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legendary
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Demo account is still gambling imo just you arent risking anything either, its hard to say as it literally is a practice account but also its still the same game.    Some people say the same thing about gambling small amounts but its all relative to your own boundaries and personal limits.  I still count it as gambling, if you won 10x in a row would you ignore the win as not real because it wasnt for money.  I have to disagree the gambling works as a game even when you dont gamble big or even gamble money at all I believe thats important to keep as a core thing or possibly the entire game just turns into a circle of money and stressful tbh.
   I think its even possible people learn more relieved of the money factor, just play and explore the game then add money and keep it as icing on the cake to every win or loss with your game, bets, etc.
Yes, even though using fake money on a demo account can also be said to be gambling in the training stage, because using something in the form of value at stake even though it has no value is still said to be gambling, all people's views are different, so some will say this is not gambling and some say this is still called gambling.

Whatever form it takes, whatever type of asset or object is at stake, it is still said to be gambling because you don't always have to use money to gamble because it can be in any form and has value.
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It can be interesting experiment. You can learn to play some new games in such a way, you can try to predict something or test some ideas. But the main test is where you bet your own money. Until this moment your predictions can be good only for you. How someone can believe your prediction if you don`t ready to prove your words with money?
Yes demo account is mainly for learners who want to play some free games without real time deposits on fake accounts,  but then in most cases the quality of the games are not the same with those that are played with real money,  since the winning is what excite many of us,  it's important to also note the place and role of having your bet at stake.

That alone increase the ability of the player to make the best decisions while playing the games,  and since there is a difference between free games and monetized games.

Use of demo account is not the real gambling, but a learning ground to those that are beginners to learn about gambling for themselves, you may not need money to use in doing this because everything had already been set and orogrmmed on a learning platform to make use of their functions, they are not paid services and not the real gambling, but there you play, earn, win and loose which are the primary expectations you come across in real life gambling
Gambling with a demo account is never possible to understand the fun of gambling. Because the joy of victory and defeat of the gambling is not possible to mean it. But yes, only a gambler can learn how to play it. Where there is no fear of losing money, that can never be gambling. The main condition of gambling is where to get something in exchange for money or anything else, there will be the possibility of losing or financially damaged.
For me something that is risked without using real money like a demo account is not considered gambling because it is just a game and almost all parts of the country allow this kind of game because it is not one of gambling with real money.
It would be a different meaning if after using the demo account he switches to gambling using real money.
Because indirectly a demo account can trigger someone to gamble using real money.
There are also betting games on the Playstore that don't require money but in fact chips can be sold to everyone and this can only be called gambling.
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but what about OP's topic is a total free from betting but there is possibilities to win and that is what it stands . according to  internet it is about

Advice to consider if you’re gambling

Set a money limit in advance, and stick to it Before you begin playing, decide what you can afford to spend and commit to it. ...

Walk away from your losses ...
Treat gambling as an expense ...

Set a time limit in advance ...

Notice your feelings ...

Keep other activities in the mix ...

Take lots of breaks ...


this is what says in this link : https://www.bing.com/search?q=how+to+consider+gambling%3F&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&ghc=1&lq=0&pq=how+to+consider+gambling%3F&sc=10-25&sk=&cvid=B246D4E2A44C4F6280B7763B3251A4D1&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

with all of those , I think what ask above is different from being a gambler?and besides what is gambling if you don't need to put a bet, yeah you are wasting time and chances but yet there are still no money from your end.
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legendary
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Demo account is still gambling imo just you arent risking anything either, its hard to say as it literally is a practice account but also its still the same game.    Some people say the same thing about gambling small amounts but its all relative to your own boundaries and personal limits.  I still count it as gambling, if you won 10x in a row would you ignore the win as not real because it wasnt for money.  I have to disagree the gambling works as a game even when you dont gamble big or even gamble money at all I believe thats important to keep as a core thing or possibly the entire game just turns into a circle of money and stressful tbh.
   I think its even possible people learn more relieved of the money factor, just play and explore the game then add money and keep it as icing on the cake to every win or loss with your game, bets, etc.
legendary
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It can be interesting experiment. You can learn to play some new games in such a way, you can try to predict something or test some ideas. But the main test is where you bet your own money. Until this moment your predictions can be good only for you. How someone can believe your prediction if you don`t ready to prove your words with money?
Yes demo account is mainly for learners who want to play some free games without real time deposits on fake accounts,  but then in most cases the quality of the games are not the same with those that are played with real money,  since the winning is what excite many of us,  it's important to also note the place and role of having your bet at stake.

That alone increase the ability of the player to make the best decisions while playing the games,  and since there is a difference between free games and monetized games.

Use of demo account is not the real gambling, but a learning ground to those that are beginners to learn about gambling for themselves, you may not need money to use in doing this because everything had already been set and orogrmmed on a learning platform to make use of their functions, they are not paid services and not the real gambling, but there you play, earn, win and loose which are the primary expectations you come across in real life gambling
Gambling with a demo account is never possible to understand the fun of gambling. Because the joy of victory and defeat of the gambling is not possible to mean it. But yes, only a gambler can learn how to play it. Where there is no fear of losing money, that can never be gambling. The main condition of gambling is where to get something in exchange for money or anything else, there will be the possibility of losing or financially damaged.
There's no fun into it because you know that you cant lose something or win anything when you do make out some demo game but on the time that you would really be testing out some strategies
then i could say that it would really be that significant on doing such thing but only a few on whose that serious would be having this kind of taking on which they would really be testing out various
strategies which they do believe that it could work on the game that they are dealing with or playing. Speaking about without money kind of gambling is never been a gambling because you arent
really that risking something to get something which it would be understandable that there's no risks involved and if you do really have this kind of set up on where no money is involved
then its a risk free thing. Its not gambling at all. We do know the basic concepts on what is gambling in the first place.Thrill and excitement wont be there if you arent risking on something.
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Gambling with a demo account is never possible to understand the fun of gambling. Because the joy of victory and defeat of the gambling is not possible to mean it. But yes, only a gambler can learn how to play it.

Because playing in demo games is not gambling.  It is just pure gaming so, a person can really get the fun of gambling because there is no gambling activity there.

The main condition of gambling is where to get something in exchange for money or anything else, there will be the possibility of losing or financially damaged.

True that, as I stated, there should be a stake or bet, the risk, and the reward.  In most gambling there is always two possibilities, losing and winning, though you can get even from time to time.
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It can be interesting experiment. You can learn to play some new games in such a way, you can try to predict something or test some ideas. But the main test is where you bet your own money. Until this moment your predictions can be good only for you. How someone can believe your prediction if you don`t ready to prove your words with money?
Yes demo account is mainly for learners who want to play some free games without real time deposits on fake accounts,  but then in most cases the quality of the games are not the same with those that are played with real money,  since the winning is what excite many of us,  it's important to also note the place and role of having your bet at stake.

That alone increase the ability of the player to make the best decisions while playing the games,  and since there is a difference between free games and monetized games.

Use of demo account is not the real gambling, but a learning ground to those that are beginners to learn about gambling for themselves, you may not need money to use in doing this because everything had already been set and orogrmmed on a learning platform to make use of their functions, they are not paid services and not the real gambling, but there you play, earn, win and loose which are the primary expectations you come across in real life gambling
Gambling with a demo account is never possible to understand the fun of gambling. Because the joy of victory and defeat of the gambling is not possible to mean it. But yes, only a gambler can learn how to play it. Where there is no fear of losing money, that can never be gambling. The main condition of gambling is where to get something in exchange for money or anything else, there will be the possibility of losing or financially damaged.
legendary
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same as my view because i cant expect myself using all the time i am supposed to gamble for real money in playing in some online free games, it's not possible and if I have much time I will rather spend it gambling for real money because even while we playing for fun, we still have to add money to it to make it more motivating on the long run.

Those that could gamble with demo accounts are the computer gaming freaks and newbies who are looking for ways to familiarise themselves with the casino and its features but aside from that, one will need to gamble staking real money to get the right motivation and drive to play those games.

The majority of people never use the casino in its demo version, it is uncurrent, when you enter a casino the adrenaline does everything, it is known that if it earns with fictional money it is something disappointing, I have had very little with the demo versions,But it is not what we are looking for, because what we are looking for is more fun and we always want the best and if it is to win at once it is much better, because the emotion is also in retreat and that everything flows in the best way, without However, I think that demo versions is for us to realize the risk we are taking when we have little money and risk it will always be difficult.
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It can be interesting experiment. You can learn to play some new games in such a way, you can try to predict something or test some ideas. But the main test is where you bet your own money. Until this moment your predictions can be good only for you. How someone can believe your prediction if you don`t ready to prove your words with money?
Yes demo account is mainly for learners who want to play some free games without real time deposits on fake accounts,  but then in most cases the quality of the games are not the same with those that are played with real money,  since the winning is what excite many of us,  it's important to also note the place and role of having your bet at stake.

That alone increase the ability of the player to make the best decisions while playing the games,  and since there is a difference between free games and monetized games.

Use of demo account is not the real gambling, but a learning ground to those that are beginners to learn about gambling for themselves, you may not need money to use in doing this because everything had already been set and orogrmmed on a learning platform to make use of their functions, they are not paid services and not the real gambling, but there you play, earn, win and loose which are the primary expectations you come across in real life gambling
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Your example is considered as gambling because you have something to lose (regardless of if it is money or not) since you'll treat your friends for being the one who lose the bet. It is also quite common for us to have bet with family or friends in something but it doesn't involve money directly as the price, it's still gambling.

However, if the prize is replaced by money, but you'll not lose anything if ever you didn't win then it is not gambling. The prediction contest without asking you to risk your money is like a giveaway though the chance to win is slim.
Well, I think so because sometimes I am in a situation like that. Maybe not for those who have never or rarely been in the same situation. But I don't know. People have different perceptions about this. Perhaps, it seems that it depends on the object or subject so that it can be categorized as gambling or competition.
I agree with what @lienfaye has said because anything that risks goods or money with the aim of multiplying is gambling.
But on the other hand, it is also true that everyone's perceptions must be different on this matter because everyone's thoughts will never be the same.
It's just that the name of risking anything if you have the opportunity to lose and also gain is the same as gambling.
If you say competition doesn't make sense because it's risking for the sake of profit.
In gambling or betting there is no word perception of competition that there only wins or loses except in business maybe it is more acceptable to say competition.
I also agree with what he said because the name of betting could not only use money. And look around us, many people who have bet using many things and have fun doing it. I remember betting on the world cup or local football games with my cousins in school. And we don't use money because our parents forbade gambling. And even so, it already makes us happy to do it quietly Grin
In your gambling you can have fun but in the language of gambling your act does not fall under real gambling because there is no risk involved. If there is no risk then it cannot be gambling. I often used to bet with friends and bet on various things, one of which was treat at restaurant. Whoever loses that bet will pay restaurant bill. Here the contact of money is not directly visible but indirectly have appearance. If you lose, you will have to spend money. So it can be considered as gambling.
legendary
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Several years ago i decided to try free-roll poker tournaments. It was strange game after normal poker. I saw awful quantity of all-inners and when i called - they hadn`t even a pair. But sometimes i was sure that they has nothing and was caught on the river. After 2-3 days i stopped such poker - it hadn`t any sense to try to understand players.

Of course, sometimes it's hard to understand the logic of players in such tournaments because their all-ins can be very unpredictable. In such cases, it's typical and unpleasant if you call AA, but someone beats you with 72. Grin
Nevertheless, I think freeroll tournaments are still good for newbies, especially for those who want to build up their bankroll without the risk of losing their own money.
The problem is that you can`t train in such tournaments. You can get some free money or understand the rules but nothing more. When the player doesn`t matters about his bet - you can`t understand the game. If he has a good hand, or if he is bluffing, or, probably, he just tired and try to lose in such a way? They don`t risk anything so they can do strange things that you can`t predict.
That's for sure!  This is true! 
If a player does not lose money or something valuable to him in the process of losing in such a game, then this makes his behavior in the game completely different from what it would be if he lost something valuable to him.
 And such a game begins to resemble just a performance, a performance with clowns who do completely absurd things.  It may be funny, of course, and may even amuse the people watching the game, but it's not a real game.  And the emotions from such a fake game are also different.  Although in general it can be quite fun and funny.  But still, the lack of responsibility in making decisions in a game without money turns the game itself into simple entertainment with completely different emotions. 
All this is good for the games of young children and probably even useful for their overall development. 
But when adults do it, it looks rather strange.
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Your example is considered as gambling because you have something to lose (regardless of if it is money or not) since you'll treat your friends for being the one who lose the bet. It is also quite common for us to have bet with family or friends in something but it doesn't involve money directly as the price, it's still gambling.

However, if the prize is replaced by money, but you'll not lose anything if ever you didn't win then it is not gambling. The prediction contest without asking you to risk your money is like a giveaway though the chance to win is slim.
Well, I think so because sometimes I am in a situation like that. Maybe not for those who have never or rarely been in the same situation. But I don't know. People have different perceptions about this. Perhaps, it seems that it depends on the object or subject so that it can be categorized as gambling or competition.
I agree with what @lienfaye has said because anything that risks goods or money with the aim of multiplying is gambling.
But on the other hand, it is also true that everyone's perceptions must be different on this matter because everyone's thoughts will never be the same.
It's just that the name of risking anything if you have the opportunity to lose and also gain is the same as gambling.
If you say competition doesn't make sense because it's risking for the sake of profit.
In gambling or betting there is no word perception of competition that there only wins or loses except in business maybe it is more acceptable to say competition.
I also agree with what he said because the name of betting could not only use money. And look around us, many people who have bet using many things and have fun doing it. I remember betting on the world cup or local football games with my cousins in school. And we don't use money because our parents forbade gambling. And even so, it already makes us happy to do it quietly Grin
Your take should be perceived in the general gambling context only, but not in the perception of gambling as a business. Though, not impossible, it will be difficult that way. Money makes gambling easy and lucrative, and this is why businesses could be easily built around it, even online gambling is more convenient than offline gambling, and it's making the companies opt for it and more people patronise it since money could easily be sent.

Now look at it as though money is not evolved and people/businesses are relying on betting on materials and properties, how cumbersome would that be? There wouldn't even be online gambling because the verification of what you would bet with will be too stressful. The whole process will be tedious, boring and discouraging.
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Several years ago i decided to try free-roll poker tournaments. It was strange game after normal poker. I saw awful quantity of all-inners and when i called - they hadn`t even a pair. But sometimes i was sure that they has nothing and was caught on the river. After 2-3 days i stopped such poker - it hadn`t any sense to try to understand players.

Of course, sometimes it's hard to understand the logic of players in such tournaments because their all-ins can be very unpredictable. In such cases, it's typical and unpleasant if you call AA, but someone beats you with 72. Grin
Nevertheless, I think freeroll tournaments are still good for newbies, especially for those who want to build up their bankroll without the risk of losing their own money.
The problem is that you can`t train in such tournaments. You can get some free money or understand the rules but nothing more. When the player doesn`t matters about his bet - you can`t understand the game. If he has a good hand, or if he is bluffing, or, probably, he just tired and try to lose in such a way? They don`t risk anything so they can do strange things that you can`t predict.
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In my opinion, it's not gambling if you don't stake something valuable, something like money or what you can sell for money. Time is a valuable thing, no doubt about that. But if we go fishing, risking to lose our time and get nothing in return, we don't call it gambling, do we? No one does.

The example in the OP is gambling related, but we shouldn't call it gambling if nothing is at stake, I think.
You're correct, if we use time consuming is a form of gamble, I think most of activity in this world is called as gambling, then all countries should legalize gambling because accept or not, you're live with time.

But stake a valuable thing isn't always gambling, we need to know the original source he get. Someone who's gamble using valuable coins e.g. Bitcoin by claiming through the casino faucet isn't called as gambling since he's not risking anything, he get the coins by free.

So, if someone obtained something for free, like inheritance, for example, and he/she put that at stake, it's not gambling? I don't think so. Money from the casino faucet is still money, and although anyone, surely, can easily afford to lose that money, when they put it at stake, it's gambling, in my opinion. But if we take into account that you can't withdraw the money from the faucet, so, it's not actually ours, then it's a philosophical question, whether it's gambling or not. Smiley

      -  But there are movies I've seen where when a gambler bet in a casino and when he still loses, what they pay is a car or expensive jewelry in exchange for their loss and the casino also agrees, even if it's just a movie is possibly also true in reality.

That means, even if money is not used for gambling, as long as you have something that you have done in a casino, it can still be considered gambling.
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I think the free prediction is just another form of marketing. If everyone gamble for free, how will they make profit.
This could be for awhile after getting enough users or creating enough awareness, it won't be free.
However I'm trying this out, inviting others too. I love free predictions😀

 Grin

that's the problem, and that all of us who play at the casino lose money at the casino so the casino is making money and that's why even if they offer some free spins or bets to the players, the casino doesn't lose anything, the player he will win when he is given a free spin or a free bet but then he will continue playing and at the end of the day the player will end up losing all the money and of course he will be more willing to continue playing and for that reason he will look for money even if he has to borrow money he will ask and he will put it in the casino and he will lose money again

this strategy that casinos adopt of giving bonuses, giving free spins and free bets is an incredible way that makes people feel attracted to play at the casino and when they lose the free bet or free spin they are more willing to want to play , sometimes even the person loses a lot and decides to stop after 1 month for example but 7 days after losing everything the casino sends an email with a bonus offer or free bet and the person goes back to playing and losing and then makes an effort to get money for play, it's amazing how casinos manage to get players to come back to play at the casino
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Several years ago i decided to try free-roll poker tournaments. It was strange game after normal poker. I saw awful quantity of all-inners and when i called - they hadn`t even a pair. But sometimes i was sure that they has nothing and was caught on the river. After 2-3 days i stopped such poker - it hadn`t any sense to try to understand players.

Of course, sometimes it's hard to understand the logic of players in such tournaments because their all-ins can be very unpredictable. In such cases, it's typical and unpleasant if you call AA, but someone beats you with 72. Grin
Nevertheless, I think freeroll tournaments are still good for newbies, especially for those who want to build up their bankroll without the risk of losing their own money.

By the way, where are those free poker sites? and there aren't any and it's a shame, I haven't been able to and yes, I've been one of those people who put everything in All-in because it's a way of making the opponent dodge, but there are some opponents who have a lot of money and don't fall In that trap, sometimes I won, sometimes I lost, I capitalized and did well, but I have never been able to reach a poker final, and it seems that to get there you have to know a lot, I have studied a lot about poker, but not everything is in our hands, you also have to be very lucky for the good results to occur.
legendary
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Several years ago i decided to try free-roll poker tournaments. It was strange game after normal poker. I saw awful quantity of all-inners and when i called - they hadn`t even a pair. But sometimes i was sure that they has nothing and was caught on the river. After 2-3 days i stopped such poker - it hadn`t any sense to try to understand players.

Of course, sometimes it's hard to understand the logic of players in such tournaments because their all-ins can be very unpredictable. In such cases, it's typical and unpleasant if you call AA, but someone beats you with 72. Grin
Nevertheless, I think freeroll tournaments are still good for newbies, especially for those who want to build up their bankroll without the risk of losing their own money.
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Your example is considered as gambling because you have something to lose (regardless of if it is money or not) since you'll treat your friends for being the one who lose the bet. It is also quite common for us to have bet with family or friends in something but it doesn't involve money directly as the price, it's still gambling.

However, if the prize is replaced by money, but you'll not lose anything if ever you didn't win then it is not gambling. The prediction contest without asking you to risk your money is like a giveaway though the chance to win is slim.
Well, I think so because sometimes I am in a situation like that. Maybe not for those who have never or rarely been in the same situation. But I don't know. People have different perceptions about this. Perhaps, it seems that it depends on the object or subject so that it can be categorized as gambling or competition.
I agree with what @lienfaye has said because anything that risks goods or money with the aim of multiplying is gambling.
But on the other hand, it is also true that everyone's perceptions must be different on this matter because everyone's thoughts will never be the same.
It's just that the name of risking anything if you have the opportunity to lose and also gain is the same as gambling.
If you say competition doesn't make sense because it's risking for the sake of profit.
In gambling or betting there is no word perception of competition that there only wins or loses except in business maybe it is more acceptable to say competition.
I also agree with what he said because the name of betting could not only use money. And look around us, many people who have bet using many things and have fun doing it. I remember betting on the world cup or local football games with my cousins in school. And we don't use money because our parents forbade gambling. And even so, it already makes us happy to do it quietly Grin
Reminds me of my elementary School days, even though we were children then, we were still forbidden from gambling, and one might want to ask how we get money as children?
How we get money was easy, there are days we don't have what to eat in the morning before leaving for school, our parent will give us a small amount of money to buy food either on our way to school or during school break, some children save this money or part of it and use it to play games with their friends, for us (that is me and my siblings) we were clearly warned and forbidden from ever gambling) but still, we still enjoyed some games in the form of gambling, but we do not stake money so our parents don't see it as gambling.
It also reminds me because I used it to gamble with my childhood friends, but I didn't tell anyone Grin.

Well, childhood often makes us remember because that's where we get many interesting and unforgettable experiences. And at that time, we never thought that what we were doing was included in gambling. There are also times when we gamble but don't use money with friends, and that is also a fun experience with them.
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It can be interesting experiment. You can learn to play some new games in such a way, you can try to predict something or test some ideas. But the main test is where you bet your own money. Until this moment your predictions can be good only for you. How someone can believe your prediction if you don`t ready to prove your words with money?
Yes demo account is mainly for learners who want to play some free games without real time deposits on fake accounts,  but then in most cases the quality of the games are not the same with those that are played with real money,  since the winning is what excite many of us,  it's important to also note the place and role of having your bet at stake.

That alone increase the ability of the player to make the best decisions while playing the games,  and since there is a difference between free games and monetized games.
Several years ago i decided to try free-roll poker tournaments. It was strange game after normal poker. I saw awful quantity of all-inners and when i called - they hadn`t even a pair. But sometimes i was sure that they has nothing and was caught on the river. After 2-3 days i stopped such poker - it hadn`t any sense to try to understand players.
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In my opinion, it's not gambling if you don't stake something valuable, something like money or what you can sell for money. Time is a valuable thing, no doubt about that. But if we go fishing, risking to lose our time and get nothing in return, we don't call it gambling, do we? No one does.

The example in the OP is gambling related, but we shouldn't call it gambling if nothing is at stake, I think.
You're correct, if we use time consuming is a form of gamble, I think most of activity in this world is called as gambling, then all countries should legalize gambling because accept or not, you're live with time.

But stake a valuable thing isn't always gambling, we need to know the original source he get. Someone who's gamble using valuable coins e.g. Bitcoin by claiming through the casino faucet isn't called as gambling since he's not risking anything, he get the coins by free.

So, if someone obtained something for free, like inheritance, for example, and he/she put that at stake, it's not gambling? I don't think so. Money from the casino faucet is still money, and although anyone, surely, can easily afford to lose that money, when they put it at stake, it's gambling, in my opinion. But if we take into account that you can't withdraw the money from the faucet, so, it's not actually ours, then it's a philosophical question, whether it's gambling or not. Smiley
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