Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? - page 17.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on June 12, 2023, 07:19:32 AM

Quote from: Desmong on June 12, 2023, 07:09:49 AM

Carefulness is very important as a gambler so that we are not going to end up losing big to casinos on the way we choose to bet.
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The discussion is not about carefulness in gambling or related to that at all, op is asking that if you do not stake any money on a game you are playing, maybe you and your friends are playing a card game, and you guys did not stake any money, would you still consider that as a gambling?

I believe the user Desmong just made this comment just to fill the post quarter for signature campaign without reading through the thread and what discussion have already been established, because this comment is totally off-topic and unconnected to what the discussion has been here.

Back to the topic of discussion, I think for clarity's sake we need to separate the two terms from each other that is, playing games just for fun vs playing to win the staked amount and what we make of them, either to call it gambling or just cashing fun.

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 11, 2023, 03:48:56 PM

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Quote from: Alphie12 on June 10, 2023, 09:15:14 PM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Without staking your money or properties, it should not be called gambling. For it to be called gambling you should be ganing or losing something. Atleast this is my layman's understanding of gambling as it happens in my country and online across the globe.
There could be a different scenario if some will argue from the higher stand that someone is investing his time in that kind of DSTV super picks game.
Well, if there is something you ought to do with your time and then you left it to play the dstv game, will it be counted that you stakes your time?

Yes, a normal game can be considered gambling when there is money wagered on it. For example, LUDO is a family game but when one party plays against another party and bets are placed and money is exchanged, it is also considered as gambling. Thus betting on any game is called gambling. So it is accepted that it cannot be considered as gambling if there is no monetary wager

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Quote from: Desmong on June 12, 2023, 07:09:49 AM

Carefulness is very important as a gambler so that we are not going to end up losing big to casinos on the way we choose to bet.
I like using bonus to bet on casinos and making some good amount of profits since I always do make loses with my money that is why any bonus spinning I get used to give me good profits.

The discussion is not about carefulness in gambling or related to that at all, op is asking that if you do not stake any money on a game you are playing, maybe you and your friends are playing a card game, and you guys did not stake any money, would you still consider that as a gambling?

I want to believe you did not even read the op before making this comment, as I see it to be totally off topic, your comment can easily get deleted by the mod if reported, I will just advice you to always read the op before making a comment, so that you don't go making comments that is totally off topic from what is being discussed.

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Carefulness is very important as a gambler so that we are not going to end up losing big to casinos on the way we choose to bet.
I like using bonus to bet on casinos and making some good amount of profits since I always do make loses with my money that is why any bonus spinning I get used to give me good profits.

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Quote from: STT on June 11, 2023, 05:44:42 PM

Throwing marbles in a game is gambling, coins against a wall is gambling also even if its just expired coins used. We used to play cartoon card games where you lose the card if you lose the game, again no money but the card has a value of some kind from almost zero but tiny amount to much more maybe a months wages in equivalence so that too is gambling.

A few times we can say the tokens only have worth because of the gambling game, its a chicken and egg scenario.
Theres no way to shut down gambling only be obstructive in some way but people will bet on camels if they want to and win or lose coconuts its a human right to do so imo but not everywhere.

In essence, gambling is risking something of value for a payoff that is impossible to predict. The stakes could be as unusual as a meme rather than hard currency.

That friend of yours is spot on. A wager on a camel racing can be considered gambling if we use this definition. The potential for bigger gain is secondary to the excitement of taking a chance. It's still important to maintain a level of humour and common sense. Keep in mind that this is all in jest.

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Quote from: ScamViruS on June 11, 2023, 04:40:36 PM

What the OP is saying is also a form of gambling, because participating in a game by predicting its future is also gambling. It is also not correct to say that only the game involving money is gambling and all others are not gambling.

Quote from: Odusko on June 08, 2023, 01:02:59 AM

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Card games are considered illegal in countries where gambling is not legal, causing police to arrest players even if no money is involved. According to the rules of the country, if the card game is considered illegal to play publicly, then the police will arrest the players. I myself have seen many players get arrested just for playing cards in public places, they were just playing the game for entertainment.

Those are strange rules, but if according to the country's laws playing card games publicly is considered illegal, citizens should abide. If most people don't like it, they should do all they can to change the law, or move to another country if they find out that they are the minority. In most places gambling means staking of something of value, but there can be some odd places where anything resembling gambling is illegal too. To me it's like pressing charges on someone for carrying a gun when it's only a children's water gun like this one

saying that it will lead to using real guns in the future.

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Quote from: ScamViruS on June 11, 2023, 04:40:36 PM

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Unfortunately, it seems most of you guys do not read the previous comments before posting yours! I've said it before and I'll repeat it here: if money or any thing else valuable is at steak then it shouldn't be considered as gambling.
Gamblinf is when you put something valuable at risk, there is a chance to double It or rosev it.

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Throwing marbles in a game is gambling, coins against a wall is gambling also even if its just expired coins used. We used to play cartoon card games where you lose the card if you lose the game, again no money but the card has a value of some kind from almost zero but tiny amount to much more maybe a months wages in equivalence so that too is gambling.

A few times we can say the tokens only have worth because of the gambling game, its a chicken and egg scenario.
Theres no way to shut down gambling only be obstructive in some way but people will bet on camels if they want to and win or lose coconuts its a human right to do so imo but not everywhere.

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What the OP is saying is also a form of gambling, because participating in a game by predicting its future is also gambling. It is also not correct to say that only the game involving money is gambling and all others are not gambling.

Quote from: Odusko on June 08, 2023, 01:02:59 AM

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Card games are considered illegal in countries where gambling is not legal, causing police to arrest players even if no money is involved. According to the rules of the country, if the card game is considered illegal to play publicly, then the police will arrest the players. I myself have seen many players get arrested just for playing cards in public places, they were just playing the game for entertainment.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Op it is gambling, even the website link you drop shows sports activities. So such prediction is also gambling. Gambling is not only placing money against odds or opposing one another. I believed DStv is using that to gather customers to their Decoder. That is a way of advertisement. Gambling can be verbal saying. So you know that politics is also gambling? Anything one does to win something it is gambling. People think it is only when you use money is called gambling but that is not true. Gambling has different ways.

It looks like you are changing the meaning of gambling. It has been established that anything that has stake (bet), risk and reward is called gambling. It cannot be gambling if there is no bet involved because there is no risk of losing something important. Competitions like singing competitions, dancing competitions, and sports tournaments are not gambling but they are given a prize in case they win.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Op it is gambling, even the website link you drop shows sports activities. So such prediction is also gambling. Gambling is not only placing money against odds or opposing one another. I believed DStv is using that to gather customers to their Decoder. That is a way of advertisement. Gambling can be verbal saying. So you know that politics is also gambling? Anything one does to win something it is gambling. People think it is only when you use money is called gambling but that is not true. Gambling has different ways.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 11, 2023, 03:44:18 PM

Quote from: Alphie12 on June 10, 2023, 09:15:14 PM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Without staking your money or properties, it should not be called gambling. For it to be called gambling you should be ganing or losing something. Atleast this is my layman's understanding of gambling as it happens in my country and online across the globe.
There could be a different scenario if some will argue from the higher stand that someone is investing his time in that kind of DSTV super picks game.
Well, if there is something you ought to do with your time and then you left it to play the dstv game, will it be counted that you stakes your time?

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Quote from: Alphie12 on June 10, 2023, 09:15:14 PM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

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Quote from: coinerer on June 08, 2023, 08:51:09 AM

There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only. but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down. However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

casinos profit thanks to people's losses so it doesn't make much sense for a casino to create a demo account for people, as no matter how much that person spends months practicing at the end of the day when that person puts money in the casino that person will lose money, It is something inevitable that happens, and we see that professional gamblers or so-called betting gurus prefer to keep creating youtube channels and earn money with their youtube channels, sell books, give courses and other things but do not earn money playing, probably they don't even play

they lie to their followers talking about predictions and how they think game x or z will end, but they don't show who they bet on, whereas in forex the owners of forex sites profit from trade fees from the buy and sell that each person keeps doing it for the forex site and it is more advantageous to teach people how to trade so that people do not give up on the trade, hence the reason for placing demo accounts, this is the difference between forex and casinos. now when you count the number of people who were lucky to win a lot of money the casino is ahead of forex, lottery players are always the top winners in history

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same as my view because i cant expect myself using all the time i am supposed to gamble for real money in playing in some online free games, it's not possible and if I have much time I will rather spend it gambling for real money because even while we playing for fun, we still have to add money to it to make it more motivating on the long run.

Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.

Patience is an art, we cannot have anything without patience, we as players and as people who are risking money all the time, we might think that things have to go another way, you have to be patient in everything, this is for achieve what we set out to do, here things can be seen from many points of view, the one that has the most for us is that we don't care about money, we just want to play at any cost, the bad thing is when you lose, because when That happens, we reflect and have a greater vision of things and of our game,but we must not reach that point, we must be more Intelligent to realize when we Should have some strategy to enter and test the Games well.

- In the first place, I want you to know that I want to criticize what you are saying here. You mentioned that patience is like an Art.
I agree with what you said and I have no argument with you on this matter either. Now, for my opinion, a person's patience has no relation to playing gambling. Because being patient belongs to the so-called virtues and gambling is not included in the word "Virtues".

But I still agree with what you said that if we gamble it should only be done as a hobby or just for fun, it shouldn't cause us stress or problems in the end just because we lost playing gambling. Gambling skills are also not necessary if you are the type of gambler who relies on luck.

Relying on luck depends greatly on the game the gambler is playing, so it is not on the gamblers hand to rely on luck, the game the gambler decides to play is what determines whether the gambler should rely on luck or not..
For example, somebody playing online slot games have no other choice or option, other than to rely on luck, on the other hand, somebody who's betting on sports matches must be force to always follow up on games, by watching the match or following the live scores of every match, this is how the gambler gets to learn about different teams and their abilities, and inabilities, this help to know which team to put your Bet On anything there is a match coming up or going on..

Any gambler who is betting on sports games and really completely on luck will only loose until he or she is completely frustrated with gambling.

Intriguing perspective! Indeed, virtues and gambling might seem like oil and water. But let's consider this: virtues aren't just for virtuous actions. Even in contexts we wouldn't consider "virtuous," we can bring our virtues to bear.

Let's dissect this patience angle. Patience, when applied to gambling, isn't about sanctifying the act but rather mitigating impulsivity, promoting strategic thinking, and managing potential losses.

Coming to luck, yes, it's the driving force in some games, like slots. You could say it's like tossing a coin into a wishing well and hoping for the best. But for sports betting, it's a different beast altogether. It's like a game of chess; you need to understand the teams, the players, the strategies. Betting on sports blindly is akin to jumping off a plane without checking your parachute - not recommended.

You hit the nail on the head, especially in that patience serves to mitigate impulsiveness, and if we start to see when we play without control and have some anger because a lot has been lost, what leads us to continue playing is that impulse to keep playing and playing h until you win, and when those results don't occur is when things start to get out of control and of course when a person fails to mitigate that type of impulse it can lead to bankruptcy, that's why there are so many cases of gambling addiction, when people are looking for more money to gamble and things go to the dump because of addiction.

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There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only. but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down. However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

When Forex first appeared in my country, I immediately registered on it. I participated in demo accounts, and I will say that they are useless. It is better to trade for five dollars than on a demo. The same is true in gambling. Psychologically, I really don't want to do a demo, the brain understands that this does not bring any result. Only for familiarization with the interface. And if you can practice bot strategies on a demo account in forex, then this is not done on gambling.

Forex trading and Gambling is not same. Forex is an exchange platform where currencies of different countries are traded. Just as crypto is traded through different tokens or coins, Forex is done on the local currency of different countries. However, Forex can be compared to crypto future trading because leverage can be taken in Forex. Forex trading is done with leverage, so there is a lot of risk, so there is a demo account for training, but demo account is not necessary in gambling.

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Quote from: Alphie12 on June 10, 2023, 09:15:14 PM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Exactly, it's a simple fact that when you don't have anything up at stake from your side, you are not gambling, it's simple as that. Gambling is the act of betting something valuable over an upcoming result of something and if you lose the bet, you will lose something that is valuable like money, a belonging, your time, or anything in general that has some value, if you are not losing anything, even if you are playing a gambling game, it is not gambling.

Playing a game that has a reward for you to win if you perform well doesn't qualify as gambling even if the game is generally used for gambling, but since you are not losing anything even if you don't top the leaderboard and win something, because you did not pay anything for doing that.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 22, 2023, 06:12:39 AM

Gambling without money can be seen as not gambling because finance is the major thing that triggers people to go into gambling for the sake of making profits from it. If you decide to bet without money involving in it, the two parties may not take it that seriously because they believe that money is nit involved in the bet so everyone that make the bet will not take it too seriously because funds is not involved.

Exactly because I believe winning and losing are what makes gambling interesting and fun as well and i wouldn't consider superpick as gambling but rather as raffle draw because I see no reason why one should be giving out no risk money to people and still call it gambling because the gambling i know, has to do with people risking money in forms of bets with hopes of making more money if there is a win and been asked to pick numbers and randomly select winners,
Wbats the bases of your selections and how are winners selected and I will also want to know if there are criteria to be selected a winner aside just picking the number?

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on June 08, 2023, 10:22:49 PM

The police can easily plant evidence on everyone they see playing gambling, especially if the goal of the police is to arrest everyone who gambles in that place. And while people may hide their money in their pockets or elsewhere, the police can find them. That's what makes me wonder

I think they think that playing in public is still okay and safe from police raids but after information about this gambling activity disturbed the public, the police came and arrested the people. Maybe it's better that they have a place to gamble that people don't know about so they can feel safe.

In countries where gambling is not legal, gamblers may be arrested if new law enforcement officers see them gambling in public. Moreover, even where gambling is legal, street gambling activities will also be treated as a punishable offence.

Quote from: Odusko on June 08, 2023, 01:02:59 AM

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.

Any game that is often seen in gambling can be associated with gambling. Many here may claim he didn't gamble but he was arrested by the police. Then the matter will depend on the investigation. However, a person who is temporarily trapped may be harassed to some extent.

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There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only. but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down. However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.

When Forex first appeared in my country, I immediately registered on it. I participated in demo accounts, and I will say that they are useless. It is better to trade for five dollars than on a demo. The same is true in gambling. Psychologically, I really don't want to do a demo, the brain understands that this does not bring any result. Only for familiarization with the interface. And if you can practice bot strategies on a demo account in forex, then this is not done on gambling.

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