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legendary
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In my opinion without your own responsibility you can`t learn to predict. You can train, but the price of such predictions is zero. I think that until you don`t ready to risk your money - you can`t advice someone to risk.
Yes, i lost my money with free spins, and i`m sure that it is the main purpose of such bonuses - make the gambler spend his own money to get the profit from the free spins.

There is no better teacher than self experience. You can not teach someone without you knowing that thing through experience. If you must predict, you must have experience in predicting game or otherwise, so as to be able to predict for others. So therefore, you must have spent your resources to learning how to predict which means it is not free.

Perhaps it is more accurate to say that experience is the best teacher. IMO, someone, can gain knowledge from other people's experiences. yes, in this context, gambling.
speaking of predictions, in fact we can learn from people who have more experience and have extensive knowledge. for example, football observers, we can listen to what they have to say, whether it's related to techniques, formations, players, patterns, systems, anything related to knowledge that can add to our references. one more thing, understand the gambling we like, and gamble with something we know. that's important, and what to watch out for before gambling.

To analyze, predict, not only requires experience, but involves all aspects. That's why it's important for someone to recognize the type of gambling that we like. if not, it's just as useless. the point is, we know what we are doing. because, in combat especially sports, prediction is an art that few people are aware of. to achieve that, we need knowledge, understanding, experience and also insight. then, we combine through analysis and reach a conclusion which we call prediction.
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My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
I think everything that comes from betting is gambling. with money or free when applying or placing a bet it's the same. you place hope on your luck.
even sweepstakes conducted by large companies for their customers can also be seen as gambling. like two people watching a football match on television. they bet on the team to score the first goal, or the team to commit the first offense. and whoever loses will be hit on the head. it's a gamble even if not with money.
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Gambling is something that has to do with staking money for a chance to participate in a gambling game but in the situation addressed by the OP, we can consider it to be gambling because it's a promotion provided by super sport and gambling website in order to have more customers on their platform. It's just like giving back to the community.
The occasion is indeed gambling , but the bettor ? can we consider them as Gambler in that way when they did not even put a single cent to gamble?
this is  a never ending debate I believe unless will be answered directly by those who are involved and admit if they are gambler or not.
this can be handled by not gambler that only wants to try their luck as it is a freebet.

I never participated in an event and this is the first I will hear about. I did some few research about the event yesterday it is totally free as stated by the OP but the longevity of it is something I don't know but the event seems to be hosted weekly and the lucky winner will be awarded the prize for that week.
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You can gamble with or without money, and it's still a gambling, people use their houses to gamble when they are short of cash and there are addictive gamblers in China that have used their daughters to gamble away, if they lose their game the winner takes the daughter, I read this in a history book when things were extremely hard for people in China years ago, you don't have to use money or anything to gamble and it's still a gamble, trying to make a uncertain decision, predicting the outcome of any situation, is gambling.

It was stated that gambling does not only involved money  but  something of value which can be put as stake or bet.  In your example, the daughter or the house is put at stake and we all know that human lives and properties are of value or equivalent of sort.


For Example

You will win a gift card if you tell me exactly what Bitcoin's price will be at 12 PM tomorrow. You only have to guess what the price will be, so you have to guess. As of right now, you do not know, and you can just say no, that you don't know, but since you want to win, you will have to gamble, so luck will be the only thing you can rely on.

Does the person guessing have stake to put in in order to win a prize?  If yes then it is gambling if no then it is not and you are just hosting a guessing game with a chance to win a gift card.
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You can gamble with or without money, and it's still a gambling, people use their houses to gamble when they are short of cash and there are addictive gamblers in China that have used their daughters to gamble away, if they lose their game the winner takes the daughter, I read this in a history book when things were extremely hard for people in China years ago, you don't have to use money or anything to gamble and it's still a gamble, trying to make a uncertain decision, predicting the outcome of any situation, is gambling.

For Example

You will win a gift card if you tell me exactly what Bitcoin's price will be at 12 PM tomorrow. You only have to guess what the price will be, so you have to guess. As of right now, you do not know, and you can just say no, that you don't know, but since you want to win, you will have to gamble, so luck will be the only thing you can rely on.
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Most of the peeps are confusing or may be associating the word gambling with money only. I think that's because everyone is in the gambling section and seeing casino's everywhere and ultimately falling for the "money" everywhere ideology. Well, gambling is gambling. You can gamble anything; from your life to your house or may be some furniture in the house, or may be your dirt bike. It's just the word that's being used in misleading way.

Now I understand that you want to publish that website to us and it's good that they have some unique ways to trade around it and hopefully it pan out to be fun site for the users.

As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

You are not using your money to gamble so what kind of risk are you referring to?

You should first know what the meaning of gambling is; as long as you're not risking your money for the chance of winning or getting money then it's not gambling, like I said previously it's more like a giveaway (go to games and round) and see them there.
According to me if anything that will have value and bet instead of money then it is consider as a gambling. Not only money is used for gambling nowadays, gambling can also be done with various valuable things. Moreover, even if you earn free money and gamble with that money, it is also gambling. In this regard you may have been earning money for free but it was later treated as your money. If you don't think it as your money, you might not think of it as gambling. But I would totally compare it to gambling.

Exactly. In fact we have seen this happening in the car racing games, or some bars or may be some games where peeps are used to gamble stuff associated with that game as well.
On the other hand, there is always risk. Though it's not money, we are still gambling something that carries monetary value. Definitely if we are going gamble it and lose then we lose, that's the risk. Smiley
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

You are not using your money to gamble so what kind of risk are you referring to?

You should first know what the meaning of gambling is; as long as you're not risking your money for the chance of winning or getting money then it's not gambling, like I said previously it's more like a giveaway (go to games and round) and see them there.
According to me if anything that will have value and bet instead of money then it is consider as a gambling. Not only money is used for gambling nowadays, gambling can also be done with various valuable things. Moreover, even if you earn free money and gamble with that money, it is also gambling. In this regard you may have been earning money for free but it was later treated as your money. If you don't think it as your money, you might not think of it as gambling. But I would totally compare it to gambling.
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Well poker stars has used points system for long time where you can play without real money, also zynga poker. Now I think if you care enough for the points it's gambling. Gambling is not neccesarry a bad thing either. If you care for somerhing that is betting on then it is gambling for me.
If you mean zynga poker is a poker game on Facebook, I once met a friend who bought chips collected from zynga poker and then used them to play. And when he managed to win a lot of chips, he sold the chips and got some money.

It's still gambling, even though indirectly using money. And as long as you can still control yourself while gambling, gambling is not bad. But the reality is that many people cannot control themselves while gambling and lose a lot of money. That's what makes gambling bad for him.
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

You are not using your money to gamble so what kind of risk are you referring to?

You should first know what the meaning of gambling is; as long as you're not risking your money for the chance of winning or getting money then it's not gambling, like I said previously it's more like a giveaway (go to games and round) and see them there.
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IMHO. Yes, because of the requirement that it has got.

The winning amount has 1X wagering requirement

Good catch but it is after you win the price.  Isn't it?  So winning the amount from the prediction, you do not stake anything. Thus, you did not gamble or put a stake that comes from your purse at all.

Withdrawing the winnings is another part where you wager your winning amount.  If we connect it, you still don't wager anything from your purse at all because you did not stake anything in the first place.  You are playing with the host's money, right?  And it will be yours once you meet the requirement.  Well, I partially agree that this action (claiming the prize) is gambling since there is a wagering requirement regardless of whose money it is but the first part which is the prediction contest isn't.  Gambling came after the contest is done.

Good points mate.
Yes, that's after when you finally have won and that's what I'm telling that those that are giving like free bets and free tickets, they're still all considered gambling even if you have nothing to stake with and as to the requirement of getting the prize, you'll be required to at least have 1 wager requirement and it hasn't said any amount on it so basically, that's a heads off and easy requirement that one can simply comply afterwards.
From these several arguments the conclusion is that anything that still uses the terms of the bet is gambling even though we predict for free and we will bet after winning but in the end it is also a bet not.
So even though it's free but the real prize is still gambling.
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Well poker stars has used points system for long time where you can play without real money, also zynga poker. Now I think if you care enough for the points it's gambling. Gambling is not neccesarry a bad thing either. If you care for somerhing that is betting on then it is gambling for me.
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Yes, it is so. When you just watching some match - you don`t lose anything. You can be just become disappointed with the result. But when you can lose something - you feel much more emotions from the match/fight.
And your predictions and bets become more accurate when you feel responsibility for the result.
Disappointment is sure to get when gamblers lose some money but when gamblers bet with pleasure and responsibility they don't regret what they have lost because of betting and precisely from that loss they can learn and learn to make every prediction correctly and learn to control themselves so that they are more be responsible and can accept any risk when betting.
Emotions have made many gamblers lose things and even make it difficult to be able to make correct betting predictions.
By the way, have you ever had a number of free spins and managed to win tens of dollars but had to deposit more than what you got to make a withdrawal and when you made a deposit you had to bet but instead lost everything because of curiosity when playing using free spins you can get the win.
In my opinion without your own responsibility you can`t learn to predict. You can train, but the price of such predictions is zero. I think that until you don`t ready to risk your money - you can`t advice someone to risk.
Yes, i lost my money with free spins, and i`m sure that it is the main purpose of such bonuses - make the gambler spend his own money to get the profit from the free spins.
I can learn to predictions, friends, so far I have never used other people's predictions and prefer to bet my predictions, whether the results win or lose are profitable or not, but so I can hone and improve the predictions that are made so that in the future could be better.
There is no knowledge without learning and no success without defeat.
I will definitely be ready to risk my money because it is a choice and risks will definitely come at any time in gambling. Losses I only consider as payment for the experience and insight that I get.

From losing money because these free spins should be able to give you experience that not all bonuses can be profitable and you have to be able to calculate whether the bonus is worth it or not, friend.
Some of our prediction are gone wrong and right for example we predict that our favorite team will win their game, but they failed to do that so our prediction not gonna work. But sometimes what we predict is what will happen so it's a sort of lucky day. But it's better to understand more things than predicting all the time. Gathered some knowledge in order to be more great in gambling is better than predicting.
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Yes, it is so. When you just watching some match - you don`t lose anything. You can be just become disappointed with the result. But when you can lose something - you feel much more emotions from the match/fight.
And your predictions and bets become more accurate when you feel responsibility for the result.
Disappointment is sure to get when gamblers lose some money but when gamblers bet with pleasure and responsibility they don't regret what they have lost because of betting and precisely from that loss they can learn and learn to make every prediction correctly and learn to control themselves so that they are more be responsible and can accept any risk when betting.
Emotions have made many gamblers lose things and even make it difficult to be able to make correct betting predictions.
By the way, have you ever had a number of free spins and managed to win tens of dollars but had to deposit more than what you got to make a withdrawal and when you made a deposit you had to bet but instead lost everything because of curiosity when playing using free spins you can get the win.
In my opinion without your own responsibility you can`t learn to predict. You can train, but the price of such predictions is zero. I think that until you don`t ready to risk your money - you can`t advice someone to risk.
Yes, i lost my money with free spins, and i`m sure that it is the main purpose of such bonuses - make the gambler spend his own money to get the profit from the free spins.
I can learn to predictions, friends, so far I have never used other people's predictions and prefer to bet my predictions, whether the results win or lose are profitable or not, but so I can hone and improve the predictions that are made so that in the future could be better.
There is no knowledge without learning and no success without defeat.
I will definitely be ready to risk my money because it is a choice and risks will definitely come at any time in gambling. Losses I only consider as payment for the experience and insight that I get.

From losing money because these free spins should be able to give you experience that not all bonuses can be profitable and you have to be able to calculate whether the bonus is worth it or not, friend.
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IMHO. Yes, because of the requirement that it has got.

The winning amount has 1X wagering requirement

Good catch but it is after you win the price.  Isn't it?  So winning the amount from the prediction, you do not stake anything. Thus, you did not gamble or put a stake that comes from your purse at all.

Withdrawing the winnings is another part where you wager your winning amount.  If we connect it, you still don't wager anything from your purse at all because you did not stake anything in the first place.  You are playing with the host's money, right?  And it will be yours once you meet the requirement.  Well, I partially agree that this action (claiming the prize) is gambling since there is a wagering requirement regardless of whose money it is but the first part which is the prediction contest isn't.  Gambling came after the contest is done.

Good points mate.
Yes, that's after when you finally have won and that's what I'm telling that those that are giving like free bets and free tickets, they're still all considered gambling even if you have nothing to stake with and as to the requirement of getting the prize, you'll be required to at least have 1 wager requirement and it hasn't said any amount on it so basically, that's a heads off and easy requirement that one can simply comply afterwards.
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And in opposite when you've got nothing to bet for and it has no value for you but has a value based from the casino that has given that bet freely, it's still can be considered as a gamble.

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IMHO. Yes, because of the requirement that it has got.

The winning amount has 1X wagering requirement

Good catch but it is after you win the price.  Isn't it?  So winning the amount from the prediction, you do not stake anything. Thus, you did not gamble or put a stake that comes from your purse at all.

Withdrawing the winnings is another part where you wager your winning amount.  If we connect it, you still don't wager anything from your purse at all because you did not stake anything in the first place.  You are playing with the host's money, right?  And it will be yours once you meet the requirement.  Well, I partially agree that this action (claiming the prize) is gambling since there is a wagering requirement regardless of whose money it is but the first part which is the prediction contest isn't.  Gambling came after the contest is done.
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And in opposite when you've got nothing to bet for and it has no value for you but has a value based from the casino that has given that bet freely, it's still can be considered as a gamble.

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IMHO. Yes, because of the requirement that it has got.

The winning amount has 1X wagering requirement
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Gambling can be played in a variety of ways. You see, would it class as work if you are not paid in money? Does it class as a purchase if you decide to pay exchanging something? My take is that it is as long as you put there something that has value, from your own time, reputation and even intangibles... or works of art or anything. Time is money as they say.
Exactly because even though a player does not deposit case directly to the casino to play with, he/she still invests one thing or the other ranging from their time efforts and even devices that are used it all involves values as you have rightly said.

But in most cases, society does not consider those as gambling, since the belief one can only gamble by staking some money and every or aspect is just regarded as just playing for fun.
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Gambling can be played in a variety of ways. You see, would it class as work if you are not paid in money? Does it class as a purchase if you decide to pay exchanging something? My take is that it is as long as you put there something that has value, from your own time, reputation and even intangibles... or works of art or anything. Time is money as they say.
^ Of course, even when you gamble for fun, there is still a risk involved.
You may lose money or other valuable things, such as your time or reputation if you are not careful. But gambling without money is a way to boost your knowledge of gambling. Just like what I did before, I gambled using an app poker game without using real money, my intention is to gain experience on how to play it. If you feel you gamble for experience and spend your time with that, then I disagree that not all them time you spend not jus because of money.

You did not gamble, you play and used an app poker game to increase your knowledge and experience about gambling games.  I think is a good case of a misconception about gambling and playing   No offense intended just giving an example.  

You can gain experience about games in gambling from playing gambling games with play money.  Watching other people play, reading articles and gambling game features.  But you cannot say you gamble when you really don't put any stake in the game you are playing.
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Gambling can be played in a variety of ways. You see, would it class as work if you are not paid in money? Does it class as a purchase if you decide to pay exchanging something? My take is that it is as long as you put there something that has value, from your own time, reputation and even intangibles... or works of art or anything. Time is money as they say.
^ Of course, even when you gamble for fun, there is still a risk involved.
You may lose money or other valuable things, such as your time or reputation if you are not careful. But gambling without money is a way to boost your knowledge of gambling. Just like what I did before, I gambled using an app poker game without using real money, my intention is to gain experience on how to play it. If you feel you gamble for experience and spend your time with that, then I disagree that not all them time you spend not jus because of money.
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In speaking about gambling without having involving money or simply you arent betting or risking something then it would really be that understandable if you do know the differences.
Good thing that there are still offerings which is something like this because it is really that impossible that there would be no company would really be giving out
free money making opportunity.

Well if there is no stake involved then it isn't gambling at all.  We should really know the difference between gambling and just playing.  And about gambling platforms giving out a prediction game just like the same case stated by @OP,

we can set the Bitcoin price prediction hosted by Bitcasino as another example. Now tell me is this game hosted by Bitcasino a gambling game or just a prediction game?

And in opposite when you've got nothing to bet for and it has no value for you but has a value based from the casino that has given that bet freely, it's still can be considered as a gamble.

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