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Quote from: Wiwo on May 11, 2023, 02:38:16 PM

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When there is no money involved , I think the only people who can have fun are those who have always played the play station, because when you played there you couldn't win, now on PS5 yes, there are many ways to monetize, that's good, and I I respect every point of view and what they think in each part of the world, but I am happy and it motivates me more when I bet with money involved because that risk that there is makes you have emotions, but the Important thing is to know how to play very well and to know each something that you have because if you start playing with money and without knowing it you will lose and it is not the idea either, the idea is that you can try to win.

We still have some people who play only the demo games that do not require them to make any deposits and that can be classified under this topic of discussion since the stake doesn't involve balance deduction even though those games are played in a casino.

But then to some other players, the potential winning rewards are their motivation, so playing those games that don't involve real stake and win seems to be a waste of time to them.

Yes, it really is a waste of time, but on many occasions I have played for real money at once and it has not gone well for me and what I have done is lose money, it happens to me a lot when they are games that I have not played. never played, I don't know, but one day happened to me with KENO, it's a game that if you don't know it and you start playing just for the sake of playing , you lose money , and I thought I wasn't going to lose anything, but things got out of hand and I started to losing and losing, until I said no more, and I stopped, that money that I lost in that game because I didn't understand how it is, I didn't get it back , I started playing the games that I did know.

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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

What do you consider the risk to be about if there is no money at stake? Every single game is a win-or-lose type of game, but not every game in the world is a gambling game or should be considered one unless there is something staked on it and I don't see OP mentioning anywhere that there is some requirement for it.

If there is nothing of value at stake, it cannot be considered gambling at all, and risk is only when you have something at stake which you can potentially lose if you don't make a correct prediction.

Well, there what he was able to understand is that there are times when it is scary to place bets with money, but that is normal only at the Beginning, then later that fear is lost,the Important thing is that if you place sports bets you have to be clear that here the greatest Responsibility is on the part of the bettor, because there are only two possibilities in general, and here things must be fully Fulfilled, if you know enough about a sport and if it is considered a fan help,but if it is not, and it is left Carrying by the emcoines or by what the rest says is like doing complemtante gambling.

well, that's because it is on the safer side of gambling without losing anything, but i prefer to call that as just a game for free since you didn't have to risk that much so winning or losing doesn't matter too much and on the brighter side, if ever you won then you will still earn. it's not that we have different perspective on different aspects of this world, but for me every decision you've made are always carrying risk, even if we say that you are playing it safe at the end of the spectrum. i understand that the consequences of losing this time isn't that much heavy compared to when you are actually putting in some amount but a risk is still a risk that's why i just prefer to call it a game than gamble.

We must return this to the notion of gambling which involves betting in a game. So in general if a game is without betting then it cannot be said to be gambling in my opinion, because it goes back to the basic understanding of gambling itself. And I agree that gambling carries risks, and if there is nothing at stake then what risks will we get, because we don't bet anything and will not lose anything from that game.
However, if it is based on personal opinion, of course there will always be different opinions from one to another.

Gambling on the sense it would be called on how its been done since this one involves betting or choosing on a particular team/player, the thing that differs on this one is that it is completely risks free because

you arent betting something like money or really doesnt have the risks which we do particularly know that this isnt how gambling works. The action been made is pertaining about gambling/betting but since
its completely free and there's no money or fiat involved or risks which you are really that completely free from risks then its not gambling at all.

Just like on what been said that it is unlikely or not really that common to see to have this kind of offering on where letting everyone do make out bets and have the chance on winning something.
For sure there's always a catch in the end of the line because there would be no business would be launching up such promotion if they wont really be getting something in return.

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Quote from: danadc on May 11, 2023, 10:16:34 AM

When there is no money involved , I think the only people who can have fun are those who have always played the play station, because when you played there you couldn't win, now on PS5 yes, there are many ways to monetize, that's good, and I I respect every point of view and what they think in each part of the world, but I am happy and it motivates me more when I bet with money involved because that risk that there is makes you have emotions, but the Important thing is to know how to play very well and to know each something that you have because if you start playing with money and without knowing it you will lose and it is not the idea either, the idea is that you can try to win.

We still have some people who play only the demo games that do not require them to make any deposits and that can be classified under this topic of discussion since the stake doesn't involve balance deduction even though those games are played in a casino.

But then to some other players, the potential winning rewards are their motivation, so playing those games that don't involve real stake and win seems to be a waste of time to them.

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Quote from: GideonGono on April 26, 2023, 05:07:11 PM

As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

What do you consider the risk to be about if there is no money at stake? Every single game is a win-or-lose type of game, but not every game in the world is a gambling game or should be considered one unless there is something staked on it and I don't see OP mentioning anywhere that there is some requirement for it.

If there is nothing of value at stake, it cannot be considered gambling at all, and risk is only when you have something at stake which you can potentially lose if you don't make a correct prediction.

Well, there what he was able to understand is that there are times when it is scary to place bets with money, but that is normal only at the Beginning, then later that fear is lost,the Important thing is that if you place sports bets you have to be clear that here the greatest Responsibility is on the part of the bettor, because there are only two possibilities in general, and here things must be fully Fulfilled, if you know enough about a sport and if it is considered a fan help,but if it is not, and it is left Carrying by the emcoines or by what the rest says is like doing complemtante gambling.

well, that's because it is on the safer side of gambling without losing anything, but i prefer to call that as just a game for free since you didn't have to risk that much so winning or losing doesn't matter too much and on the brighter side, if ever you won then you will still earn. it's not that we have different perspective on different aspects of this world, but for me every decision you've made are always carrying risk, even if we say that you are playing it safe at the end of the spectrum. i understand that the consequences of losing this time isn't that much heavy compared to when you are actually putting in some amount but a risk is still a risk that's why i just prefer to call it a game than gamble.

We must return this to the notion of gambling which involves betting in a game. So in general if a game is without betting then it cannot be said to be gambling in my opinion, because it goes back to the basic understanding of gambling itself. And I agree that gambling carries risks, and if there is nothing at stake then what risks will we get, because we don't bet anything and will not lose anything from that game.
However, if it is based on personal opinion, of course there will always be different opinions from one to another.

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Quote from: Wiwo on May 10, 2023, 06:47:44 PM

What is the fun in gambling when rewards and money are not involved, and what makes gambling to be gambling is the stake ability and expected outcome and reception of those winning.

So I can't play at any casino if it doesn't allow me to stake on the others since we know the destinations those games are communing

When there is no money involved , I think the only people who can have fun are those who have always played the play station, because when you played there you couldn't win, now on PS5 yes , there are many ways to monetize, that's good, and I I respect every point of view and what they think in each part of the world, but I am happy and it motivates me more when I bet with money involved because that risk that there is makes you have emotions, but the Important thing is to know how to play very well and to know each something that you have because if you start playing with money and without knowing it you will lose and it is not the idea either , the idea is that you can try to win.

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What is the fun in gambling when rewards and money are not involved, and what makes gambling to be gambling is the stake ability and expected outcome and reception of those winning.

So I can't play at any casino if it doesn't allow me to stake on the others since we know the destinations those games are communing

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 07, 2023, 06:40:42 PM

No. It's called a game. You play, you win or you lose but you didn't really lose anything physically. When I was a kid my cousins use to play cards and whoever loses will fix the cards, shuffle them, and distribute them again. If you are lazy, you won't like doing it.
Did we gamble? No. We just played a game of cards and we didn't actually lose or gain anything. That is why our relatives older than us are just letting us do it because there's no money involved.
Sometimes we forget that the games used in gambling are actually just simple games before without money on the line. Now, when we see them we say it's gambling.

A game only becomes gambling if it is accompanied by a bet, it can be money, things, gold or something else. But like you said the games used for gambling are not considered gambling if there is no reward when a player wins.

In fact, any game can be a gamble depending on what the players want what they bet on, just like playing basketball, our only bet is that the losing team will give soft drinks to the winners, there is no money involved but conditions just.

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Quote from: GideonGono on April 26, 2023, 05:07:11 PM

As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

What do you consider the risk to be about if there is no money at stake? Every single game is a win-or-lose type of game, but not every game in the world is a gambling game or should be considered one unless there is something staked on it and I don't see OP mentioning anywhere that there is some requirement for it.

If there is nothing of value at stake, it cannot be considered gambling at all, and risk is only when you have something at stake which you can potentially lose if you don't make a correct prediction.

Well, there what he was able to understand is that there are times when it is scary to place bets with money, but that is normal only at the Beginning, then later that fear is lost,the Important thing is that if you place sports bets you have to be clear that here the greatest Responsibility is on the part of the bettor, because there are only two possibilities in general, and here things must be fully Fulfilled, if you know enough about a sport and if it is considered a fan help,but if it is not, and it is left Carrying by the emcoines or by what the rest says is like doing complemtante gambling.

well, that's because it is on the safer side of gambling without losing anything, but i prefer to call that as just a game for free since you didn't have to risk that much so winning or losing doesn't matter too much and on the brighter side, if ever you won then you will still earn. it's not that we have different perspective on different aspects of this world, but for me every decision you've made are always carrying risk, even if we say that you are playing it safe at the end of the spectrum. i understand that the consequences of losing this time isn't that much heavy compared to when you are actually putting in some amount but a risk is still a risk that's why i just prefer to call it a game than gamble.

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I'd say that this still qualifies as gambling. You may not be staking money in the process but you're still playing with your chances anyway. That is considered gambling even if nothing is at stake. You still poured your time and effort researching who's going to be the top scorers and all those stats. There is also the possibility of a win, so if that's not gambling to you then I don't know what it.

Free bets are also considered gambling. You didn't stake anything in this instance, so what differentiates it from free bets?

As long as you take some chances or risk, even if there’s no real money involved, I think that still falls for gambling. Gambling anyway is dealing on what is uncertain having yourself tied on it without gaining an assurance if you will succeed or not. Just like free bets from gambling casinos, there is no stake involved, but it’s a matter of marketing strategy so that once you win, you will be attached to it and you start betting with real money involved.

What's the risk if there is no stake? And how does it fall under gambling if there is no risk of losing anything? Gambling is basically when you put something up at stake in order to get something extra with it if you manage to win but you also bear the risk of losing what you've put at stake from your own side if there is no stake from your end, you are not gambling, you are just trying to win something which isn't gambling.

Playing a game where there is a prize for the winner isn't considered gambling, then how come playing a fantasy league where the winner gets a prize based on their performance and rank falls under gambling? That doesn't make any sense.

For everything in life you have to take risks, there should be nothing like no other, a player can always play in demo mode and they will have experience, they will know how to use the casino well, but the important thing is to play to win, we all enter a casino is to seek to win, yes, I know that there is fun and everything you want, all that they say to guarantee the best time for a person, raise the adrenaline and have everything available to enjoy, but let's be clear about things What you want is to win, and when you don't win, there is nothing left but to accept things, but you always want to win.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 07, 2023, 06:40:42 PM

No. It's called a game. You play, you win or you lose but you didn't really lose anything physically. When I was a kid my cousins use to play cards and whoever loses will fix the cards, shuffle them, and distribute them again. If you are lazy, you won't like doing it.
Did we gamble? No. We just played a game of cards and we didn't actually lose or gain anything. That is why our relatives older than us are just letting us do it because there's no money involved.
Sometimes we forget that the games used in gambling are actually just simple games before without money on the line. Now, when we see them we say it's gambling.

Exactly! You can play in predictions, you can give some advices. But it still a game until you`re ready to risk some money to prove your words. It is possible that free predictions may be better than someone`s who bet his money for it. But i`ll believe the man, who risks with me, he has more reasons to be more accurate in his predictions.

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Quote from: GideonGono on April 26, 2023, 05:07:11 PM

As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

What do you consider the risk to be about if there is no money at stake? Every single game is a win-or-lose type of game, but not every game in the world is a gambling game or should be considered one unless there is something staked on it and I don't see OP mentioning anywhere that there is some requirement for it.

If there is nothing of value at stake, it cannot be considered gambling at all, and risk is only when you have something at stake which you can potentially lose if you don't make a correct prediction.

Well, there what he was able to understand is that there are times when it is scary to place bets with money, but that is normal only at the Beginning, then later that fear is lost,the Important thing is that if you place sports bets you have to be clear that here the greatest Responsibility is on the part of the bettor, because there are only two possibilities in general, and here things must be fully Fulfilled, if you know enough about a sport and if it is considered a fan help,but if it is not, and it is left Carrying by the emcoines or by what the rest says is like doing complemtante gambling.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 03, 2023, 04:35:42 PM

Quote from: dothebeats on May 01, 2023, 06:22:13 PM

I'd say that this still qualifies as gambling. You may not be staking money in the process but you're still playing with your chances anyway. That is considered gambling even if nothing is at stake. You still poured your time and effort researching who's going to be the top scorers and all those stats. There is also the possibility of a win, so if that's not gambling to you then I don't know what it.

Free bets are also considered gambling. You didn't stake anything in this instance, so what differentiates it from free bets?

As long as you take some chances or risk, even if there’s no real money involved, I think that still falls for gambling. Gambling anyway is dealing on what is uncertain having yourself tied on it without gaining an assurance if you will succeed or not. Just like free bets from gambling casinos, there is no stake involved, but it’s a matter of marketing strategy so that once you win, you will be attached to it and you start betting with real money involved.

What's the risk if there is no stake? And how does it fall under gambling if there is no risk of losing anything? Gambling is basically when you put something up at stake in order to get something extra with it if you manage to win but you also bear the risk of losing what you've put at stake from your own side if there is no stake from your end, you are not gambling, you are just trying to win something which isn't gambling.

Playing a game where there is a prize for the winner isn't considered gambling, then how come playing a fantasy league where the winner gets a prize based on their performance and rank falls under gambling? That doesn't make any sense.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 08, 2023, 05:33:37 PM

I don't see money as an important tools for us to make bet since the there are many things we can even bet with without using money. We can bet with our properties and if we become fortunate to win then we are going to take the opponent's belongings because we bet on them. Money is not a prerequisite for us to make bet.

yes, you are right that not all gambling and betting using money can use assets or personal property, wherever all gambling can be done by minors or adults or the elderly, all of them can gamble without using money, even my friends have bets on vehicles his motorcycle while betting on sports betting world cup final yesterday.

Finally my friend lost a bet because France was defeated by Argentina, that's why until now my friend hates Argentina so much because of that defeat he had to lose his favorite motorbike, even though gambling like that is actually too risky, I prefer to bet with small money than gambling without money, because playing or gambling without money is just a waste of time. Grin

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Quote from: STT on May 08, 2023, 03:30:35 PM

The idea originally way back in 2014 or similar times was BTC is not money so hey its not really gambling exactly only the national currency can surely be declared as proper currency so whats your problem. Now somehow this virtual thingy nobody knew what it was is a thing governments want to regulate and ultimately tax etc. so apparently the answer is anything at all counts as money, furry toys can be tradable commodities I guess so you can gamble those too and anything at all.
Everything is currency possibly and so anything can be a gamble is somehow true. I always say to gamble is a human nature everyday thing, risk cannot be eliminated we all gamble in many things we do as nothing in life is for certain.

I don't see how that is relevant, Bitcoin has always had a value since it was launched, so even if it was recognized, popular, and as valuable as today or not, it was still something valuable, and if you are putting something up at stake that has a value, no matter how big or small, you are basically gambling because you can lose that thing.

But, when it comes to playing a game, even if it involves predictions or anything, you are not putting anything up at stake that you may lose but you can win something if you win, how is that gambling? It is not.

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Quote from: Desmong on May 08, 2023, 05:33:37 PM

I don't see money as an important tools for us to make bet since the there are many things we can even bet with without using money. We can bet with our properties and if we become fortunate to win then we are going to take the opponent's belongings because we bet on them. Money is not a prerequisite for us to make bet.

is not good for someone to use the property for gambling using your property for gambling you will lose whatever things that you have achieved in life because there is every possibility that you might lose the first birth and you will try to make use of second property to bed and when you continue to make use of them you might lose all within small interval of time so it is back alright that will use money or will use bitcoin or will use any option for gambling

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I don't see money as an important tools for us to make bet since the there are many things we can even bet with without using money. We can bet with our properties and if we become fortunate to win then we are going to take the opponent's belongings because we bet on them. Money is not a prerequisite for us to make bet.

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The idea originally way back in 2014 or similar times was BTC is not money so hey its not really gambling exactly only the national currency can surely be declared as proper currency so whats your problem. Now somehow this virtual thingy nobody knew what it was is a thing governments want to regulate and ultimately tax etc. so apparently the answer is anything at all counts as money, furry toys can be tradable commodities I guess so you can gamble those too and anything at all.
Everything is currency possibly and so anything can be a gamble is somehow true. I always say to gamble is a human nature everyday thing, risk cannot be eliminated we all gamble in many things we do as nothing in life is for certain.

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They did not expect that from a game that doesn't get any rewards but turns into a game that finally gets rewards. This will make people addicted and eventually, they will realize that it is a simple game that makes them addicted to gambling.

There are some games that are not in the gambling category, but they are addicted to playing until they bet something for adrenaline games so that one player must win the game to get a reward, any type of bet is not just money then everything is included in gambling. Even here there is a thread discussing ludo games to add to gambling, even though the majority are not interested in the game for gambling but there are types of gamblers who bet on physical ludo games because there is a different impression when they play ludo for gambling.

Sports games were never meant to become games that will be used for gambling, they were created and played for physical activities and enjoyment for those playing and those watching as well, but nowadays, sports betting has become so famous that almost every kind of sports game is available for the public to bet on.

So in the world where we live today, every single game can become a gambling game if there are two people willing to have a bet whether it's between two friends, the game becomes a gambling game for them since they've bet something with each other on the winner.

People want to give more excitement with their entertainment that's the reason why they make gambling with this even just a small form of casual conversation the person's ego wants to win the game to get his pride on it, people take this seriously and people just take it for fun it depends how does it takes in a situation this form of gambling always happen in sports event like there's different biases of players and teams this could be a support to the team you like and at the same time make a gambling to your friends or other people and taking risk if there's money or asset involve.

People have many controversies with the ways of playing,of course,the ego is something that will always be very influential in some, the normal thing is that they always bet with real money, they want to demonstrate their supremacy, but things have to go beyond what is normal, almost Nobody likes to play with money that is not real,because they Win and they trust and when they trust in a casino Game it is the worst thing that can happen, because the Person makes very high bets and it happens that when they do those high bets lose and when they make low bets they win, that is the Possible Stress it can give.

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Quote from: Odusko on May 05, 2023, 01:10:45 PM

Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.

Absolutely correct mate, you know when you are getting into a system newly, you would need to get familiarized with the system on how it works though and I think that is the best thing to do at the moment one decides to get involved in anything of that nature. As you have said, gamers will do that because it is quite a different thing from playing games. This is reality and would require all forms of skills and techniques quite different from playing of games. You know as well it requires commitment and funds compared to playing of games.
So therefore, it would not be a bad idea familiarizing with the casino demo system to getting more knowledge about how the system works before jumping in to it to commiting your funds for gambling.

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