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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

it's not taking your money but your time and predictions, I think it can still be referred to as gambling even though definition of gambling suggest that you have to risk something of value or money.

When in some interesting and cunningly organized game there is such an option that you can play without investing money. And at the same time, there is an option that you will win and even receive the winnings in money. This means for sure that someone still invested their money in this game. Who is this person or this organization, ordinary players can only guess.
I see two options for which such games can be organized.
The first option, then a sponsorship contribution or can be considered a charity. The money won is paid out from the sponsor's money. At the same time, the sponsor himself can be anonymous, or vice versa, this game promotes him, for example, as a candidate for some kind of election.
The second option is when the money is provided by some organization that takes into account public opinion or finds out what percentage of the population is interested in gambling, lotteries and other forms of entertainment.
I think that the second option is the most likely and more common. And in this way, just someone finds out certain social relations in a particular society.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

it's not taking your money but your time and predictions, I think it can still be referred to as gambling even though definition of gambling suggest that you have to risk something of value or money.

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Quote from: Victorybit1 on May 15, 2023, 08:51:13 AM

I think the free prediction is just another form of marketing. If everyone gamble for free, how will they make profit.
This could be for awhile after getting enough users or creating enough awareness, it won't be free.
However I'm trying this out, inviting others too. I love free predictions😀

There are different ways people do utililize to get what they wants and it is just too obvious that we may not be aware of the various strategies we can use to make money as a gambler. Those who engage in referral are one of the people that do make money as a gambler without any stress at all. We may not know for now but it is always good for us to rapport with people do we can learn some of these method.

in gambling it does not have a particular way or strategies you can use to make money, I believe that gambling is 13 of Grace when you are opportune or when you have luck you can make money through gambling not by predictions or strategies

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Quote from: Victorybit1 on May 15, 2023, 08:51:13 AM

I think the free prediction is just another form of marketing. If everyone gamble for free, how will they make profit.
This could be for awhile after getting enough users or creating enough awareness, it won't be free.
However I'm trying this out, inviting others too. I love free predictions😀

There are different ways people do utililize to get what they wants and it is just too obvious that we may not be aware of the various strategies we can use to make money as a gambler. Those who engage in referral are one of the people that do make money as a gambler without any stress at all. We may not know for now but it is always good for us to rapport with people do we can learn some of these method.

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Quote from: mak013 on May 15, 2023, 05:49:39 AM

It can be interesting experiment. You can learn to play some new games in such a way, you can try to predict something or test some ideas. But the main test is where you bet your own money. Until this moment your predictions can be good only for you. How someone can believe your prediction if you don`t ready to prove your words with money?

Yes demo account is mainly for learners who want to play some free games without real time deposits on fake accounts, but then in most cases the quality of the games are not the same with those that are played with real money, since the winning is what excite many of us, it's important to also note the place and role of having your bet at stake.

That alone increase the ability of the player to make the best decisions while playing the games, and since there is a difference between free games and monetized games.

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Quote from: benalexis12 on May 13, 2023, 09:38:15 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 11, 2023, 10:49:44 AM

We must return this to the notion of gambling which involves betting in a game. So in general if a game is without betting then it cannot be said to be gambling in my opinion, because it goes back to the basic understanding of gambling itself. And I agree that gambling carries risks, and if there is nothing at stake then what risks will we get, because we don't bet anything and will not lose anything from that game.
However, if it is based on personal opinion, of course there will always be different opinions from one to another.

Didn't gambling start back then when money was not created yet and other things were paid when a gambler lost? Because I remembered when I was young, I was still in elementary school, when I was playing with my friends in the text card battle of marvels super heroes, when I won, I got a card instead of winning and when I accumulated a lot of cards, I sell cards to my opponents or teammates to make money for a small coin.

Yep, gambling is very old from its origin, initially, people used to bet assets or commodities or whatever they had since there were no currencies in those times, and gambling has been evolving ever since that, and today, we have got casinos available right at our fingertips in our mobile phones or laptops and we don't even need to go out to gamble anymore.

Some people who gamble just for fun among friends or cousins or relatives still use things as a wager for bets when they are making bets against each other on a certain match or something, and it is pretty fun.

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I think the free prediction is just another form of marketing. If everyone gamble for free, how will they make profit.
This could be for awhile after getting enough users or creating enough awareness, it won't be free.
However I'm trying this out, inviting others too. I love free predictions😀

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Quote from: lienfaye on May 13, 2023, 09:27:07 PM

Your example is considered as gambling because you have something to lose (regardless of if it is money or not) since you'll treat your friends for being the one who lose the bet. It is also quite common for us to have bet with family or friends in something but it doesn't involve money directly as the price, it's still gambling.

However, if the prize is replaced by money, but you'll not lose anything if ever you didn't win then it is not gambling. The prediction contest without asking you to risk your money is like a giveaway though the chance to win is slim.

Well, I think so because sometimes I am in a situation like that. Maybe not for those who have never or rarely been in the same situation. But I don't know. People have different perceptions about this. Perhaps, it seems that it depends on the object or subject so that it can be categorized as gambling or competition.

I agree with what @lienfaye has said because anything that risks goods or money with the aim of multiplying is gambling.
But on the other hand, it is also true that everyone's perceptions must be different on this matter because everyone's thoughts will never be the same.
It's just that the name of risking anything if you have the opportunity to lose and also gain is the same as gambling.
If you say competition doesn't make sense because it's risking for the sake of profit.
In gambling or betting there is no word perception of competition that there only wins or loses except in business maybe it is more acceptable to say competition.

I also agree with what he said because the name of betting could not only use money. And look around us, many people who have bet using many things and have fun doing it. I remember betting on the world cup or local football games with my cousins in school. And we don't use money because our parents forbade gambling. And even so, it already makes us happy to do it quietly Grin

Reminds me of my elementary School days, even though we were children then, we were still forbidden from gambling, and one might want to ask how we get money as children?
How we get money was easy, there are days we don't have what to eat in the morning before leaving for school, our parent will give us a small amount of money to buy food either on our way to school or during school break, some children save this money or part of it and use it to play games with their friends, for us (that is me and my siblings) we were clearly warned and forbidden from ever gambling) but still, we still enjoyed some games in the form of gambling, but we do not stake money so our parents don't see it as gambling.

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Quote from: lienfaye on May 13, 2023, 09:27:07 PM

Your example is considered as gambling because you have something to lose (regardless of if it is money or not) since you'll treat your friends for being the one who lose the bet. It is also quite common for us to have bet with family or friends in something but it doesn't involve money directly as the price, it's still gambling.

However, if the prize is replaced by money, but you'll not lose anything if ever you didn't win then it is not gambling. The prediction contest without asking you to risk your money is like a giveaway though the chance to win is slim.

Well, I think so because sometimes I am in a situation like that. Maybe not for those who have never or rarely been in the same situation. But I don't know. People have different perceptions about this. Perhaps, it seems that it depends on the object or subject so that it can be categorized as gambling or competition.

I agree with what @lienfaye has said because anything that risks goods or money with the aim of multiplying is gambling.
But on the other hand, it is also true that everyone's perceptions must be different on this matter because everyone's thoughts will never be the same.
It's just that the name of risking anything if you have the opportunity to lose and also gain is the same as gambling.
If you say competition doesn't make sense because it's risking for the sake of profit.
In gambling or betting there is no word perception of competition that there only wins or loses except in business maybe it is more acceptable to say competition.

I also agree with what he said because the name of betting could not only use money. And look around us, many people who have bet using many things and have fun doing it. I remember betting on the world cup or local football games with my cousins in school. And we don't use money because our parents forbade gambling. And even so, it already makes us happy to do it quietly Grin

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When there is no money involved , I think the only people who can have fun are those who have always played the play station, because when you played there you couldn't win, now on PS5 yes, there are many ways to monetize, that's good, and I I respect every point of view and what they think in each part of the world, but I am happy and it motivates me more when I bet with money involved because that risk that there is makes you have emotions, but the Important thing is to know how to play very well and to know each something that you have because if you start playing with money and without knowing it you will lose and it is not the idea either, the idea is that you can try to win.

We still have some people who play only the demo games that do not require them to make any deposits and that can be classified under this topic of discussion since the stake doesn't involve balance deduction even though those games are played in a casino.

But then to some other players, the potential winning rewards are their motivation, so playing those games that don't involve real stake and win seems to be a waste of time to them.

Yes, it really is a waste of time, but on many occasions I have played for real money at once and it has not gone well for me and what I have done is lose money, it happens to me a lot when they are games that I have not played. never played, I don't know, but one day happened to me with KENO, it's a game that if you don't know it and you start playing just for the sake of playing , you lose money , and I thought I wasn't going to lose anything, but things got out of hand and I started to losing and losing, until I said no more, and I stopped, that money that I lost in that game because I didn't understand how it is, I didn't get it back , I started playing the games that I did know.

It can be interesting experiment. You can learn to play some new games in such a way, you can try to predict something or test some ideas. But the main test is where you bet your own money. Until this moment your predictions can be good only for you. How someone can believe your prediction if you don`t ready to prove your words with money?

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Quote from: maydna on May 14, 2023, 04:43:06 AM

Quote from: lienfaye on May 13, 2023, 09:27:07 PM

Your example is considered as gambling because you have something to lose (regardless of if it is money or not) since you'll treat your friends for being the one who lose the bet. It is also quite common for us to have bet with family or friends in something but it doesn't involve money directly as the price, it's still gambling.

However, if the prize is replaced by money, but you'll not lose anything if ever you didn't win then it is not gambling. The prediction contest without asking you to risk your money is like a giveaway though the chance to win is slim.

Well, I think so because sometimes I am in a situation like that. Maybe not for those who have never or rarely been in the same situation. But I don't know. People have different perceptions about this. Perhaps, it seems that it depends on the object or subject so that it can be categorized as gambling or competition.

I agree with what @lienfaye has said because anything that risks goods or money with the aim of multiplying is gambling.
But on the other hand, it is also true that everyone's perceptions must be different on this matter because everyone's thoughts will never be the same.
It's just that the name of risking anything if you have the opportunity to lose and also gain is the same as gambling.
If you say competition doesn't make sense because it's risking for the sake of profit.
In gambling or betting there is no word perception of competition that there only wins or loses except in business maybe it is more acceptable to say competition.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

I tried to enter the Superpicks website you provided and confirmed it is a Prediction website. I can't say for sure if this website can be compared to gambling website but in some cases it can be called gambling website.
It's great to hear that it's offering a completely free service but the free service doesn't last long. People are more interested in websites for free services. It might be an important trick to promote their website.

I like these things a lot, especially if they are about betting, I don't know how good they are for predictions, I've been learning a lot about boxing, there are some events that turn out to be very relevant and that's where very good bets can be triggered, I like this because it is an option to be able to earn big money, I have not Decided, but I have seen Statistics and they are very promising, I want them to be at the top to be able to place my bets, this site does have its own analysis, I am interested To be Able to bet, it is Good to Have more than 1 Opinion.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 11, 2023, 10:49:44 AM

We must return this to the notion of gambling which involves betting in a game. So in general if a game is without betting then it cannot be said to be gambling in my opinion, because it goes back to the basic understanding of gambling itself. And I agree that gambling carries risks, and if there is nothing at stake then what risks will we get, because we don't bet anything and will not lose anything from that game.
However, if it is based on personal opinion, of course there will always be different opinions from one to another.

Didn't gambling start back then when money was not created yet and other things were paid when a gambler lost? Because I remembered when I was young, I was still in elementary school, when I was playing with my friends in the text card battle of marvels super heroes, when I won, I got a card instead of winning and when I accumulated a lot of cards, I sell cards to my opponents or teammates to make money for a small coin.

That is clearly different, the focus is when there are betting objects that can be categorized as gambling and what you do with the games you did when you were small is clearly the betting is about cards, not where the losers have to give to the winners?
There is a media that is a hero card there that is at stake which allows you to get an advantage when you win and have to lose if you lose.
That is clearly different from what the OP said because indeed in this case it is only about how we guess correctly and get profits but if we are wrong it doesn't have any impact.

Well for me, as long as you are taking risks and only relying on the whole outcome to the occurrence of luck and uncertainty. It is gambling. Money is just a tool. A great tool. like how we use to trade coins, assets, and properties. When you bet it without properly analyzing your edge and the outcome. When you don't have any control of the process but just bet one side over the other. It is gambling. You take risks with the hopes of greater returns. The more you bet, the greater accountability you must have.

What you say is true and I also understand that but that is too broad in my opinion.
We all know that when we talk about gambling, indeed money or goods at stake are tools used to support that can be said about gambling, but on the other hand, we must focus on the initial thread so that the focus does not spread anywhere.

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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

Our focus is still here. it doesn't matter when we bet and we are responsible I know that but on the other hand we are still talking about predictions without money but if we win we will get a reward there, don't go beyond that.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on May 13, 2023, 11:28:17 AM

Something could only be considered gambling if an equal or a placeholder of a value is put at stake in exchange of something with a higher valuation as a form of reward. With these Siperpicks as uou put it, that’s not really the case considering you don’t really put anything up in line, not even a single penny. And I’m quite interested to know how their whole business model looks too, because there’s no way in hell they’re anlento pay customers and winners like that without getting the money from somewhere, unless this is a money laundering scheme meant to ensure that those money are cleaned and not put into his name, quite possibly be put into the care of specific winners of whom the funder have connections with. I might just be spitballing here but there’s more to how these people could reward their players, and beyond the whole premise of a “betless” gamble, I think the manner at which they get the momey is much more important.

Just because we don't have to spend any money doesn't mean it's not gambling. In my opinion it's the games itself that qualify for being gambling or just games and sports. For example if a casino offers us free spins, or a bookmaker offers us free bets, wouldn't you call it gambling then? We can still win money from it, only it's free because of a promotion. The casino will try to get customers interested in their games and once the free games run out they will have to pay for it. I would rather describe anything that involves chance and randomness that leads to a profit as gambling. Also the casino have other sources of revenue like advertising to make a profit and let the gamblers play for free some minor games. With revenues the casino can't exist, but they also need to attract new customers on a regular basis to offset any regular gamblers leaving the casino.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 11, 2023, 10:49:44 AM

We must return this to the notion of gambling which involves betting in a game. So in general if a game is without betting then it cannot be said to be gambling in my opinion, because it goes back to the basic understanding of gambling itself. And I agree that gambling carries risks, and if there is nothing at stake then what risks will we get, because we don't bet anything and will not lose anything from that game.
However, if it is based on personal opinion, of course there will always be different opinions from one to another.

Didn't gambling start back then when money was not created yet and other things were paid when a gambler lost? Because I remembered when I was young, I was still in elementary school, when I was playing with my friends in the text card battle of marvels super heroes, when I won, I got a card instead of winning and when I accumulated a lot of cards, I sell cards to my opponents or teammates to make money for a small coin.

That is clearly different, the focus is when there are betting objects that can be categorized as gambling and what you do with the games you did when you were small is clearly the betting is about cards, not where the losers have to give to the winners?
There is a media that is a hero card there that is at stake which allows you to get an advantage when you win and have to lose if you lose.
That is clearly different from what the OP said because indeed in this case it is only about how we guess correctly and get profits but if we are wrong it doesn't have any impact.

Well for me, as long as you are taking risks and only relying on the whole outcome to the occurrence of luck and uncertainty. It is gambling. Money is just a tool. A great tool. like how we use to trade coins, assets, and properties. When you bet it without properly analyzing your edge and the outcome. When you don't have any control of the process but just bet one side over the other. It is gambling. You take risks with the hopes of greater returns. The more you bet, the greater accountability you must have.

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Quote from: serjent05 on May 13, 2023, 06:07:42 PM

Gambling involves wagering money or something of value on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the hope of winning a larger sum of money or prize. The outcome of gambling is determined largely by chance and luck, rather than skill or effort. Examples of gambling activities include casino games like slot machines, roulette, and blackjack, as well as sports betting and lotteries.

Competition, on the other hand, involves individuals or teams striving to achieve a goal or win a prize through skill and effort. The outcome of a competition is generally determined by the performance of the participants, rather than chance or luck. Examples of competitive activities include sports, contests, and games that require skill and strategy, such as chess or poker.

While both gambling and competition may involve a degree of risk and reward, the main difference between them is the extent to which skill and effort play a role in determining the outcome.

Well, perhaps that has a point. But I think you also know what I mean about gambling Grin

Some even say that life is a gamble because we don't know whether our efforts now can give us good results or whether we will fail and try again. I got it from chatting with several people about life, gambling, effort, and the results obtained.

Maybe there is a fine line between gambling and competition that you mean so that some say it is gambling while others say it is not. And many of us say that it isn't gambling as long as it doesn't involve money.

Quote from: lienfaye on May 13, 2023, 09:27:07 PM

Your example is considered as gambling because you have something to lose (regardless of if it is money or not) since you'll treat your friends for being the one who lose the bet. It is also quite common for us to have bet with family or friends in something but it doesn't involve money directly as the price, it's still gambling.

However, if the prize is replaced by money, but you'll not lose anything if ever you didn't win then it is not gambling. The prediction contest without asking you to risk your money is like a giveaway though the chance to win is slim.

Well, I think so because sometimes I am in a situation like that. Maybe not for those who have never or rarely been in the same situation. But I don't know. People have different perceptions about this. Perhaps, it seems that it depends on the object or subject so that it can be categorized as gambling or competition.

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Quote from: benalexis12 on May 13, 2023, 09:38:15 AM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on May 11, 2023, 10:49:44 AM

We must return this to the notion of gambling which involves betting in a game. So in general if a game is without betting then it cannot be said to be gambling in my opinion, because it goes back to the basic understanding of gambling itself. And I agree that gambling carries risks, and if there is nothing at stake then what risks will we get, because we don't bet anything and will not lose anything from that game.
However, if it is based on personal opinion, of course there will always be different opinions from one to another.

Didn't gambling start back then when money was not created yet and other things were paid when a gambler lost? Because I remembered when I was young, I was still in elementary school, when I was playing with my friends in the text card battle of marvels super heroes, when I won, I got a card instead of winning and when I accumulated a lot of cards, I sell cards to my opponents or teammates to make money for a small coin.

That is clearly different, the focus is when there are betting objects that can be categorized as gambling and what you do with the games you did when you were small is clearly the betting is about cards, not where the losers have to give to the winners?
There is a media that is a hero card there that is at stake which allows you to get an advantage when you win and have to lose if you lose.
That is clearly different from what the OP said because indeed in this case it is only about how we guess correctly and get profits but if we are wrong it doesn't have any impact.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

I tried to enter the Superpicks website you provided and confirmed it is a Prediction website. I can't say for sure if this website can be compared to gambling website but in some cases it can be called gambling website.
It's great to hear that it's offering a completely free service but the free service doesn't last long. People are more interested in websites for free services. It might be an important trick to promote their website.

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Quote from: maydna on May 13, 2023, 11:47:38 AM

Quote from: Shamm on May 13, 2023, 10:21:13 AM

For me without money it's called sport and not gambling because the main reason why A habit or a scenario called gambling is that it involves money which is we are all know that in gambling if we have enough money then we can play a lot of games and put our bet in that. but it will Matters in our luck because without our luck in our side then we can not win in our bet because in gambling prediction is not perfect.

But if the prize is an item or something else that can replace money, isn't that the same as gambling? We often do this, don't we? For example, if you lose in completing a job, you must treat your friends to a drink or a meal. You and your friends are competing to finish the job on time so you can be the winner. Sometimes the position of this money is replaced by something else, so it doesn't look like gambling, and we often do this in our daily lives. But maybe it's not gambling for you, and that's normal.

Your example is considered as gambling because you have something to lose (regardless of if it is money or not) since you'll treat your friends for being the one who lose the bet. It is also quite common for us to have bet with family or friends in something but it doesn't involve money directly as the price, it's still gambling.

However, if the prize is replaced by money, but you'll not lose anything if ever you didn't win then it is not gambling. The prediction contest without asking you to risk your money is like a giveaway though the chance to win is slim.

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Quote from: maydna on May 13, 2023, 11:47:38 AM

Quote from: Shamm on May 13, 2023, 10:21:13 AM

For me without money it's called sport and not gambling because the main reason why A habit or a scenario called gambling is that it involves money which is we are all know that in gambling if we have enough money then we can play a lot of games and put our bet in that. but it will Matters in our luck because without our luck in our side then we can not win in our bet because in gambling prediction is not perfect.

But if the prize is an item or something else that can replace money, isn't that the same as gambling? We often do this, don't we? For example, if you lose in completing a job, you must treat your friends to a drink or a meal. You and your friends are competing to finish the job on time so you can be the winner. Sometimes the position of this money is replaced by something else, so it doesn't look like gambling, and we often do this in our daily lives. But maybe it's not gambling for you, and that's normal.

Gambling gives more weight on the stake. If it is the prize that determines gambling then, beauty pageant and any competition that has rewards and awards can be called gambling which is not the case. There is a huge difference between competition and gambling, you can refer to this quoted message for the difference:

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Gambling involves wagering money or something of value on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the hope of winning a larger sum of money or prize. The outcome of gambling is determined largely by chance and luck, rather than skill or effort. Examples of gambling activities include casino games like slot machines, roulette, and blackjack, as well as sports betting and lotteries.

Competition, on the other hand, involves individuals or teams striving to achieve a goal or win a prize through skill and effort. The outcome of a competition is generally determined by the performance of the participants, rather than chance or luck. Examples of competitive activities include sports, contests, and games that require skill and strategy, such as chess or poker.

While both gambling and competition may involve a degree of risk and reward, the main difference between them is the extent to which skill and effort play a role in determining the outcome.

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