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There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only. but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down. However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

When Forex first appeared in my country, I immediately registered on it. I participated in demo accounts, and I will say that they are useless. It is better to trade for five dollars than on a demo. The same is true in gambling. Psychologically, I really don't want to do a demo, the brain understands that this does not bring any result. Only for familiarization with the interface. And if you can practice bot strategies on a demo account in forex, then this is not done on gambling.

Forex trading and Gambling is not same. Forex is an exchange platform where currencies of different countries are traded. Just as crypto is traded through different tokens or coins, Forex is done on the local currency of different countries. However, Forex can be compared to crypto future trading because leverage can be taken in Forex. Forex trading is done with leverage, so there is a lot of risk, so there is a demo account for training, but demo account is not necessary in gambling.

You are right, personally I think that sometimes some analogies can be made, because many people confuse the concept of playing and trading, and trading is not gambling, and those who see it that way are always given to luck and In trading things should not be like this, in casino games we cannot apply many strategies, some work and then not, and it does not mean that the strategies are bad, but that in casino games they will always be given by the their randomness, and that is very difficult because nothing is certain, on the other hand, in trading things change because there it depends on our strategy.

Nevertheless, Forex and gambling have very similar financial instruments for making money, which completely erase the line between trading and gambling. So - on Forex there is such a contract called an Option. An option is such a tool when you predict that the price of a certain currency pair will be lower or higher after a while, and if you guess, you will get +100 percent to the deposit. Does it remind you of anything? This is a one-on-one roulette game for red and black. At the same time, since our topic is about games and trading not for money, then why that Options can be used on demo accounts.

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There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only. but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down. However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

When Forex first appeared in my country, I immediately registered on it. I participated in demo accounts, and I will say that they are useless. It is better to trade for five dollars than on a demo. The same is true in gambling. Psychologically, I really don't want to do a demo, the brain understands that this does not bring any result. Only for familiarization with the interface. And if you can practice bot strategies on a demo account in forex, then this is not done on gambling.

Forex trading and Gambling is not same. Forex is an exchange platform where currencies of different countries are traded. Just as crypto is traded through different tokens or coins, Forex is done on the local currency of different countries. However, Forex can be compared to crypto future trading because leverage can be taken in Forex. Forex trading is done with leverage, so there is a lot of risk, so there is a demo account for training, but demo account is not necessary in gambling.

You are right, personally I think that sometimes some analogies can be made, because many people confuse the concept of playing and trading, and trading is not gambling, and those who see it that way are always given to luck and In trading things should not be like this, in casino games we cannot apply many strategies, some work and then not, and it does not mean that the strategies are bad, but that in casino games they will always be given by the their randomness, and that is very difficult because nothing is certain, on the other hand, in trading things change because there it depends on our strategy.

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Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

Exactly put money and you gain money. Yes you can lose money too if you invest money but you can only become rich if you have the courage to take the risk.

There is no gambling without the money. There are a thousands of games which you can play and have fun online and offline , but when it comes to gambling it is always that you risk some money in order to gain or lose your Investments.

Gambling is for those big hearts who know that you have to risk the money in order to gain money and also in order to have fun.

There is no chance of getting rich if you don't take risks. A person who wins the lottery has taken a risk by buying the lottery. In every sector you have to give something to get something. Everything without money is worthless. There are some sites where you may earn some money for free if you work but it is not totally free because you provide time and work. Even if you want to gamble, you have to deposit money, otherwise it will never be gambling. Those who are prepared to lose something are also likely to gain something. The experience of risk and loss can bring fulfillment of gambling.

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Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

Oh, really? What kind of universe you are visiting us from?

Here people are getting free stuff all the time. Check out the "Games and Rounds" section. If some of them manage to make their life worse because of that, it's sad and regrettable, but it's their problem, not everyone's.

Overall it's a hostile attitude to life: seeing a berry and thinking that it's necessarily poisonous. I mean, don't eat it right away, research first, but don't think everyone and nature itself wants to screw you.

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Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

I wouldn't call that free if you are spending time, evaluating the results, researching, and analyzing teams to make predictions, the only thing is that you are not spending any money on the predictions but they are still predictions and you will spend time on it, so when you are working for something, that shouldn't be called free, as they say, time is money, so when you are not spending money but spending time, you are not getting the reward for free.

The app mentioned in the OP is most likely to be a fantasy sports platform where you can make predictions and stuff to get points, and if you make it to the top of the leaderboard, you get rewarded either with money or something else that is valuable. That isn't gambling but it is something you work for.

Time is money, indeed,
but you can spend tons of time without producing any value.
They seem to offer some kind of value to you without requesting any value from you. This doesn't exist.
You think Google is free, for example? It is not, my man. We pay for it because we pay for the merchandising embedded into the products.

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Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

Exactly put money and you gain money. Yes you can lose money too if you invest money but you can only become rich if you have the courage to take the risk.

There is no gambling without the money. There are a thousands of games which you can play and have fun online and offline , but when it comes to gambling it is always that you risk some money in order to gain or lose your Investments.

Gambling is for those big hearts who know that you have to risk the money in order to gain money and also in order to have fun.

While some individuals may have the financial means and knowledge to take higher risks, it is generally not advisable for the average person to view gambling as a free meal. Basically gambling is every day life and it is not about money really, it is much more about daily decisions at work, home or in their business that are taken unVer uncertain conditions, thus being bets.

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Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

Exactly put money and you gain money. Yes you can lose money too if you invest money but you can only become rich if you have the courage to take the risk.

There is no gambling without the money. There are a thousands of games which you can play and have fun online and offline , but when it comes to gambling it is always that you risk some money in order to gain or lose your Investments.

Gambling is for those big hearts who know that you have to risk the money in order to gain money and also in order to have fun.

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Quote from: capoeira on June 21, 2023, 07:29:33 AM

there is no free lunch

I wouldn't call that free if you are spending time, evaluating the results, researching, and analyzing teams to make predictions, the only thing is that you are not spending any money on the predictions but they are still predictions and you will spend time on it, so when you are working for something, that shouldn't be called free, as they say, time is money, so when you are not spending money but spending time, you are not getting the reward for free.

The app mentioned in the OP is most likely to be a fantasy sports platform where you can make predictions and stuff to get points, and if you make it to the top of the leaderboard, you get rewarded either with money or something else that is valuable. That isn't gambling but it is something you work for.

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If I understand what you are saying and you are right, I know that patience can help us a lot, but when we are playing it is obvious that we always want to win, and that desire leads us to a point where we forget patience and the adrenaline starts to exert more force on us, we can get desperate, stressed and forget about what we are willing to spend, that is why the word "self-control" comes out a lot but it is very difficult to control it, the truth is that when patience is combined with "self-control" it is the winning combination for everything, but for us as good humans emotions sometimes play us Wrong and we forget.

So gamblers are so desperate to earn money and they do not have patience. So how would they agree on playing games where there is no money to be earned. This is why it is very much clear that the main purpose of gambling is to earn money and for that you need to spend your money. If we ask gamblers to play games without any incentive of earning, they will simply refuse.
Also, this clears that most people (more than 90% do not gamble for fun, but only gamble for money, Right?

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I don't see arresting people who play in makeshift casinos or street games as a crime, the police should take care of the real ruffians, who are the ones who kill, commit crimes, that's what makes them policemen Don't arrest people who are looking for fun and who don't hurt anyone, those are the things that governments and control entities do that don't let others do what they want. In my country, at one time they did those procedures because Casinos were prohibited, and that is something I never agreed with, now casinos are legal as long as they give the government a good cut.

Here again, the police is looking for an easy target, and for them, the gamblers are the easiest target as they do not possess any weapons and they are not trained criminals. If the police go after the real criminals, they will have to make an effort and in some cases, their life may also be in danger when they encounter with the criminals. Sadly police will come after those who are gambling on street games or places where gambling is prohibited.

Well yes, the truth cannot be hidden, I think that most people only play to see if they can have extra money, some do well and I think many do very badly, but that is what the game is about, everything is a risk and those who risk a lot because they don't do very well, I think that in order for a person to be able to risk a lot, they have to have a very strong, very good economic option so that they can resist losses, otherwise I think that an average person What you can do is set aside a very small amount for your fun, it should be just for your fun , because if you want to use the casino as a way to make money , it's the worst thing you Can Do.

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If you can win money even without putting money at first then I think yes it can qualify as gambling
Depends on the game too
Poker as an example can be played to make money and won’t be qualified as gambling but as a skill game

On the other hand I wouldn’t be so sure to define something as gambling if you can’t lose money

Without money been at stake it doesn't qualify as gambling because we have so many activities that people can participate in and they're organized by companies for the purpose of promoting their brand. In such activities, you can win cash prizes and you weren't gambling

Some companies organized a lottery system for their customers and they can win by buying more goods from their shopes or making use of the service that he companies are offering. Then they can randomly select winners by using some criteria and gifting them prizes.

I support your thoughts of it been gambling when you can lose money which means there has to be money stakes by one or two persons for you to be able to lose it. Anything that has money stakes can be classified as gambling, you might be playing with another person or computer.

It is compelling to note your clarification regarding the distinction between promotional activities and gambling. However, it seems essential to emphasize that the underlying risk and chance factor in such activities make them somewhat analogous to gambling. Indeed, corporate lotteries and similar promotions might not require a direct financial stake from participants. Still, their transaction with the company – purchasing more goods or using services – essentially becomes an indirect form of staking. Hence, the 'risk' element is preserved, albeit in a camouflaged manner.

Nonetheless, your perspective on the requirement of monetary stakes for an activity to be classified as gambling has merit, and aligns with traditional gambling definitions. The prospect of potential loss undoubtedly amplifies the thrill and uncertainty associated with gambling. Be it against a human or computer, the exciting yet precarious nature of this activity calls for responsible participation.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 15, 2023, 03:54:49 PM

If you can win money even without putting money at first then I think yes it can qualify as gambling
Depends on the game too
Poker as an example can be played to make money and won’t be qualified as gambling but as a skill game

On the other hand I wouldn’t be so sure to define something as gambling if you can’t lose money

If you can win money with putting you can call it a gambling. I don't think you are correct. I guess you know the games and rounds child board where give away is made. So, if I go to the thread and apply for a draw and after the draw my name is among the winners, have I actually gambled?
I think you must put in something be it money or properties in test of your luck for it to be called gambling.

I think there was a little misunderstanding, tho.
He meant they it should be called gambling, even though, one as a player did not put any wager and still there is a chance to win money.

I see it this way: if a casino offers a welcome bonus which somehow does not require you to deposit to claim, (let us assume it is a small bonus: 5$) you can still roll dices and spin a roulette with it, get hooked up and earn more because of your luck, so in my opinion, still qualifies as gambling.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 15, 2023, 03:54:49 PM

If you can win money even without putting money at first then I think yes it can qualify as gambling
Depends on the game too
Poker as an example can be played to make money and won’t be qualified as gambling but as a skill game

On the other hand I wouldn’t be so sure to define something as gambling if you can’t lose money

If you can win money with putting you can call it a gambling. I don't think you are correct. I guess you know the games and rounds child board where give away is made. So, if I go to the thread and apply for a draw and after the draw my name is among the winners, have I actually gambled?
I think you must put in something be it money or properties in test of your luck for it to be called gambling.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 15, 2023, 03:54:49 PM

If you can win money even without putting money at first then I think yes it can qualify as gambling
Depends on the game too
Poker as an example can be played to make money and won’t be qualified as gambling but as a skill game

On the other hand I wouldn’t be so sure to define something as gambling if you can’t lose money

I think all games where you bet money or have the chance to win money qualify as gambling. This includes poker, even though you only play against other players and there is no casino that plays against you. As long as there is randomness in the games involved it's gambling in my eyes. In poker even the best player in the world is not guaranteed to make a profit every night. That's why the professional players like to play many tables at the same time to increase their number of hands played per hour. When you are dealt AA you can still lose against many other hands, or have everybody fold to your raise. The uncertainty about the future is what classifies it as gambling for me.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 14, 2023, 12:47:25 PM

Pretty sure I've commented on this before but gambling and money are not necessarily a hand in hand marriage. For example, we can bet on an outcome and instead of money, maybe we bet our time on a chore or some other favor. Going farther, you can even ask what is money? Is gambling Bitcoin gambling money? Is gambling gold gambling money? I think that in itself is enough to consider this question as answered. Yes, you can gamble anything, not just money. You can even gamble things that aren't physical, like time and effort.

I think in this discussion thread by "money" we mean anything that is of a value. If you put something of a value at stake, that's gambling, but if you don't risk anything, that's not. If you play Zynga Poker on Facebook - you are not gambling, but if you are trading cryptocurrencies, you are. Buying something from an unknown vendor is gambling, in a way, but getting it for free is not.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 15, 2023, 03:54:49 PM

If you can win money even without putting money at first then I think yes it can qualify as gambling
Depends on the game too
Poker as an example can be played to make money and won’t be qualified as gambling but as a skill game

On the other hand I wouldn’t be so sure to define something as gambling if you can’t lose money

Without money been at stake it doesn't qualify as gambling because we have so many activities that people can participate in and they're organized by companies for the purpose of promoting their brand. In such activities, you can win cash prizes and you weren't gambling

Some companies organized a lottery system for their customers and they can win by buying more goods from their shopes or making use of the service that he companies are offering. Then they can randomly select winners by using some criteria and gifting them prizes.

I support your thoughts of it been gambling when you can lose money which means there has to be money stakes by one or two persons for you to be able to lose it. Anything that has money stakes can be classified as gambling, you might be playing with another person or computer.

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But for obvious reasons, some of the folks who are addicted to this kind on none betting game are higher than those who are actually addicted to real gambling where they have to stake an amount.

I believe what happens is that when there isn't money involved gamblers don't feel the excitement they use to have when betting for real money. When there is nothing to lose and nothing considerable to win the effects on your brain are different. The release of dopamine doesn't happen, your heart doesn't beat faster, you don't get chills. There aren't high expectations regards the outcome, because if winning or losing the bet it won't make any difference on your life.

It's like people say: no pain, no gain, although in gambling I think we could say: no risk, no thrill.

If it is a gambler, they will not find it any challenge as there is no money involved, and it can make them unwilling to continue. But if there is money, they will surely be eager to continue, and this is where the real temptation of gambling lies.

We can consider as a bet or gamble only when a few important factors are met. Otherwise, we cannot think of it as gambling.
To be a bet we must be concerned with money. There will be an opportunity to win or loss. It will also be risky. A gambler will take a risk in exchange for the possibility of getting more money from the bet. The gambler will depend on the probability and he is willing to take the risk. Gamblers typically will love to enjoy the excitement derived from this uncertainty and whenever these things are organized, we can imagine it as a gamble.

And before taking the plunge, the gambler must consider how much he is risking and how he can reduce his risk factors so he doesn't lose more. Only in this way can he get pleasure from gambling, and maybe the risk of losing will also be reduced.

Some gamblers only play games without using money, such as games at casinos using the demo mode. They do that to see the game and get a feel for it. If they feel that the game is interesting, they will use the money to gamble immediately in real mode.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on June 15, 2023, 03:54:49 PM

If you can win money even without putting money at first then I think yes it can qualify as gambling
Depends on the game too
Poker as an example can be played to make money and won’t be qualified as gambling but as a skill game

On the other hand I wouldn’t be so sure to define something as gambling if you can’t lose money

Which came you are referring where you do not put the money and still you have the chances to win money ?

When you talk about gambling it is all about risk and the risk come when you invest the money. You put the money on a game, gamble it, risk it and in the end you win some money or lose your seed money. This is called gambling and I think without the money I will not considered any game as a gamble.

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But for obvious reasons, some of the folks who are addicted to this kind on none betting game are higher than those who are actually addicted to real gambling where they have to stake an amount.

I believe what happens is that when there isn't money involved gamblers don't feel the excitement they use to have when betting for real money. When there is nothing to lose and nothing considerable to win the effects on your brain are different. The release of dopamine doesn't happen, your heart doesn't beat faster, you don't get chills. There aren't high expectations regards the outcome, because if winning or losing the bet it won't make any difference on your life.

It's like people say: no pain, no gain, although in gambling I think we could say: no risk, no thrill.

If it is a gambler, they will not find it any challenge as there is no money involved, and it can make them unwilling to continue. But if there is money, they will surely be eager to continue, and this is where the real temptation of gambling lies.

We can consider as a bet or gamble only when a few important factors are met. Otherwise, we cannot think of it as gambling.
To be a bet we must be concerned with money. There will be an opportunity to win or loss. It will also be risky. A gambler will take a risk in exchange for the possibility of getting more money from the bet. The gambler will depend on the probability and he is willing to take the risk. Gamblers typically will love to enjoy the excitement derived from this uncertainty and whenever these things are organized, we can imagine it as a gamble.

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This thread is interesting because everything focuses on the game with betting money or not, that is, betting something that makes us happy and having that moment of winning or losing, that when we win or are in that process our mind and body experience Emotions that some It makes you laugh, cry or sad, I have said many times that if you have to bet to win, you have to take risks because there is no other way to win, in life you have to take risks, here in casinos, in sports betting Things work that way, there is no other way, you have to bet , if you win, Excellent, if you lose, then wait for another opportunity , it's that simple.

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My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

I won't regard this as gambling because no money is staked. There is completely nothing to lose if the prediction goes wrong so I will just call it a luck trial. Gambling to me involves staking something with the hope that our predictions will give us access to more funds. But as long as nothing is staked and there is nothing to lose and little or no emotion will get involved it is just a way to try out how lucky you can be.

But it doesn't mean that if the money is not on the line it will not be gambling, as long as there is on the line like having some sort of chores it is still gambling because as long you have something on bet it is still betting. It is really boring if you are just watching the game without any bets because you couldn't earn if your supporting teams losses.You are right no emotions is involved and it is just some sort of friendly games

Betting is a good when it involves in money or let just say involves with things. Because we can considered as a gambling if there's a bet even money or a thing., as long as you and your opponent have the deal then for me it will called gambling. I will agree with you mate it because every when you are watching the game without the curiosity of betting then for me it's boring.

A person will always pay attention to what they do if they have money to win or lose, that is what normally gives them emotions, and if it is understandable, because playing for the sake of playing, it can be an option , but when the money is there betting or risking It is something else , what I Think is that if it can be seen as a bet without money it is something boring , but I always see that for some they bet under any circumstance and if they lose they do not care , there are Really people who have lost the fear of losing, for that is that anything they do without denomination is not good for them.

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