Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? - page 34.

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Quote from: arwin100 on April 23, 2023, 06:58:19 PM

For sure that's gonna happen since they cannot sustain their site for having free bets option to their site users. So provably what they are doing right now is part of their marketing techniques since its easy to spread out the site if there's free money involve as pot prize. Also with those experience we encounter about those things like we need to deposit first before we can withdraw our winnings then we need to be more careful with that since we don't know yet their reputation so exert more effort to research if they are running legitimate operation before doing such actions.

Please note that any site, that ask its users to deposit any amount of money before the user can withdraw he's or her winnings, is likely a scam.

This an old strategy by scammers where they first give you a substantial amount of money for free, or for doing very simple tasks, but upon withdrawal of such money, you are asked to make a deposit first, know if that they money is not money, it's just numbers on your dashboard, it can be wiped out any second or minute, when you fall, and deposit the money requested, be rest assured your money is gone.
I have encountered several of such sites, and non of them have ever been legit.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

could be called a giveaway or something similar to that? I mean it's basically the same thing as some of the gambling sites/sportsbooks do on games and rounds where you have a chance of winning money or free bets just by predicting something without spending any money.

I think the giveaway in that game and round is much different than the free prediction site Op said, it's definitely different.
The giveaway in the games and rounds is certain and transparent giving prizes to participants who take part in the event.
Whereas what Op said was a free prediction site and we never know whether in reality someone has actually won a prize from that site.
So the site will not be able to be as transparent as the games and rounds.

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Quote from: lienfaye on April 24, 2023, 12:12:55 AM

Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

It is not gambling for me since you didn't risk anything valuable. You can predict for free similar to a bonus. You have nothing to lose here so it's not gambling.

But it's also not easy to win this prediction since you have to guess correctly the score of 6 soccer matches. If you're already a gambler, you might be tempted to play with real money to see your chances. I think this is just a strategy to lure the gamblers to play on the casino.

Of course, how can it be considered a gamble if there is no money involved if all you do is guess. Also, I honestly couldn't get it when the author wanted to point to it.
But even so, maybe the author's theme is to possibly give more encouragement to other communities to play in a casino gambling here in cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: arwin100 on April 23, 2023, 06:58:19 PM

For sure that's gonna happen since they cannot sustain their site for having free bets option to their site users. So provably what they are doing right now is part of their marketing techniques since its easy to spread out the site if there's free money involve as pot prize. Also with those experience we encounter about those things like we need to deposit first before we can withdraw our winnings then we need to be more careful with that since we don't know yet their reputation so exert more effort to research if they are running legitimate operation before doing such actions.

It's like a trap, and their target is people who always want to try and never do their research first. Now which sites are willing to give money when their users predict successfully. Maybe there is, but it doesn't always work that way.
Yes, this can also be said as a promotion that they are doing. Now it's easy to get registrars with free frills without spending any capital. I personally will avoid things like this and I prefer to gamble in places that are trusted.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on April 23, 2023, 05:27:56 AM

Gambling is gambling

You can gamble with Your Life.

You can gamble with your house or cars.

You can gamble with anything valuable.

You can gamble with your crypto assets.

You can gamble with anything you want, it doesn't have to be money, and not using money to gamble doesn't make it less of a gamble, Prediction is also a gamble.

Whatever you mentioned are valuable things and if they are at stake, that's gambling. But how is that gambling if there is nothing at stake? If you say one spends their time, spending time on something doesn't make it gambling. It would only be considered gambling if you have something up at stake that you can lose if you lose.

A prediction where you have bet something that you can lose will be called gambling, not a prediction where nothing is up at stake. I don't consider myself gambling if I'm just normally predicting that a team will win a match but not making any bets with anyone.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

It is not gambling for me since you didn't risk anything valuable. You can predict for free similar to a bonus. You have nothing to lose here so it's not gambling.

But it's also not easy to win this prediction since you have to guess correctly the score of 6 soccer matches. If you're already a gambler, you might be tempted to play with real money to see your chances. I think this is just a strategy to lure the gamblers to play on the casino.

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Quote from: Haunebu on April 22, 2023, 11:28:44 AM

Have never heard of this site and it says 'Access denied' just like some of the posters above mentioned when I tried accessing it. There has to be a catch op since they aren't some sort of charity giving away free money.

Coming to your query, I wouldn't call it gambling since you aren't risking anything in order to win something. Such offers are usually scams though.

Maybe it can be said as a giveaway, because here we don't need to risk money, or it can also be called a lucky contest.
You are right, if there is such an offer, it is closer to a scam. The reason is, logically it is impossible for someone to continue to give gifts without us spending a penny. If it happened once or twice it might still make sense, but if it keeps happening, to be honest I don't think it's really real. But if there really is, why not. Grin

wait a minute, maybe a site provides a place to predict for free and get a real prize, but when the prediction is all right and deserves the money, maybe the customer is asked to deposit a few dollars to pay a fee. this is an old scam scheme. Cheesy

I'm still a little skeptical of things that look free but in the end have to pay to get our winnings. lol

That makes sense, because now nothing is free in life. If the end asks to deposit to withdraw after winning a prediction, what's the difference with us depositing first and making a bet. There are many ways that fraudsters do in their modus operandi, it continues to develop over time. Don't think that fraudsters are not smart, in fact they are smarter if we are tempted by the offers they give. Now we have to be really smart in seeing things that are beyond logic, otherwise we will be easily fooled by offers like this.

For sure that's gonna happen since they cannot sustain their site for having free bets option to their site users. So provably what they are doing right now is part of their marketing techniques since its easy to spread out the site if there's free money involve as pot prize. Also with those experience we encounter about those things like we need to deposit first before we can withdraw our winnings then we need to be more careful with that since we don't know yet their reputation so exert more effort to research if they are running legitimate operation before doing such actions.

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Quote from: goaldigger on April 23, 2023, 04:50:59 PM

There might be no risk of losing here since there’s no money involve, I still consider this as gambling as you play with the casinos games, because for me it looks like you are just learning how the site works and you will try it with real money sooner or later.

I also think it's gambling. It's being done inside a casino and even without the need to stake money, still that may be taken as a gambling because you might be able to win.

Quote from: goaldigger on April 23, 2023, 04:50:59 PM

This could be just a marketing strategy, which played on your emotion and making you feel the excitement of gambling, better to be careful with this.

Right, when you've lost to the free they've given. That won't suffice you and you may want to take another bet and by that time, you need to use your own money and deposit rightafter that lost.

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There might be no risk of losing here since there’s no money involve, I still consider this as gambling as you play with the casinos games, because for me it looks like you are just learning how the site works and you will try it with real money sooner or later. This could be just a marketing strategy, which played on your emotion and making you feel the excitement of gambling, better to be careful with this.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Honestly, that’s new to my ears. But I will try to take a good research on it so that I will know on how it’s game is really played. However, I don’t think gambling can happen without putting money at stake or wagering an amount that you’re willing to lose. One thing I know about gambling is that you will gain an income if you won, so if there’s no money involved, how will you make a good amount of winnings from it? If that’s the case, I don’t think gambling will still be interesting as it is.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

You are betting something to happen and then expecting a reward for it then it's a gamble.
Even if you are not actually putting up anything for the bet even then it would be gamble.
Heard in a movie once where they said everything in this world is a gamble.
Even our day job is a gamble where we put our hard work in place of a bet and expect our salary by the month end then it's a gamble.

The difference is that in a job you are not playing a game of chance nor a game of skill just to win a prize, you got a fixed reward and is included in the contract that will assure you of getting something fix or you know the amount you will be receiving in the end. Unlike in gambling that you don't know whether you will win a prize or not.

If you take gambling that way, then life itself is a gamble which is proven to be not the case. It is cleared that there are set of parameters to be able to identify which is gambling and which is not. Even in legal documents states that the present of the so called stake or bet is what separate gambling from gaming which many of us are confused of.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Well, for me, I think gambling is gambling, whether it involved money or not, I said this because I could remember way back when I was still a kid, me and my sister, plus some other good friends, would gather and play several games, just to bear "the winner" title, we usually don't spend a dime on those games, but the fun we always have playing the game some times, is much more than it would have been had it been that money was involved.

The truth remains that, for some games, money have removed the real fun that used to be in such game.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Money is not the only thing that can be put at risk or at stake to be considered gambling.

Maybe we can rephrase the question into "Can it still be called gambling if we don't have to put anything at risk at all" or something along those lines.

Checking the website mentioned, it's clear that the game is "Free to Play" although not digging yet some details as for sure there are lots of "footnotes" there as part of the Terms and Conditions. More likely, just the same as how "free contest" events go.

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In this concept a person do everything for gamble except using own money. Some one getting chance to gamble for free. So it is consider as gambling. It doesn't matter where the money comes from. Maybe initially you will get a little discount like bonus but at some point you will definitely be inspired to deposit. This is how you can get totally involved in gambling at some point. So I can't treat it differently. Moreover, why they give you free, what is their benefit? They will teach you initially and later you will manage it yourself.

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Quote from: Haunebu on April 22, 2023, 11:28:44 AM

Have never heard of this site and it says 'Access denied' just like some of the posters above mentioned when I tried accessing it. There has to be a catch op since they aren't some sort of charity giving away free money.

Coming to your query, I wouldn't call it gambling since you aren't risking anything in order to win something. Such offers are usually scams though.

Maybe it can be said as a giveaway, because here we don't need to risk money, or it can also be called a lucky contest.
You are right, if there is such an offer, it is closer to a scam. The reason is, logically it is impossible for someone to continue to give gifts without us spending a penny. If it happened once or twice it might still make sense, but if it keeps happening, to be honest I don't think it's really real. But if there really is, why not. Grin

wait a minute, maybe a site provides a place to predict for free and get a real prize, but when the prediction is all right and deserves the money, maybe the customer is asked to deposit a few dollars to pay a fee. this is an old scam scheme. Cheesy

I'm still a little skeptical of things that look free but in the end have to pay to get our winnings. lol

That makes sense, because now nothing is free in life. If the end asks to deposit to withdraw after winning a prediction, what's the difference with us depositing first and making a bet. There are many ways that fraudsters do in their modus operandi, it continues to develop over time. Don't think that fraudsters are not smart, in fact they are smarter if we are tempted by the offers they give. Now we have to be really smart in seeing things that are beyond logic, otherwise we will be easily fooled by offers like this.

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Quote from: len01 on April 22, 2023, 03:28:00 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on April 22, 2023, 12:55:20 PM

Maybe it can be said as a giveaway, because here we don't need to risk money, or it can also be called a lucky contest.
You are right, if there is such an offer, it is closer to a scam. The reason is, logically it is impossible for someone to continue to give gifts without us spending a penny. If it happened once or twice it might still make sense, but if it keeps happening, to be honest I don't think it's really real. But if there really is, why not. Grin

wait a minute, maybe a site provides a place to predict for free and get a real prize, but when the prediction is all right and deserves the money, maybe the customer is asked to deposit a few dollars to pay a fee. this is an old scam scheme. Cheesy

I'm still a little skeptical of things that look free but in the end have to pay to get our winnings. lol

Even in that scenario, it will still not make your experience gambling or make it gambling since what you did, didn't really involve any money, and if you are asked for money at the end, that will surely make it a scam or it might even not be a scam but genuinely needs fees from players to pay for the transactions paid to the winners.

But, it will most probably be considered a scam if this wasn't initially said or shown that whoever wins, will have to pay for the transaction fees, etc. If they let you know in the beginning and have it in their terms and conditions, then they are not a scam.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

You are betting something to happen and then expecting a reward for it then it's a gamble.
Even if you are not actually putting up anything for the bet even then it would be gamble.
Heard in a movie once where they said everything in this world is a gamble.
Even our day job is a gamble where we put our hard work in place of a bet and expect our salary by the month end then it's a gamble.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Hmm, technically speaking "gambling" means to risk something while deciding on an action, and this "something" can be anything really, but the most basic form most people use as a part of entertainment is money, but it can technically still be something else, something like punishment games or something, but it's a "pre-requisite", meaning it's something required. It may vary depending on how you'd define gambling, but considering what I said, then no, it's not gambling without anything at risk (not just money). It's a giveaway at that point, certainly wouldn't call it gambling otherwise a LOT of people (especialyl social media influencers) are in trouble for doing giveaways.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on April 22, 2023, 12:55:20 PM

Maybe it can be said as a giveaway, because here we don't need to risk money, or it can also be called a lucky contest.

Giveaway does make complete sense here. I wouldn't waste my time with unpopular site giveaways though like 1xbit etc where you are not guaranteed to receive your winnings after participating.

None of these promotions by legit/scam sites are equivalent to gambling though since you aren't risking anything.

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If the matter is a guess, that cannot be called gambling, or it depends on the belief of a gambler, maybe if the gambler believes in gambling, it can be said that it is still gambling.
But even so, it is difficult to know if you will win gambling, in short unpredictable whether you will be lucky or not the day you gamble in a casino here in cryptocurrency. Then I didn't trip those Superpicks to gamble.

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