Topic: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? - page 16. (Read 4836 times)

Quote from: Docnaster on June 11, 2023, 03:48:56 PM

Quote from: coinerer on June 14, 2023, 10:54:26 AM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Without staking your money or properties, it should not be called gambling. For it to be called gambling you should be ganing or losing something. Atleast this is my layman's understanding of gambling as it happens in my country and online across the globe.
There could be a different scenario if some will argue from the higher stand that someone is investing his time in that kind of DSTV super picks game.
Well, if there is something you ought to do with your time and then you left it to play the dstv game, will it be counted that you stakes your time?

Yes, a normal game can be considered gambling when there is money wagered on it. For example, LUDO is a family game but when one party plays against another party and bets are placed and money is exchanged, it is also considered as gambling. Thus betting on any game is called gambling. So it is accepted that it cannot be considered as gambling if there is no monetary wager

Yes I see many people are gambling through LUDO game. But I was addicted to LUDO game for some days. I bet with my friend through LUDO game. I could not win much in the game that's why I quit playing LUDO.Among the many things that can be bet on, one of the popular ones is the cricket game. I am more addicted to betting on the cricket game.I like to bet on cricket.

Casino sites still don't have the option of ludo game I think you bet on ludo game with someone physically. Any place you place a bet on is considered gambling. Gambling is now widespread among today's youth. And online casinos are very easy to access without any hassles and can be played at home without prying eyes, so it has become more attractive for the youth. But this is a very dangerous aspect for us which one does not easily consider until one gets into serious trouble

First, your comment made me remember ludo game and how much I loved to play it with my friends back then, this days, the boy is now a man and hardly have time to sit down and play such games with friends any more, it would be most interesting if casinos can implement ludo game into their system and allow gamblers to play the game live against the house or maybe against other users of the same casino.

Secondly , online gambling is not dangerous on its own, gamblers are the ones who allow themselves to be carried away through reckless gambling.
I can liken this to driving a car, driving on its own is not a bad thing and I believe you agree, but reckless drivers are the ones who get involved, as well as cause accidents on the roads.

I also remember that I used to play ludo with my friends with bets and whoever reaches the pinis of all their checkers wins. And the ludo game requires a strategy to reach the finish and choose the right pieces so you don't get hit by enemy pawns and return to the start, and ludo is really a very fun and adorable game.
and it seems very fun if online casinos use ludo to bet, and in my opinion ludo games will not make players addicted or become a serious problem because ludo games are strategy games and also fun games to fill spare time.

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Quote from: rojan on June 13, 2023, 10:19:31 AM

Quote from: Docnaster on June 11, 2023, 03:48:56 PM

Quote from: rojan on June 13, 2023, 10:19:31 AM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Without staking your money or properties, it should not be called gambling. For it to be called gambling you should be ganing or losing something. Atleast this is my layman's understanding of gambling as it happens in my country and online across the globe.
There could be a different scenario if some will argue from the higher stand that someone is investing his time in that kind of DSTV super picks game.
Well, if there is something you ought to do with your time and then you left it to play the dstv game, will it be counted that you stakes your time?

Yes, a normal game can be considered gambling when there is money wagered on it. For example, LUDO is a family game but when one party plays against another party and bets are placed and money is exchanged, it is also considered as gambling. Thus betting on any game is called gambling. So it is accepted that it cannot be considered as gambling if there is no monetary wager

Yes I see many people are gambling through LUDO game. But I was addicted to LUDO game for some days. I bet with my friend through LUDO game. I could not win much in the game that's why I quit playing LUDO.Among the many things that can be bet on, one of the popular ones is the cricket game. I am more addicted to betting on the cricket game.I like to bet on cricket.

Casino sites still don't have the option of ludo game I think you bet on ludo game with someone physically. Any place you place a bet on is considered gambling. Gambling is now widespread among today's youth. And online casinos are very easy to access without any hassles and can be played at home without prying eyes, so it has become more attractive for the youth. But this is a very dangerous aspect for us which one does not easily consider until one gets into serious trouble

First, your comment made me remember ludo game and how much I loved to play it with my friends back then, this days, the boy is now a man and hardly have time to sit down and play such games with friends any more, it would be most interesting if casinos can implement ludo game into their system and allow gamblers to play the game live against the house or maybe against other users of the same casino.

Secondly , online gambling is not dangerous on its own, gamblers are the ones who allow themselves to be carried away through reckless gambling.
I can liken this to driving a car, driving on its own is not a bad thing and I believe you agree, but reckless drivers are the ones who get involved, as well as cause accidents on the roads.

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 11, 2023, 03:48:56 PM

Quote from: lienfaye on June 14, 2023, 12:37:25 AM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Without staking your money or properties, it should not be called gambling. For it to be called gambling you should be ganing or losing something. Atleast this is my layman's understanding of gambling as it happens in my country and online across the globe.
There could be a different scenario if some will argue from the higher stand that someone is investing his time in that kind of DSTV super picks game.
Well, if there is something you ought to do with your time and then you left it to play the dstv game, will it be counted that you stakes your time?

Yes, a normal game can be considered gambling when there is money wagered on it. For example, LUDO is a family game but when one party plays against another party and bets are placed and money is exchanged, it is also considered as gambling. Thus betting on any game is called gambling. So it is accepted that it cannot be considered as gambling if there is no monetary wager

Yes I see many people are gambling through LUDO game. But I was addicted to LUDO game for some days. I bet with my friend through LUDO game. I could not win much in the game that's why I quit playing LUDO.Among the many things that can be bet on, one of the popular ones is the cricket game. I am more addicted to betting on the cricket game.I like to bet on cricket.

Casino sites still don't have the option of ludo game I think you bet on ludo game with someone physically. Any place you place a bet on is considered gambling. Gambling is now widespread among today's youth. And online casinos are very easy to access without any hassles and can be played at home without prying eyes, so it has become more attractive for the youth. But this is a very dangerous aspect for us which one does not easily consider until one gets into serious trouble

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Quote from: Mr.suevie on June 13, 2023, 04:19:07 PM

Quote from: delfastTions on June 14, 2023, 01:48:37 AM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Hmm but I beg the differ on this, because I have come to realize this afternoon when I was playing some card games with my wife that gamble can still be done without staking cash but a challenge would somehow replace it. Like the game we played, we had to bet that anyone who losses would have to cook evening food for the whole week for the other partner and we began the card games and luckily for I came out victorious and she had to succum to it but it was really not much of any difference since she is still the one taking care of that aspect Grin

Well for me it can't be considered as gambling because nothing is at stake if ever you lose, it's just a friendly bet, more on a challenge as you've said. I also tried this kind of challenge with my sister, instead of money we're betting on who's the one who will do the household chores through playing chess. Unfortunately I always lose because my sister is quite good in it, back on the days gadgets and having an internet are not yet popular. Anyway, it's been said many times here, when there's no money or valuable things are at stake, it's not gambling.

You have made good points my friend, especially with the concluding part. Money might not necessarily be involved, yet something valuable must be involved in place of it before it could be tagged "Gambling." That context called Gambling is so because you are taking a risk for something, it can never be free. So, I'm 100% sure that it's no gambling if there is no risk involved with either party for it, it's mere fun playing.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on June 14, 2023, 01:08:00 AM

Our money used in gambling also serves as an indication to how serious and determined we are in betting, what would have been used for gambling if betting is not involved, as then there's nothing to gamble about, we can also give some attempts in trying to play around on the casinos or engage on some sort of free gambling attempts through the bonuses we received but yet we still work to earn those opportunities to be given bonus because you can't just spend nothing and expect gambling to take place, it must cost you to show how determined and committed you're.

As for me, for me, playing without money just for fun is somehow not at all so interesting and not so reckless. Indeed, when you have something to lose, and this is money that you generally earn with difficulty, then of course it’s a pity to lose them. This definitely makes us much more pragmatic and responsible in gambling. And this automatically puts such a game itself, as it were, on a different level compared to a game that can be called a game of interest, that is, without losing your money. For me, only such gambling is real, and not some kind of artificial fake.
Moreover, all the games that can be called as games just for fun seem to me to be some kind of childish fun. Of course, they can be fun and interesting, but they still do not hurt our feelings and our passion for gambling.

You can't really call it gambling unless there's money or other assets involved. It's just mere playing and having fun if you were to play without involving anything to stake.if you have nothing to win and nothing to lose, then it's not gambling. Since gambling involves taking risks, winning, and/or losing.

To those gamblers who like to try the games by playing practice game of a casino game is a smart one for me and commendable because knowing the nature of the game, the possible risks, and how to strategize can give you a great edge in gambling. If that's what you are pertaining to, then it's not called gambling rather a practice game or merely passing time and relaxing without the need to think about connecting it with money matters. There are still people who do this out of curiousity, testing the waters, and entertainment.

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Quote from: Dunamisx on June 14, 2023, 01:08:00 AM

Our money used in gambling also serves as an indication to how serious and determined we are in betting, what would have been used for gambling if betting is not involved, as then there's nothing to gamble about, we can also give some attempts in trying to play around on the casinos or engage on some sort of free gambling attempts through the bonuses we received but yet we still work to earn those opportunities to be given bonus because you can't just spend nothing and expect gambling to take place, it must cost you to show how determined and committed you're.

As for me, for me, playing without money just for fun is somehow not at all so interesting and not so reckless. Indeed, when you have something to lose, and this is money that you generally earn with difficulty, then of course it’s a pity to lose them. This definitely makes us much more pragmatic and responsible in gambling. And this automatically puts such a game itself, as it were, on a different level compared to a game that can be called a game of interest, that is, without losing your money. For me, only such gambling is real, and not some kind of artificial fake.
Moreover, all the games that can be called as games just for fun seem to me to be some kind of childish fun. Of course, they can be fun and interesting, but they still do not hurt our feelings and our passion for gambling.

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Quote from: Wiwo on June 14, 2023, 01:01:44 AM

Quote from: lienfaye on June 14, 2023, 12:37:25 AM

Well for me it can't be considered as gambling because nothing is at stake if ever you lose, it's just a friendly bet, more on a challenge as you've said. I also tried this kind of challenge with my sister, instead of money we're betting on who's the one who will do the household chores through playing chess. Unfortunately I always lose because my sister is quite good in it, back on the days gadgets and having an internet are not yet popular. Anyway, it's been said many times here, when there's no money or valuable things are at stake, it's not gambling.

Yes because gambling has to do with bets and potential winning so anything outside that is no longer gambling, if you play simple and popular games with friends such as ludo, wots and draft games there all just traditional fun games and can not be categorized under gambling unless the players involved decide to stake money on the game that the only we can refer to it as gambling, so what makes gambling to be referred to as such is the staked amount that is out for the contest and possibly being won.

But for obvious reasons, some of the folks who are addicted to this kind on none betting game are higher than those who are actually addicted to real gambling where they have to stake an amount.

Our money used in gambling also serves as an indication to how serious and determined we are in betting, what would have been used for gambling if betting is not involved, as then there's nothing to gamble about, we can also give some attempts in trying to play around on the casinos or engage on some sort of free gambling attempts through the bonuses we received but yet we still work to earn those opportunities to be given bonus because you can't just spend nothing and expect gambling to take place, it must cost you to show how determined and committed you're.

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Quote from: lienfaye on June 14, 2023, 12:37:25 AM

Well for me it can't be considered as gambling because nothing is at stake if ever you lose, it's just a friendly bet, more on a challenge as you've said. I also tried this kind of challenge with my sister, instead of money we're betting on who's the one who will do the household chores through playing chess. Unfortunately I always lose because my sister is quite good in it, back on the days gadgets and having an internet are not yet popular. Anyway, it's been said many times here, when there's no money or valuable things are at stake, it's not gambling.

Yes because gambling has to do with bets and potential winning so anything outside that is no longer gambling, if you play simple and popular games with friends such as ludo, wots and draft games there all just traditional fun games and can not be categorized under gambling unless the players involved decide to stake money on the game that the only we can refer to it as gambling, so what makes gambling to be referred to as such is the staked amount that is out for the contest and possibly being won.

But for obvious reasons, some of the folks who are addicted to this kind on none betting game are higher than those who are actually addicted to real gambling where they have to stake an amount.

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Quote from: Mr.suevie on June 13, 2023, 04:19:07 PM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Hmm but I beg the differ on this, because I have come to realize this afternoon when I was playing some card games with my wife that gamble can still be done without staking cash but a challenge would somehow replace it. Like the game we played, we had to bet that anyone who losses would have to cook evening food for the whole week for the other partner and we began the card games and luckily for I came out victorious and she had to succum to it but it was really not much of any difference since she is still the one taking care of that aspect Grin

Well for me it can't be considered as gambling because nothing is at stake if ever you lose, it's just a friendly bet, more on a challenge as you've said. I also tried this kind of challenge with my sister, instead of money we're betting on who's the one who will do the household chores through playing chess. Unfortunately I always lose because my sister is quite good in it, back on the days gadgets and having an internet are not yet popular. Anyway, it's been said many times here, when there's no money or valuable things are at stake, it's not gambling.

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Quote from: Ebede on June 12, 2023, 05:07:20 PM

If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.

Sure mate, what make is a gamble is when there is a stake on the line, this is what most people done to understand and they think that just getting involved in games is all gambling and that is not true because there is nogamblingsf nothing to lose, quite alright we can spend our time in playing game like ludo cheese and I'm the rest but we can't gamble with time, we only gamble by staking money so without money there is indeed no gambling.

Hmm but I beg the differ on this, because I have come to realize this afternoon when I was playing some card games with my wife that gamble can still be done without staking cash but a challenge would somehow replace it. Like the game we played, we had to bet that anyone who losses would have to cook evening food for the whole week for the other partner and we began the card games and luckily for I came out victorious and she had to succum to it but it was really not much of any difference since she is still the one taking care of that aspect Grin

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Money must be involved in gambling be it directly or indirectly, it is important to note that you have to use your money to bet either you loss or you win that's what makes you a gambler, something must be at stake for it to be gambling if not is not gambling, you most have something that you may loss before you call it gambling.

Actually gambling doesn't have to be with real money either because there's a lot that can be at stake besides money, for example in the form of assets or favorite things and so on, that's why the OP said whether it can be called gambling if there is no real money or money, I say YES even using fake money it can be said to be gambling because putting something at stake does not have to be real money because I have gambled also with fake money.

Money has always been the main subject in the world of gambling and where all online casinos as well as land-based casinos and other gambling platforms use money and do not use anything else, because money is something of value to anyone for bookies and gamblers.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on June 13, 2023, 08:42:40 AM

A Gambler can be surfing through the online casino platform without betting and just be navigating through, same way it can be applied to the casino house whereby not everyone there are gambling, some were just spectators while others were being there just to get entertained, others are there busy gambling, yet those not gambling were still found spending money while catching fun but they can't be regarded for gambling since they aren't betting.

At some point when you mentioned online and spectators it becomes clear that you may have misunderstood the two terms to be able to cohabit and be used in a sentence or discussions, this is why we have to break down some few point to give better understanding of the terms, online casinos doesn't allow for spectators, the physical casino house may allow that but in online casinos, one need to be part of the game to get log in to the session and as long as you balance keep replenishing you will stay in the game but as soon as it get exusted you session get terminated.

This is one thing we must get clear to help us have a better discussions, but along the way you made a very good point on the involvement of money at some point because to enter the physical casino you will need to pay for tickets and that alone is spending as a spectator.

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 11, 2023, 03:48:56 PM