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I don't see arresting people who play in makeshift casinos or street games as a crime, the police should take care of the real ruffians, who are the ones who kill, commit crimes, that's what makes them policemen Don't arrest people who are looking for fun and who don't hurt anyone, those are the things that governments and control entities do that don't let others do what they want. In my country, at one time they did those procedures because Casinos were prohibited, and that is something I never agreed with, now casinos are legal as long as they give the government a good cut.
If the street casino is illegal, the police have to raid and arrest them unless the street casino already has a permit to open the street casino from the government. The police cannot arrest anyone who comes to a street casino unless they make noise or disturb the people who come to the casino. And as long as nothing interferes, the casino can operate properly and the police can also carry out their duties. But don't forget that everywhere there are corrupt cops who will ask the casino for security money.

It can be easily tracked by police now a days, as we know there are cameras everywhere and also CCTVs, so no matter how you run if you are in public, it can be easily tracked. Also,  with planting evidence, that is really what they are doing as long as they haven't found hard evidence. When some get caught, they will plant it so that for sure they go to jail. Even if it was seen by somebody, they will still deny it. Public places to gamble are not good. I think you can concentrate and enjoy the game in a private and quiet place.
Yes, if there is CCTV, the police will find out easily and immediately do something, so tracking it will be easy. But we still have to be careful in a public space like that because crime can happen anywhere and anytime.

And I agree that to enjoy gambling games, we need a separate place that is quiet and calm so we can concentrate on the game.
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Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.
Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.
The police can easily plant evidence on everyone they see playing gambling, especially if the goal of the police is to arrest everyone who gambles in that place. And while people may hide their money in their pockets or elsewhere, the police can find them. That's what makes me wonder Grin

I think they think that playing in public is still okay and safe from police raids but after information about this gambling activity disturbed the public, the police came and arrested the people. Maybe it's better that they have a place to gamble that people don't know about so they can feel safe.

It can be easily tracked by police now a days, as we know there are cameras everywhere and also CCTVs, so no matter how you run if you are in public, it can be easily tracked. Also,  with planting evidence, that is really what they are doing as long as they haven't found hard evidence. When some get caught, they will plant it so that for sure they go to jail. Even if it was seen by somebody, they will still deny it. Public places to gamble are not good. I think you can concentrate and enjoy the game in a private and quiet place.
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If there's nothing on the line then it's not gambling.
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Haven't heard about the superpicks project. I have a project in my signature that does not require investment of money. You can play and get crypto, you can also invest money and mine without playing.
When I have nothing to do, I play and get some crypto. As a rule, such projects pay very little without investments, this is normal.
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If I understand what you are saying and you are right, I know that patience can help us a lot, but when we are playing it is obvious that we always want to win, and that desire leads us to a point where we forget patience and the adrenaline starts to exert more force on us, we can get desperate, stressed and forget about what we are willing to spend, that is why the word "self-control" comes out a lot but it is very difficult to control it, the truth is that when patience is combined with "self-control" it is the winning combination for everything, but for us as good humans emotions sometimes play us Wrong and we forget.

So gamblers are so desperate to earn money and they do not have patience. So how would they agree on playing games where there is no money to be earned. This is why it is very much clear that the main purpose of gambling is to earn money and for that you need to spend your money. If we ask gamblers to play games without any incentive of earning, they will simply refuse.
Also, this clears that most people (more than 90% do not gamble for fun, but only gamble for money, Right?

I don't see arresting people who play in makeshift casinos or street games as a crime, the police should take care of the real ruffians, who are the ones who kill, commit crimes, that's what makes them policemen Don't arrest people who are looking for fun and who don't hurt anyone, those are the things that governments and control entities do that don't let others do what they want. In my country, at one time they did those procedures because Casinos were prohibited, and that is something I never agreed with, now casinos are legal as long as they give the government a good cut.

Here again, the police is looking for an easy target, and for them, the gamblers are the easiest target as they do not possess any weapons and they are not trained criminals. If the police go after the real criminals, they will have to make an effort and in some cases, their life may also be in danger when they encounter with the criminals. Sadly police will come after those who are gambling on street games or places where gambling is prohibited.
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same as my view because i cant expect myself using all the time i am supposed to gamble for real money in playing in some online free games, it's not possible and if I have much time I will rather spend it gambling for real money because even while we playing for fun, we still have to add money to it to make it more motivating on the long run.

Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.

Patience is an art, we cannot have anything without patience, we as players and as people who are risking money all the time, we might think that things have to go another way, you have to be patient in everything, this is for achieve what we set out to do, here things can be seen from many points of view, the one that has the most for us is that we don't care about money, we just want to play at any cost, the bad thing is when you lose, because when That happens, we reflect and have a greater vision of things and of our game,but we must not reach that point, we must be more Intelligent to realize when we Should have some strategy to enter and test the Games well.


    -   In the first place, I want you to know that I want to criticize what you are saying here. You mentioned that patience is like an Art.
I agree with what you said and I have no argument with you on this matter either. Now, for my opinion, a person's patience has no relation to playing gambling. Because being patient belongs to the so-called virtues and gambling is not included in the word "Virtues".

But I still agree with what you said that if we gamble it should only be done as a hobby or just for fun, it shouldn't cause us stress or problems in the end just because we lost playing gambling. Gambling skills are also not necessary if you are the type of gambler who relies on luck.
If I understand what you are saying and you are right, I know that patience can help us a lot, but when we are playing it is obvious that we always want to win, and that desire leads us to a point where we forget patience and the adrenaline starts to exert more force on us, we can get desperate, stressed and forget about what we are willing to spend, that is why the word "self-control" comes out a lot but it is very difficult to control it, the truth is that when patience is combined with "self-control" it is the winning combination for everything, but for us as good humans emotions sometimes play us Wrong and we forget.

Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.
Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.
The police can easily plant evidence on everyone they see playing gambling, especially if the goal of the police is to arrest everyone who gambles in that place. And while people may hide their money in their pockets or elsewhere, the police can find them. That's what makes me wonder Grin

I think they think that playing in public is still okay and safe from police raids but after information about this gambling activity disturbed the public, the police came and arrested the people. Maybe it's better that they have a place to gamble that people don't know about so they can feel safe.

I don't see arresting people who play in makeshift casinos or street games as a crime, the police should take care of the real ruffians, who are the ones who kill, commit crimes, that's what makes them policemen Don't arrest people who are looking for fun and who don't hurt anyone, those are the things that governments and control entities do that don't let others do what they want. In my country, at one time they did those procedures because Casinos were prohibited, and that is something I never agreed with, now casinos are legal as long as they give the government a good cut.
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Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.
Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.
The police can easily plant evidence on everyone they see playing gambling, especially if the goal of the police is to arrest everyone who gambles in that place. And while people may hide their money in their pockets or elsewhere, the police can find them. That's what makes me wonder Grin

I think they think that playing in public is still okay and safe from police raids but after information about this gambling activity disturbed the public, the police came and arrested the people. Maybe it's better that they have a place to gamble that people don't know about so they can feel safe.
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Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.
Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.
Indeed, the line between innocent fun and illegal gambling can be murky. It seems your country's authorities are treading on thin ice, criminalizing innocent card games based on an association with gambling. That's akin to banning a rose because it shares its thorns with a cactus.

Your concern about public versus private gaming brings a fascinating question to the table - should freedom of assembly succumb to the specter of gambling? One can't help but find this a slightly Orwellian overreach.

Lastly, the notion of law enforcement planting evidence is a serious allegation and hints at a systemic problem. It's the perfect recipe for a Kafkaesque nightmare. If this is indeed the norm, then the conversation needs to shift from cards and games to the principles of justice and rule of law.
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~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.
The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern how gambling works.

Even if we are playing and having fun we can still bet and gambles as long as such leads to argument we need to prove how right we are, we can stake any amount of money right among ourselves, gambles and have more fun amidst our owers, everyone have the full right to try his luck, sometimes when we are too sure about something, we turn it to gambling because we want to show or prove it to everyone that we are true about it, to me i may say gambling is another way of showing how confident and desperate we are about a particular game, sport or event.


Why do we gamble? To have fun and to gain some money too. Yes, if you only need fun, there are many games like arcade games, puzzles or action games that may give you even more fun with attractive graphics but when you are gambling, your main focus is to earn some money too.

So if you ask gamblers to gamble with fake money or no money at all, I don't think they will show any interest. Suppose you are betting on a match and in the end you know that the winner will get no reward, would you bet or even think of doing all this hassle?

So for gamblers without money, there is no gambling.

   -   Maybe what OP is referring to is that it's just like a demo account that has a free bet to give and then it looks like you're betting real money but it's not really. Or it is also possible to bet using iPhone Pro Max as payment, just as an example, he did not take out any money here.

Then I remembered the original gambling, at that time it was not money that was used, but things that could be used for profit. And there was no money in those days as far as I know.
There is absolutely no way to earn real money by gambling on a demo account. this is for training only.  but nowadays people who are interested in gambling are so panicked that they don't feel any need to use demo account and they jump to gambling with real money. And on the other hand, gambling platforms often refrain from having demo account options. Because it is not used by many people now, on the other hand it creates a stress on the platform's servers due to which the site may slow down.  However, forex trading platforms have demo account options.
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~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.
The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern of how gambling works.
Let's say no pain no gain because money is the pain and the risk you take to be able to win something and even though you play on a demo account you won't have any winning and at that, it will amount to nothing because you did not stake any real amount, so it becomes boring to keep playing,  but on the other hand staking with real money bring in the excitement to keep playing since the winning will become the motivation to keep the game on.
A trader can learn good trading by using demo account. But never get a taste of gambling using this demo account. Gambling doesn't take long to learn. Neither the cost of losing nor the joy of winning is reflected when a gambler conducts betting on a demo account. Unless the gambler panics between winning and losing, it cannot be considered gambling. Because according to the basic rules of gambling there must be an element of loss and gain through money or anything else.
Demo account basically gives gambling experience but full fake money is used here.  And various gambling platforms provide the facility of demo account so that users can increase their gambling experience by gambling with fake money in this demo account and later gamble with real money carefully.  It will reduce the possibility of his financial loss. there are many people who don't understand gambling very well but get interested in gambling after hearing others' profit stories and watching others gambling, in this case demo account can help them a lot to understand gambling and get some practical ideas.

Talking about the demo account, those are things already out of discussion becau they aren't gambling but a child's play wheb ome is preparing his way down to gambling in full, these are much of a training ground and serve as a preparatory stage one meeds to learn how to run a gambling platform, make bets, withdraw and deposit money, create an account,ake some wagers and set the pace on ground, there could be many forms of attempts to arguments, quarrelling and discussions about sports which all ended in just words of mouth except money is used to stand in for those involved, one may not regards it as gambling or take it more serious as expected than when money is involved.
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~ There's what people called free giveaways, where you're permitted to join a quest for receiving anything for free if you're lucky or being eligible, gambling is all about playing games, both live or virtual games and sports, you bet by using your money to stand in for you that if your prediction is accurate, you stand a chance to make a winning, i don't count anything that does not do with money a gambling because you're not staking anything for such.

And you are right, imo, because gambling, by definition, is about staking something valuable. Yes, some activities, when nothing valuable is at stake, still called "gambling" sometimes, but those cases are the topic of discussion rather on linguistic forums than here in Gambling section.
The reason why many people choose to gambler is to make more valuable profits from what they do. You put your money so that you can make more money which is simple. If you don't bet we'll or have to amounts of luck for you to make a winning, then you are going to lose money totally without getting it back. You win other lose, if other win, you lose. Simple pattern how gambling works.

Even if we are playing and having fun we can still bet and gambles as long as such leads to argument we need to prove how right we are, we can stake any amount of money right among ourselves, gambles and have more fun amidst our owers, everyone have the full right to try his luck, sometimes when we are too sure about something, we turn it to gambling because we want to show or prove it to everyone that we are true about it, to me i may say gambling is another way of showing how confident and desperate we are about a particular game, sport or event.


Why do we gamble? To have fun and to gain some money too. Yes, if you only need fun, there are many games like arcade games, puzzles or action games that may give you even more fun with attractive graphics but when you are gambling, your main focus is to earn some money too.

So if you ask gamblers to gamble with fake money or no money at all, I don't think they will show any interest. Suppose you are betting on a match and in the end you know that the winner will get no reward, would you bet or even think of doing all this hassle?

So for gamblers without money, there is no gambling.

   -   Maybe what OP is referring to is that it's just like a demo account that has a free bet to give and then it looks like you're betting real money but it's not really. Or it is also possible to bet using iPhone Pro Max as payment, just as an example, he did not take out any money here.

Then I remembered the original gambling, at that time it was not money that was used, but things that could be used for profit. And there was no money in those days as far as I know.
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Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.
Many a times I've seen this too, Infact, on a particular occasion, I was almost arrested along side my friend while playing a card game in front of my business place, personally, I understand that the police are usually after the area Boys who play this games while in possession of some hard drugs, but I still chose to say that such type of arrest is completely illegal and should not be accepted..

Anyways, let me not derail or deviate from what is being discussed here, your point is clear and I completely agree, any game where a person would have to contend with another person for a win is simply gambling, whether money is at stake or not.
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My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
According to Cambridge Dictionary, gambling is "The activity of betting money", so the conclusion is, as long as You don't need to spend some money or even a penny it can't be called as "Gambling".

Refference : https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gambling
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Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.
Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.

Games that being use to gamble should be play privately or else this kind of incident will happened. This scenario is happening on my country. Police sometimes planting evidence to all the people that they saw playing publicly because they knew that this people really gambling but just hiding money away from the table.

I’m confused these people still wants to gamble publicly while they can always play on their houses privately. Local gambling is very popular in my counter which is why police is very strict on catching them even with just a slightly hint of gambling.
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well, in my opinion.. in gambling we must be prepared to risk money, because in gambling we must be prepared to accept all the risks... whether you lose or win.,, take advantage of taking advantage of free time to gamble I don't think there is a problem.
That's just it's important that you can usually gamble only when the player has free time for this.  By the way, not all people have the opportunity to sit down at a computer and sit and play quietly for a couple of hours or even more. 

And if we talk about the fact that the game goes on as if without money, but simply for the sake of interest and excitement, then this, in my opinion, somehow reduces the very status and value of gambling a little.  Because gambling is just and is of value when a player actually loses something valuable when he loses or, on the contrary, gains something valuable if he wins.
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well, in my opinion.. in gambling we must be prepared to risk money, because in gambling we must be prepared to accept all the risks... whether you lose or win.,, take advantage of taking advantage of free time to gamble I don't think there is a problem.
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Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.
Maybe it was because they used cards that were synonymous with gambling that the police thought they were gambling. The authorities could catch people playing cards with their friends even if they didn't use money. So if we want to play sports or anything else, we have to be careful not to use any money so the police won't take it as a bet. But I don't know. The response of each person or the police must also be different and some will think of it as gambling.
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Betting doesn't always have to do with money, I was playing Fortnite with a friend online a week ago and she challenged me to a match one on one, and she said let's make a bet, whoever wins will pay for a drink when we meet the next Saturday, and I lost the match to her, now I owe her a drink out.

This could have happened with the money, I choose to proceed with the game even when I am not so sure that I will win, it's a pure gamble, this is not hard to understand as I keep seeing people posting something related to what everyone has already said, this thread needs a lock.
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Sometimes I used to see the police around my region arresting people publicly playing shot card games and the label it as gambling even though those playing this game don't stake money but the law enforcement agency still categorized it as gambling, so I believe whether or not you stake an amount or just playing for the fun, it all gambling as long as there is a game to contend for the winning unless it sports games if not it all gambling.
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Well, I can play other games too for finding leisure, but it is the money that makes me gamble. The fun which you get along with monetary gains are non comparable to any game which involves fun but no money. Gambling in its current form is the best  Smiley

Getting a number of advantages in gambling is a joy and satisfaction in itself so that you cannot get it anywhere else if you can feel all the satisfaction from gambling.
Even though you can gamble using a demo account and you don't need to deposit a certain amount of money, if you are used to it and are happy with using the money you deposited then a demo account will only give you a feeling of boredom.
It's the same with me, who always dares to take risks by depositing a certain amount of money to gamble because I have the goal of having fun and getting satisfaction when I win.
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