Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? - page 13.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on June 27, 2023, 01:37:34 AM

You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.

The truth for this is that we can refered to them all as gambling since what most of us understand as gambling is the involvement of a staked amount and since e in both playing inhouse games or making a prediction involve financial involvmennt with the expectations to win make them all gambling.
So at this point, we cant separate the two from each other and we must align ourselves with that u understanding.

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Well when we enter a casino we will always seek to win, no matter what we have read, that some do it for fun or entertainment, they will always seek to win, and if not, what remains is the fun, the good time that it has passed, the activation of the adrenaline, and a set of things that always makes us feel when we are in any casino site , the physical casinos give food , drinks , music , everything is an endless number of emotions that make our game more pleasant, and there it is good, if we know how to differentiate between Knowing how to lose and win , it is because we have great Maturity.

A Gambler can be surfing through the online casino platform without betting and just be navigating through, same way it can be applied to the casino house whereby not everyone there are gambling, some were just spectators while others were being there just to get entertained, others are there busy gambling, yet those not gambling were still found spending money while catching fun but they can't be regarded for gambling since they aren't betting.

Yes, that's one way of looking at it, but generally when a person is new to a casino, they take a look at all the games and they like it, and they want to participate, they want to be a protegist, that's why sometimes there are many who don't know they stand between making a deposit to the casino and making good bets, some people always look for easy games, cards, dice, something like that to warm up, crash, slots, roulette, all this in a casino is what most attracts people, no I can deny that I have always played roulette, and craps, then after a while my interest switched to slots.

With respect to slot machines, it is always good to keep in mind that it is better to choose things very measuredly, not go crazy and always hope for the best, be very patient and only spend what you are allowed to lose, there is no rush, it should not be There will be pressures for the game to be enjoyed.

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Quote from: Chipstars on June 27, 2023, 03:43:41 AM

Absolutely, it can still be called gambling even without money involved. The essence of gambling is staking something of value on an uncertain outcome. Money is often the most common "thing of value," but it could be anything from a prized possession to a person's time. So when playing a game for non-monetary stakes, such as pride, points, or even bragging rights, it can still be considered gambling if there's a risk and uncertainty involved.

Remember, the thrill of gambling comes from the uncertainty, not necessarily the prospect of winning money. Enjoy your games responsibly, whether they involve money or not!

What the heck are you talking about? The majority gamble in order to win big money and not for fun or the uncertainty factor. If there is no money involved, it cannot be called gambling at all.

The minority gamble for fun and the uncertainty factor matters to them, but it still can't be called gambling when money isn't involved.

And I think that just the opposite, more players play for the pleasure of playing and having fun and gambling in their free time. And in general, almost all people and players are even more well aware of the rule that "the casino never loses." And those who think that now he will win a lot of money and then more ... And more ... I think they will be disappointed. And then such a player comes to a sensible idea that what he lost is the price for the pleasure of playing. But there may be rare cases when a person won a large amount of money and abruptly stopped playing.
But this is probably a very rare case of sanity during the game.

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Quote from: Chipstars on June 27, 2023, 03:43:41 AM

Absolutely, it can still be called gambling even without money involved. The essence of gambling is staking something of value on an uncertain outcome. Money is often the most common "thing of value," but it could be anything from a prized possession to a person's time. So when playing a game for non-monetary stakes, such as pride, points, or even bragging rights, it can still be considered gambling if there's a risk and uncertainty involved.

Remember, the thrill of gambling comes from the uncertainty, not necessarily the prospect of winning money. Enjoy your games responsibly, whether they involve money or not!

What the heck are you talking about? The majority gamble in order to win big money and not for fun or the uncertainty factor. If there is no money involved, it cannot be called gambling at all.

The minority gamble for fun and the uncertainty factor matters to them, but it still can't be called gambling when money isn't involved.

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it is pretty clear what gambling is: you put YOUR money on the outcome of a totaly random event.
now that is pretty strict, since it does exclude things like poker, sport betting and so on, since there you put money on probabilities.

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Quote from: piebeyb on June 27, 2023, 01:47:37 AM

But the most important thing before going to play and gamble is the need for real money and or something of value such as an asset to be at stake so that it can be called gambling in its entirety because gambling without something at stake is rather difficult to call it gambling. Wink

What is certain is that if you don't use money, there is no challenge that people will feel because they can place bets with large amounts of demo money. Gamblers are looking for challenges like that, so it makes them come back for more. But if it's just for fun, they can play without using real money. Well, everyone must desire to gamble or just play without using money or anything that can excite them.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Absolutely, it can still be called gambling even without money involved. The essence of gambling is staking something of value on an uncertain outcome. Money is often the most common "thing of value," but it could be anything from a prized possession to a person's time. So when playing a game for non-monetary stakes, such as pride, points, or even bragging rights, it can still be considered gambling if there's a risk and uncertainty involved.

Remember, the thrill of gambling comes from the uncertainty, not necessarily the prospect of winning money. Enjoy your games responsibly, whether they involve money or not!

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

No, I don't think that it should be called gamble. It is giveaway, predict the future and whoever gets it right is compensated with a price for being smart. Perhaps,this can lure one into gambling because of the free money involved. You can decide to go into gambling because you feel you will have the predictions right. From my understanding gambling needs the gambler to stake some amount of money so that if he fails,he will lose something and if he wins,the he win have a reward. If you don't stake anything and partake in a game that the winner will be rewarded,it is not gambling but encouragement.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on June 27, 2023, 01:37:34 AM

You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.

people don't understand the context here, can gambling without money be called gambling, it doesn't mean that participating in a contest can be called gambling even though playing gambling or competition because without using money it's hard to say it's gambling because there's nothing at stake, even in my opinion it's gambling using fake money or demo game can also be called gambling but unfortunately it is only fake money as a demo.

But the most important thing before going to play and gamble is the need for real money and or something of value such as an asset to be at stake so that it can be called gambling in its entirety because gambling without something at stake is rather difficult to call it gambling. Wink

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Quote from: Alisha-k on June 27, 2023, 01:00:50 AM

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

I think yes as you are predicting the future and predicting the future it is called gambling because no one can predict the future correctly always,sometimes we see and choose the favorite team to win in a sport event but most of the time everybody is on a losing run.

This can also increase your desire to start real gambling with real money once you get used to it so even if it is not called gambling in the beginning,it has super high chances leading you to gambling so I would put this in the gambling category.

This is kinda funny because how would you say that "you predicting the future and predicting the future is called gambling", what if I predict that there is going to be rain tonight and the rain eventually falls which means I have predicted the future but does actually mean that I have gamble ? Answer=NO, because gambling has to be involved with taking of risk and predicting an unknown outcome with a possible result of you losing something that is involved which is the risk so even you predicting games with no risk involved is actually not gambling.

I completely understand your point, but, what happens in a case where you have free predictions to win a prize, if that's not gambling too, what Is it??

You may call it a contest where those who predict correctly wins the prizes. The difference between this and gambling is that here you are just participating in prediction without investing your own money while in gambling you would invest your own money in order to participate in prediction.
Anyways I do agree that most people will consider these two scenarios as same and will treat both of them as gambling.

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Quote from: Mr.suevie on April 20, 2023, 03:48:54 PM

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

I think yes as you are predicting the future and predicting the future it is called gambling because no one can predict the future correctly always,sometimes we see and choose the favorite team to win in a sport event but most of the time everybody is on a losing run.

This can also increase your desire to start real gambling with real money once you get used to it so even if it is not called gambling in the beginning,it has super high chances leading you to gambling so I would put this in the gambling category.

This is kinda funny because how would you say that "you predicting the future and predicting the future is called gambling", what if I predict that there is going to be rain tonight and the rain eventually falls which means I have predicted the future but does actually mean that I have gamble ? Answer=NO, because gambling has to be involved with taking of risk and predicting an unknown outcome with a possible result of you losing something that is involved which is the risk so even you predicting games with no risk involved is actually not gambling.

I completely understand your point, but, what happens in a case where you have free predictions to win a prize, if that's not gambling too, what Is it??

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Quote from: Rabata on June 25, 2023, 08:04:10 AM

There is no chance of getting rich if you don't take risks. A person who wins the lottery has taken a risk by buying the lottery. In every sector you have to give something to get something. Everything without money is worthless. There are some sites where you may earn some money for free if you work but it is not totally free because you provide time and work. Even if you want to gamble, you have to deposit money, otherwise it will never be gambling. Those who are prepared to lose something are also likely to gain something. The experience of risk and loss can bring fulfillment of gambling.

Money is the most basic essential demand in order to propel the entire gambling process. We rely on them to meet our basic needs and desires, and our top priority in the system is to accumulate enormous earnings through online casino games. Everything we do is risky; we take opportunities in order to survive, and survival equals triumph. Every component of gaming has a price to pay to get something in the system; you contribute, and you take. Nothing comes easily or for free; we make daily sacrifices to be able to put food on the table.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 22, 2023, 06:12:39 AM

Gambling without money can be seen as not gambling because finance is the major thing that triggers people to go into gambling for the sake of making profits from it. If you decide to bet without money involving in it, the two parties may not take it that seriously because they believe that money is nit involved in the bet so everyone that make the bet will not take it too seriously because funds is not involved.

Exactly because I believe winning and losing are what makes gambling interesting and fun as well and i wouldn't consider superpick as gambling but rather as raffle draw because I see no reason why one should be giving out no risk money to people and still call it gambling because the gambling i know, has to do with people risking money in forms of bets with hopes of making more money if there is a win and been asked to pick numbers and randomly select winners,
Wbats the bases of your selections and how are winners selected and I will also want to know if there are criteria to be selected a winner aside just picking the number?

I have a very peculiar way of playing, even if it sounds silly, I play first in demo mode, to see what the platform is like, to see the ways of betting, to see how the game behaves when I try to do different things, and this makes me It helps a lot, even for balance management, because sometimes I usually put in a lot of play money and see how the game behaves in the casino, and it works for me, because somehow I learn more about the casino and what things I shouldn't do with real money , this is something that I know that the players do not do, there are some who are so veterans that they do not need to do something like that, but it has happened to me that because I am believing that I know a lot and that I am a veteran, that I am wrong and that is It becomes a very big bet and I lose it and I am left without playing what I wanted, so that is why I prefer to do that, of course, it is my way of playing, it is something very personal.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on June 26, 2023, 12:46:51 AM

Quote from: capoeira on June 25, 2023, 04:05:07 PM

It's not free. someone pays for it

You are making zero sense here. People who post contests in the games and rounds section like me pay for them out of our own volition. The winners are receiving the prizes free of charge as long as the contests are legit.

The winners are clearly getting a free lunch which implies that your statements are wrong. Think!

as I said, someone pays. not sure why you do it, but you recieve something back. merits can have value for example. I think I know the goal here.

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Quote from: capoeira on June 25, 2023, 04:05:07 PM

It's not free. someone pays for it

You are making zero sense here. People who post contests in the games and rounds section like me pay for them out of our own volition. The winners are receiving the prizes free of charge as long as the contests are legit.

The winners are clearly getting a free lunch which implies that your statements are wrong. Think!

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Quote from: summonerrk on June 25, 2023, 12:55:46 PM

Nevertheless, Forex and gambling have very similar financial instruments for making money, which completely erase the line between trading and gambling. So - on Forex there is such a contract called an Option. An option is such a tool when you predict that the price of a certain currency pair will be lower or higher after a while, and if you guess, you will get +100 percent to the deposit. Does it remind you of anything? This is a one-on-one roulette game for red and black. At the same time, since our topic is about games and trading not for money, then why that Options can be used on demo accounts.

Binary options despite being available on many trading markets are considered to be a form of gambling by a great deal of traders, precisely because the similarities they have with gambling games in which the propositions are all or nothing, winning it all or lose it all.

Which is why many traders avoid them as they know the chances of winning consistently that kind of bet is almost impossible, especially since they have many other trades they can make in which they can actually generate some profits given enough time.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on June 23, 2023, 10:43:09 AM

Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

I wouldn't call that free if you are spending time, evaluating the results, researching, and analyzing teams to make predictions, the only thing is that you are not spending any money on the predictions but they are still predictions and you will spend time on it, so when you are working for something, that shouldn't be called free, as they say, time is money, so when you are not spending money but spending time, you are not getting the reward for free.

The app mentioned in the OP is most likely to be a fantasy sports platform where you can make predictions and stuff to get points, and if you make it to the top of the leaderboard, you get rewarded either with money or something else that is valuable. That isn't gambling but it is something you work for.

Correct, then you can bet with someone who is not betting money, and that depends on what you can agree on. But this concept of gambling will not work or be possible in any casino.
This is only applicable to the gamblers you know, then in the past when money was not fashionable there was gambling that was really called and what they paid for were things that were important to them, either food, animals and so on.

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There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only. but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down. However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

When Forex first appeared in my country, I immediately registered on it. I participated in demo accounts, and I will say that they are useless. It is better to trade for five dollars than on a demo. The same is true in gambling. Psychologically, I really don't want to do a demo, the brain understands that this does not bring any result. Only for familiarization with the interface. And if you can practice bot strategies on a demo account in forex, then this is not done on gambling.

Forex trading and Gambling is not same. Forex is an exchange platform where currencies of different countries are traded. Just as crypto is traded through different tokens or coins, Forex is done on the local currency of different countries. However, Forex can be compared to crypto future trading because leverage can be taken in Forex. Forex trading is done with leverage, so there is a lot of risk, so there is a demo account for training, but demo account is not necessary in gambling.

You are right, personally I think that sometimes some analogies can be made, because many people confuse the concept of playing and trading, and trading is not gambling, and those who see it that way are always given to luck and In trading things should not be like this, in casino games we cannot apply many strategies, some work and then not, and it does not mean that the strategies are bad, but that in casino games they will always be given by the their randomness, and that is very difficult because nothing is certain, on the other hand, in trading things change because there it depends on our strategy.

Forex isn't gambling because it involves making profit most times but gambling is done fun i.e it serves as a means of entertainment and you can only keep on losing in gamble. In forex if you understand the techniques and know how to the tools,it is possible that you will make profit daily.

On the other hand forex can have a professional in it but in gambling,there is no professional gambling because gambling is based on luck. Trading is not based on luck but on how best your strategy works for you. However both of them have similar risks but that is not enough for one to say that forex and gambling is the same.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 25, 2023, 06:22:12 AM

Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

Oh, really? What kind of universe you are visiting us from?

Here people are getting free stuff all the time. Check out the "Games and Rounds" section. If some of them manage to make their life worse because of that, it's sad and regrettable, but it's their problem, not everyone's.

Overall it's a hostile attitude to life: seeing a berry and thinking that it's necessarily poisonous. I mean, don't eat it right away, research first, but don't think everyone and nature itself wants to screw you.

It's not free. someone pays for it

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Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

Exactly put money and you gain money. Yes you can lose money too if you invest money but you can only become rich if you have the courage to take the risk.

There is no gambling without the money. There are a thousands of games which you can play and have fun online and offline , but when it comes to gambling it is always that you risk some money in order to gain or lose your Investments.

Gambling is for those big hearts who know that you have to risk the money in order to gain money and also in order to have fun.

There is no chance of getting rich if you don't take risks. A person who wins the lottery has taken a risk by buying the lottery. In every sector you have to give something to get something. Everything without money is worthless. There are some sites where you may earn some money for free if you work but it is not totally free because you provide time and work. Even if you want to gamble, you have to deposit money, otherwise it will never be gambling. Those who are prepared to lose something are also likely to gain something. The experience of risk and loss can bring fulfillment of gambling.

Yes, taking risks is integral to life, but it's vital to distinguish between thoughtful risks and reckless acts. The idea that wealth creation requires risk is partially true, provided the risks are informed.

Take lottery winners, for instance. While they risked buying a ticket, the odds of winning are minimal. It's not a dependable wealth route and often exploits those least able to gamble.

The notion that life without money lacks worth egregiously ignores the value of knowledge, skills, relationships, health, and personal satisfaction. The "deposit money or it's not gambling" idea simplifies gambling. We often gamble with time, health, and relationships too, not just money. We need to revisit our concepts of risk and value, widening the life context.

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