige to pay for his lost bets from his pocket and there is a sort of feelings or emotions. And to that example that you've cited, despite the fact that you lose, you are still happy doing it, treating your friends, unlike the feeling that you lose from gambling - that was a disappointment.

That's what we called friendly gambling or friendly game because there is still pride involved with it. Even without money, you can still gamble as long as there is something on the line, even if it is just a simple command, like if you lose, you'll do this. The feeling with it is not also the same with money on the line because this is more fun as both of you will be doing it and friendly mocking each other. Though this still depends on others views, we are not the same.

I don't think that when money is not involved by those participants,it is called gamble. Gambling means that you must place a bet and that is what will make you more serious in it because you know that if you lose,your money is gone. In this case,there is nobody losing anything but you can win when you predict correctly,gambling is either profit or loss. Therefore,I can call such as a reward because for you to get rewarded,you must have shown some quality that is outstanding from the rest people that you took part in an event or in a assignment.

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You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.

people don't understand the context here, can gambling without money be called gambling, it doesn't mean that participating in a contest can be called gambling even though playing gambling or competition because without using money it's hard to say it's gambling because there's nothing at stake, even in my opinion it's gambling using fake money or demo game can also be called gambling but unfortunately it is only fake money as a demo.

We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

That kind of play is different in gambling bets as this certainly talks about money and should be placed upon betting. Gambling is money, apart from that can't be considered gambling anymore as the loser will oblige to pay for his lost bets from his pocket and there is a sort of feelings or emotions. And to that example that you've cited, despite the fact that you lose, you are still happy doing it, treating your friends, unlike the feeling that you lose from gambling - that was a disappointment.

That's what we called friendly gambling or friendly game because there is still pride involved with it. Even without money, you can still gamble as long as there is something on the line, even if it is just a simple command, like if you lose, you'll do this. The feeling with it is not also the same with money on the line because this is more fun as both of you will be doing it and friendly mocking each other. Though this still depends on others views, we are not the same.

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Quote from: Rabata on July 01, 2023, 08:00:55 AM

We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

I disagree, if you are putting something at risk in an event that could go either way then this is a form of gambling, there are many fans which are so crazy about their teams that when two popular teams face each other their fans make all kind of bets among each other, and the ones that bring the most attention are not the ones that involve money but the ones which involve doing something humiliating or something extreme, like for example shaving all your head.

So while we are used to think about gambling exclusively as a way to risk our money, this is not really true if you think about it.

In the above post he said that if the party or people who lose will have to give the treat to the other party then it will qualify as a bet.

Although they do not have placed initial money on this bet but it is mutually understood between the two that the one who loses will give the treat and of course the treat will not be in the form of money but ofcourse it will be anything which has a value and can be counted in terms of money.

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Quote from: Rabata on July 01, 2023, 08:00:55 AM

We cannot consider any betting without money as gambling. There are some situations where money is not exchanged but is treated as a bet. I have some friends who sometimes bet with some others friends where they don't prioritize money. But if they lose the bet they are obliged to give treats. Can i consider such bets as gambling? Definitely not, Because there is no direct relation to money. Moreover, no one has any regrets even if they lose.

I disagree, if you are putting something at risk in an event that could go either way then this is a form of gambling, there are many fans which are so crazy about their teams that when two popular teams face each other their fans make all kind of bets among each other, and the ones that bring the most attention are not the ones that involve money but the ones which involve doing something humiliating or something extreme, like for example shaving all your head.

So while we are used to think about gambling exclusively as a way to risk our money, this is not really true if you think about it.

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