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The occasion is indeed gambling , but the bettor ? can we consider them as Gambler in that way when they did not even put a single cent to gamble?
this is  a never ending debate I believe unless will be answered directly by those who are involved and admit if they are gambler or not.
this can be handled by not gambler that only wants to try their luck as it is a freebet.
They can be said to a gambler because in times that they will win with those free bets then that means that they have gambled and they're gamblers.
Having free bets isn't only limited to nongamblers but even those hardcore gamblers, we all want to have free bets if it's possible that we can win some bets and prizes through it.

Gambling can be played in a variety of ways. You see, would it class as work if you are not paid in money? Does it class as a purchase if you decide to pay exchanging something? My take is that it is as long as you put there something that has value, from your own time, reputation and even intangibles... or works of art or anything. Time is money as they say.
And in opposite when you've got nothing to bet for and it has no value for you but has a value based from the casino that has given that bet freely, it's still can be considered as a gamble.
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Yes, it is so. When you just watching some match - you don`t lose anything. You can be just become disappointed with the result. But when you can lose something - you feel much more emotions from the match/fight.
And your predictions and bets become more accurate when you feel responsibility for the result.
Disappointment is sure to get when gamblers lose some money but when gamblers bet with pleasure and responsibility they don't regret what they have lost because of betting and precisely from that loss they can learn and learn to make every prediction correctly and learn to control themselves so that they are more be responsible and can accept any risk when betting.
Emotions have made many gamblers lose things and even make it difficult to be able to make correct betting predictions.
By the way, have you ever had a number of free spins and managed to win tens of dollars but had to deposit more than what you got to make a withdrawal and when you made a deposit you had to bet but instead lost everything because of curiosity when playing using free spins you can get the win.
In my opinion without your own responsibility you can`t learn to predict. You can train, but the price of such predictions is zero. I think that until you don`t ready to risk your money - you can`t advice someone to risk.
Yes, i lost my money with free spins, and i`m sure that it is the main purpose of such bonuses - make the gambler spend his own money to get the profit from the free spins.

There is no better teacher than self experience. You can not teach someone without you knowing that thing through experience. If you must predict, you must have experience in predicting game or otherwise, so as to be able to predict for others. So therefore, you must have spent your resources to learning how to predict which means it is not free.

When betting, it is advised to use spare cash you can afford to loose same advise is applicable herein on this platform.  So if you loose funds in the course of betting it would not bother you much because of the fact that the funds are spare Cash and nothing to worry about.
That's why it is always advised to gamble responsibly.
Seeing other experience does really add up that kind of awareness on how things do works and what truly it is, on which it would really be lessening out the risk on committing mistakes just because you have done your effort and using up your own common sense on how to make some adjustment basing up on others experiences too. Its true that there's no other best teacher than self experience on where even you do
consider yourself that fully aware on things or something knowledge, there are still things which arent really that within your grasps.

In speaking about gambling without having involving money or simply you arent betting or risking something then it would really be that understandable if you do know the differences.
Good thing that there are still offerings which is something like this because it is really that impossible that there would be no company would really be giving out
free money making opportunity.
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Gambling can be played in a variety of ways. You see, would it class as work if you are not paid in money? Does it class as a purchase if you decide to pay exchanging something? My take is that it is as long as you put there something that has value, from your own time, reputation and even intangibles... or works of art or anything. Time is money as they say.

Can you give proof that time is money?  Time is valuable but I don't think it is money.  You can spend time yes but you cannot acquire money from it unless you have used it to produce goods.  Time alone cannot bring you money unless some factors are added.  for example, your effort in doing jobs can give you money. Or you deposit or you invested money in some system that produce interest over the span of time.  See effort and other factor  is added on time to make money.  Time alone cannot produce you money.  example, if you idle yourself without doing anything.

Work isn't gambling because there is an agreement between two parties where the one provide effort and the other one provide payment according to the value of the work.  There is actually no risk here because both party promised or made contract wherein if deliver will give the promised equivalent amount of the effort done.  If the other party failed to deliver then he can be bring to the court to settle the promised payment.

Same goes with the purchased of goods.  It can never be considered gambling because you just pay an amount equivalent to the item value.  The one thing that can be considered gambling is the mystery purchase but it is on borderline gambling. 

As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.
What do you consider the risk to be about if there is no money at stake? Every single game is a win-or-lose type of game, but not every game in the world is a gambling game or should be considered one unless there is something staked on it and I don't see OP mentioning anywhere that there is some requirement for it.

If there is nothing of value at stake, it cannot be considered gambling at all, and risk is only when you have something at stake which you can potentially lose if you don't make a correct prediction.

That is why I stated that there are lots of people who are confused between gambling and playing a game of chance.  Gambling is just a scope of the game of chance where people offer stake to take risk to the chance of getting bigger reward while other scope of the game of chance can be played even without stake.

For example, a guessing game can be a gambling and at the same time just a game of chance.

Guessing game can be a gambling if the player offer a stake or bet to win something.

Guessing game is only a game of chance if the player does not offer stake although get rewarde when he guess it right.  And the case cited by @OP fall under this category.
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.
What do you consider the risk to be about if there is no money at stake? Every single game is a win-or-lose type of game, but not every game in the world is a gambling game or should be considered one unless there is something staked on it and I don't see OP mentioning anywhere that there is some requirement for it.

If there is nothing of value at stake, it cannot be considered gambling at all, and risk is only when you have something at stake which you can potentially lose if you don't make a correct prediction.
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Gambling can be played in a variety of ways. You see, would it class as work if you are not paid in money? Does it class as a purchase if you decide to pay exchanging something? My take is that it is as long as you put there something that has value, from your own time, reputation and even intangibles... or works of art or anything. Time is money as they say.
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Yes, it is so. When you just watching some match - you don`t lose anything. You can be just become disappointed with the result. But when you can lose something - you feel much more emotions from the match/fight.
And your predictions and bets become more accurate when you feel responsibility for the result.
Disappointment is sure to get when gamblers lose some money but when gamblers bet with pleasure and responsibility they don't regret what they have lost because of betting and precisely from that loss they can learn and learn to make every prediction correctly and learn to control themselves so that they are more be responsible and can accept any risk when betting.
Emotions have made many gamblers lose things and even make it difficult to be able to make correct betting predictions.
By the way, have you ever had a number of free spins and managed to win tens of dollars but had to deposit more than what you got to make a withdrawal and when you made a deposit you had to bet but instead lost everything because of curiosity when playing using free spins you can get the win.
In my opinion without your own responsibility you can`t learn to predict. You can train, but the price of such predictions is zero. I think that until you don`t ready to risk your money - you can`t advice someone to risk.
Yes, i lost my money with free spins, and i`m sure that it is the main purpose of such bonuses - make the gambler spend his own money to get the profit from the free spins.

There is no better teacher than self experience. You can not teach someone without you knowing that thing through experience. If you must predict, you must have experience in predicting game or otherwise, so as to be able to predict for others. So therefore, you must have spent your resources to learning how to predict which means it is not free.

When betting, it is advised to use spare cash you can afford to loose same advise is applicable herein on this platform.  So if you loose funds in the course of betting it would not bother you much because of the fact that the funds are spare Cash and nothing to worry about.
That's why it is always advised to gamble responsibly.
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Gambling is something that has to do with staking money for a chance to participate in a gambling game but in the situation addressed by the OP, we can consider it to be gambling because it's a promotion provided by super sport and gambling website in order to have more customers on their platform. It's just like giving back to the community.
Gambling does not have to use money, on this site you may not use money to bet but bet to get points or use the points themselves, besides guessing or betting to get results it is already called gambling, even without having to spend any money, but this promotion is great already there must be sponsors in it who fund to attract many users to play and bet as well as gamble on this site.

I haven't tested it but beginners should test this to feel their skills and also add to the experience of this site, it's a good idea before betting on sports betting using real money, I think this site is intended for training for new users to feel their ability to predict, analyze their bets in betting sports
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Yes, it is so. When you just watching some match - you don`t lose anything. You can be just become disappointed with the result. But when you can lose something - you feel much more emotions from the match/fight.
And your predictions and bets become more accurate when you feel responsibility for the result.
Disappointment is sure to get when gamblers lose some money but when gamblers bet with pleasure and responsibility they don't regret what they have lost because of betting and precisely from that loss they can learn and learn to make every prediction correctly and learn to control themselves so that they are more be responsible and can accept any risk when betting.
Emotions have made many gamblers lose things and even make it difficult to be able to make correct betting predictions.
By the way, have you ever had a number of free spins and managed to win tens of dollars but had to deposit more than what you got to make a withdrawal and when you made a deposit you had to bet but instead lost everything because of curiosity when playing using free spins you can get the win.
In my opinion without your own responsibility you can`t learn to predict. You can train, but the price of such predictions is zero. I think that until you don`t ready to risk your money - you can`t advice someone to risk.
Yes, i lost my money with free spins, and i`m sure that it is the main purpose of such bonuses - make the gambler spend his own money to get the profit from the free spins.
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There are kinds of gambling we play in our local settings doesn't demand the inclusion of money, it's all for the fun that comes with it and it's still regarded as gambling just same way with the superpick game. They're all gambling without or without money involved.
From the local settings perspective, when money is not involved in gambling, we may refer to it as game because we can guess or argue about games of different kinds within the neighborhood, when we put in our money, then we are in for taking the risk and we have set in for gambling because in gambling, you make use of money to place a bet before you can enjoy gambling, here you put in all your efforts towards it and have the potential of winning a particular amount in gambling.
I don't understand why some people don't get the simple thing that anything that you do without risking any money or valuable goods or anything at all that is of value to you is not gambling, and gambling is only when you have something staked up that you can lose if you don't win or guess the correct outcome of whatever you are playing.

Even if you are playing a game with cards that is usually a gambling game but you are playing just for fun with your friends without anything at stake, that isn't considered gambling, until you guys start betting things on the games you are playing.
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Gambling is something that has to do with staking money for a chance to participate in a gambling game but in the situation addressed by the OP, we can consider it to be gambling because it's a promotion provided by super sport and gambling website in order to have more customers on their platform. It's just like giving back to the community.
The occasion is indeed gambling , but the bettor ? can we consider them as Gambler in that way when they did not even put a single cent to gamble?
this is  a never ending debate I believe unless will be answered directly by those who are involved and admit if they are gambler or not.
this can be handled by not gambler that only wants to try their luck as it is a freebet.
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.
Sometimes we forget that it is gambling and still think it is not gambling. We think that anything that uses money is gambling, whereas that does not use money, it is not gambling so in predicting it, we say it is not gambling. But as you said, whatever it is, if there is value to be gained from predictions, it is gambling. Well, that is the response from people only.
Actually the response to this Op case is still a hot topic of conversation because everyone has different opinions and thoughts, like now you think it's gambling because there are several risk triggers to gamble using real money.
For myself, betting for free to get real prizes from the results of this prediction can be considered open gambling as long as we consider this only a game that allows us to earn money from this guessing or prediction game.
But it will be gambling if the person is triggered by this prediction and bets using personal money to predict, then this is gambling.
So all responses return to their respective mindsets.
It's true what you say. But it's already a gamble because it's a free bet to get a real prize, even if it's just a prediction result. And many people don't realize that it is gambling because they think they are not spending any money at all to give their predictions and if they are lucky, they will get a real prize.

And that will trigger people to bet because eventually, people will want to get big prizes where there is a requirement to use real money to place bets. For this prediction game, I remember a site called futuur which also provides lots of predictions and we can use the tokens in the casino besides using other main coins.
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Gambling is something that has to do with staking money for a chance to participate in a gambling game but in the situation addressed by the OP, we can consider it to be gambling because it's a promotion provided by super sport and gambling website in order to have more customers on their platform. It's just like giving back to the community.
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It is written in all definition of gambling that it needs a stake, money or something of value to be put to risk in order to get a reward. 
Not something I've taken out time to check but, I must agree with the stakes for reward definition. Its almost ethical from a common sense perspective that, you've got to have something of value to lose by a means of your inaccurate prediction. If you ain't having anything at stake, then it's not gambling.

Okay, How about just making predictions without expecting any monetary reward but, just the cheer for beibg right or annoyance when you get it wrong. Those too could be some reward, lol... its even funny to me but, gambling has to come with a stake on both sides.
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

I don't know exactly if the predictions can be classifed as gambling if no money in involved in the process. Another site is https://www.superbru.com/ where one can predict and win money without having to invest. I would not call it a pure form of gambling.


As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.

If there is no money involved, then there is no risk in predicting the outcome of matches. For example check this thread Bitcointalk IPL Prediction Pool & Discussion 2023 where there is no money needed to take part in matches prediction but you will get the money if you finish in the top 3.
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.
Exactly mate and I couldn't agree any less with you but I think the very type of game the op was talking about wasn't having any risk especially with regards to the player and I don't think the player has any form of loss, I mean the player doesn't have anything entirely to lose and I think the superpicks is actually trying to achieve a firm of marketing.
I've always known gambling as a very risky business that has to do with losing of money and if one isn't scared if losing anything then it isn't gambling from my perspective.

Same thought too. I see gambling as a risky exercise though and it requires a commitment which can be in the form of cash or a collateral if anything happens otherwise. If one says he or she gambled then you should ask them what was their commitment to the process but if they did not commit anything for the game then know that it is not a gamble exercise but just a mere game for leisure because they had no commitment to the game and therefore have no fear of loosing anything at that stand.

Sometimes commitment to gambling can not only be money, it might involve other means like car, house, groceries etc to be put inline for the process. I say this because I have witnessed this here in my country on many occasions where a game is about to kick start and you see friends start betting with their wristwatches, cars and some tangible  assets for their preferred team.

With all these experience and knowledge about gambling and betting, I concluded that  gambling exercise involves something tangible to be used otherwise and if there are no commitment, then the exercise can not be termed a gamble.

From the word gambling literally which does simply implies that you are really that gambling on something for you to earn something with it, which in this case if there are some free bets been offered but you do

still have the chance to win up some prizes then it cant really be called gambling at all since you are really that having not to risk something for you to win something which is understandable.Just be that thankful that there are platforms or companies who do offer that kind of free bet on something getting a chance on earning some free money if you have done it right. In most cases this would be flocked out by lots of people, who doesnt really like on free things? specially if you do know that prize is considerable enough for you to consider out.

I dont know on whats the catch on this one because one thing that would be boggling up your mind is on how they would be making money out of giving out some free money?
This isnt how a  business do works on which it is really the opposite. Well, i couldnt raise up more questions and it would be that great if they would be continuing on offering
something like this but of course this would really be just on limited time i do believe.
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Actually the response to this Op case is still a hot topic of conversation because everyone has different opinions and thoughts, like now you think it's gambling because there are several risk triggers to gamble using real money.
For myself, betting for free to get real prizes from the results of this prediction can be considered open gambling as long as we consider this only a game that allows us to earn money from this guessing or prediction game.
But it will be gambling if the person is triggered by this prediction and bets using personal money to predict, then this is gambling.
So all responses return to their respective mindsets.

But there is already a written rule about what to consider a gambling or not.  So personal opinion does not matter on this since a fact is already written about what is considered to be a gambling. It is actually a known topic but many of us here thinks that they know better than the set of rules stated and established by the dictionary and legal documents about gambling.  It is written in all definition of gambling that it needs a stake, money or something of value to be put to risk in order to get a reward.  How can someone consider a game that has no stake in hand.  Without stake there is no risk, without risk it cannot be considered a gambling even though there is a prize ahead.  It can be called a game of chance if prediction is involved and there is no need for the player to stake money. 
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In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.

Yes you are right that mate we can not predict the future as we all know that there's a big possible that once we are not playing in casino before then a big chance that we can access in the future and also nowadays there are many influencers out there promoting a gambling sites. So we can not deny that if this kind of routine we have and everyday we saw a gambling sites then for sure out of curiosity we will try and deposit an amount.
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.
When it does not involves money, how can we say that it is risky or contains some atom of risks. When we gamble it always involves the risk of losing money unless it is a free spin or bonus for us to try our luck. Gambling could involves money, bet, material things or something that will cost us something. I know I have placed many free games in form of bonus and if I win I do take the money that is involved which is what makes it gambling because of the finance that is involved which is the reason many gamblers would always want to gamble.
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.
Exactly mate and I couldn't agree any less with you but I think the very type of game the op was talking about wasn't having any risk especially with regards to the player and I don't think the player has any form of loss, I mean the player doesn't have anything entirely to lose and I think the superpicks is actually trying to achieve a firm of marketing.
I've always known gambling as a very risky business that has to do with losing of money and if one isn't scared if losing anything then it isn't gambling from my perspective.

Same thought too. I see gambling as a risky exercise though and it requires a commitment which can be in the form of cash or a collateral if anything happens otherwise. If one says he or she gambled then you should ask them what was their commitment to the process but if they did not commit anything for the game then know that it is not a gamble exercise but just a mere game for leisure because they had no commitment to the game and therefore have no fear of loosing anything at that stand.

Sometimes commitment to gambling can not only be money, it might involve other means like car, house, groceries etc to be put inline for the process. I say this because I have witnessed this here in my country on many occasions where a game is about to kick start and you see friends start betting with their wristwatches, cars and some tangible  assets for their preferred team.

With all these experience and knowledge about gambling and betting, I concluded that  gambling exercise involves something tangible to be used otherwise and if there are no commitment, then the exercise can not be termed a gamble.
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As long as there's a risk involved and it is some kind of prediction, win or lose type of games, then I would always consider it as a form of gambling.
Sometimes even if it's not directly money as long as it have a value and it is being risk then yes it is gambling.
Exactly mate and I couldn't agree any less with you but I think the very type of game the op was talking about wasn't having any risk especially with regards to the player and I don't think the player has any form of loss, I mean the player doesn't have anything entirely to lose and I think the superpicks is actually trying to achieve a firm of marketing.
I've always known gambling as a very risky business that has to do with losing of money and if one isn't scared if losing anything then it isn't gambling from my perspective.
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