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Quote from: PX-Z on April 23, 2023, 06:21:43 AM

Never heard it or the site.

Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Yes, remember you can bet things and win things, or anything that has value based on your point of view or current demand of the things you think has value. Sure it's not money but that could be converted to money once sold, or whatever you do to that.

As long as we use something to bet on, it is gambling. We can bet on anything to get anything else and that includes gambling. Indeed it does not use money, but we are risking something to get something else.

We often see children betting to get something with their friends. But perhaps if he just predicts and doesn't do anything about what he predicts, it's not gambling because he's just guessing.

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Never heard it or the site.

Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

Yes, remember you can bet things and win things, or anything that has value based on your point of view or current demand of the things you think has value. Sure it's not money but that could be converted to money once sold, or whatever you do to that.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

According to Wikipedia, Gambling (also known as betting) is the wagering of something of value on a random event with the intent of winning something else of value. And then how can we define "Something of value"? "Something of value" can be defined as something that is useful and important, and likewise is our prediction very important and useful. Because according to "Superpick" it offers a system whereby anyone who could predict the correct scores of 6 football match will get a reward of 100 million naira ($136,930), of which I don't see why if someone could only predict and win such huge sum of money, why that can't be classified as gambling.

Because just as our regular casino requires money to execute gambling, Superpick only requires you to predict only 6 correct score of a football match to win ($136,930) weekly. And I bet you, it's very impossible to win such prediction.

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Gambling is gambling

You can gamble with Your Life.

You can gamble with your house or cars.

You can gamble with anything valuable.

You can gamble with your crypto assets.

You can gamble with anything you want, it doesn't have to be money, and not using money to gamble doesn't make it less of a gamble, Prediction is also a gamble.

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Quote from: Wiwo on April 22, 2023, 05:37:02 PM

I think we should try to separate gambling and gamling motivations because if you say researching about games or watching footbal matches is also gambling it then means participating in the signature that promotes a casino could also be seen as gambling too, and if that be the case I will say that we have had grave misconceptions on the subject of discussion right here.

It's possible to gamble without money but it is impossible to become a gambler in proxy, so get some straight in here.

Predicting which team will win in football match is gambling but if you watch the football match and supporting your favorite team, it's not gambling because your main intention is different with gambling.

Participating in the signature campaign that promote casino isn't gambling, but you're received money from gambling or people who're losses. Participating in a bounty without escrow can be said as gambling because there's no guarantee you will get your payment.

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Quote from: ralle14 on April 22, 2023, 04:57:59 PM

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on April 22, 2023, 03:12:31 PM

Sorry but it does not make sense to me. So are you saying that researching is also a gambling because it also improve your predicting skills? And also is watching people gambling can be also considered a gambling because it encourages you to gamble?

Obviously watching and researching alone doesn't mean you're gambling, when others get good at predicting it can mislead them into thinking they can apply it to gambling with ease. What i'm trying to point out in my earlier post is that it's close enough to be called gambling because they're almost identical as you go through a similar process, and for sportsbooks, it's one way for them to slowly lure in new players and possibly convert them to regular players in the future. Some gambling sites even do it in other games like poker as they regularly host freeroll tournaments.

I think we should try to separate gambling and gamling motivations because if you say researching about games or watching footbal matches is also gambling it then means participating in the signature that promotes a casino could also be seen as gambling too, and if that be the case I will say that we have had grave misconceptions on the subject of discussion right here.

It's possible to gamble without money but it is impossible to become a gambler in proxy, so get some straight in here.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on April 22, 2023, 05:04:51 PM

Quote from: ryzaadit on April 20, 2023, 02:23:54 PM

In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.

I agree with this- sometimes, gambling is not all about money. As long as there is a risk involved and you invested other than money, then it may be considered as "gambling" within this kind of definition.

Generally when we think about gambling, what comes into our mind is the wagering of money/resources in a casino, whether physical or online. But what most fail to realize that when you also decide to engage into something, you also gamble/wager your time in devoting something. It may not be considered as "gambling" in the traditional sense but it is considered as such within its definition.

But in its broadest sense you could also calculate opportunity cost as money. The scope of the discussion becomes somewhat narrow when we say that money is only involved when I hand over a 5 dollar bill. But if I gamble for a pair of shoes of mine and I lose, I also lost money. Or if I gamble and I owe someone help with some work when I lose, perhaps two hours of work, I could have used those two hours to earn money for myself or for whomever. Talking about money takes away a bit of substance from the interesting part of the question. Is it still gambling when I have essentially zero input and nothing to lose because I am not putting anything on the line? Time would be negligible when we say that you could just pick a number of a dice and then roll it. That costs you two seconds and we don't need to talk about opportunity costs. But if it's a very fierce competition where you have to do research for hours or even days and compete with others, there is essentially money involved, but in a more hidden way.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on April 20, 2023, 02:23:54 PM

In my opinion.

Everything you do, activity and other think on the casino are gambling. You're not gambling now, but there has some chance you are gonna to gambling soon in the future. The temptation are high, If you are stay on gambling sector.

So, I call it gambling. It's promotion, you get free money soon you're losing then are gonna triggered you to deposit.

I agree with this- sometimes, gambling is not all about money. As long as there is a risk involved and you invested other than money, then it may be considered as "gambling" within this kind of definition.

Generally when we think about gambling, what comes into our mind is the wagering of money/resources in a casino, whether physical or online. But what most fail to realize that when you also decide to engage into something, you also gamble/wager your time in devoting something. It may not be considered as "gambling" in the traditional sense but it is considered as such within its definition.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on April 22, 2023, 03:12:31 PM

Sorry but it does not make sense to me. So are you saying that researching is also a gambling because it also improve your predicting skills? And also is watching people gambling can be also considered a gambling because it encourages you to gamble?

Obviously watching and researching alone doesn't mean you're gambling, when others get good at predicting it can mislead them into thinking they can apply it to gambling with ease. What i'm trying to point out in my earlier post is that it's close enough to be called gambling because they're almost identical as you go through a similar process, and for sportsbooks, it's one way for them to slowly lure in new players and possibly convert them to regular players in the future. Some gambling sites even do it in other games like poker as they regularly host freeroll tournaments.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on April 22, 2023, 12:55:20 PM

Quote from: Haunebu on April 22, 2023, 11:28:44 AM

Have never heard of this site and it says 'Access denied' just like some of the posters above mentioned when I tried accessing it. There has to be a catch op since they aren't some sort of charity giving away free money.

Coming to your query, I wouldn't call it gambling since you aren't risking anything in order to win something. Such offers are usually scams though.

Maybe it can be said as a giveaway, because here we don't need to risk money, or it can also be called a lucky contest.
You are right, if there is such an offer, it is closer to a scam. The reason is, logically it is impossible for someone to continue to give gifts without us spending a penny. If it happened once or twice it might still make sense, but if it keeps happening, to be honest I don't think it's really real. But if there really is, why not. Grin

wait a minute, maybe a site provides a place to predict for free and get a real prize, but when the prediction is all right and deserves the money, maybe the customer is asked to deposit a few dollars to pay a fee. this is an old scam scheme. Cheesy

I'm still a little skeptical of things that look free but in the end have to pay to get our winnings. lol

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Quote from: klidex on April 22, 2023, 10:38:18 AM

Quote from: virasisog on April 22, 2023, 09:59:02 AM

It involves gambling but it's not as risky as wagering and staking but it still has to do with your whole gambling journey. You're just being rewarded through predictions but you wouldn't be needing to risk your funds so it isn't totally gambling but just contributing and participating in their event. However, it's the site's way to attract more players because it will trigger curiosity and interest in gamblers.

Not too risky? as ralle14 said that it is risky to trigger people to try betting using real money when predicting with free money the results are always right and that person realizes that he has the potential to bet with his own money and get big results.
Like the first time I gambled because I played poker gambling in an application using free money and finally I was triggered to try gambling using my own money.
But that's just my own opinion.

You are correct. This is why there are promotions in each casinos (free bets, faucets and etc... this is to excite the player and eventually bet on their own money. If you are wiser than them, you will not deposit your money because you already know where it will lead but I don't think I can resist it (to be a free loader).

I always feel guilty so I just deposit small amounts rarely as a way of showing support to the casino. Other than what we said earlier, casinos need to give tiny amounts of free money because they will lose if they will give higher amounts and the whole idea of opening a gambling business will never make sense anymore.

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Quote from: ralle14 on April 22, 2023, 09:28:05 AM

Somehow, yes i'd say it still falls under gambling since helps you improve your predicting skills which is what you'll need when you start gambling, and that could even possibly encourage or trigger you to gamble with money in the future.

Sorry but it does not make sense to me. So are you saying that researching is also a gambling because it also improve your predicting skills? And also is watching people gambling can be also considered a gambling because it encourages you to gamble?

Quote from: ralle14 on April 22, 2023, 09:28:05 AM

I've seen a similar promotion done by other sportsbooks as well so that made it easier for me to include it as gambling.

I think the major factor to include an activity as a gambling is the presence of stake and not because of similar promotion done by other sportsbook.

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Quote from: Haunebu on April 22, 2023, 11:28:44 AM

Have never heard of this site and it says 'Access denied' just like some of the posters above mentioned when I tried accessing it. There has to be a catch op since they aren't some sort of charity giving away free money.

Coming to your query, I wouldn't call it gambling since you aren't risking anything in order to win something. Such offers are usually scams though.

Maybe it can be said as a giveaway, because here we don't need to risk money, or it can also be called a lucky contest.

I agree, it is more logical to say that it is a giveaway than saying it is a gambling when there is no need to wager any amount of money to put on stake.

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on April 22, 2023, 12:55:20 PM

You are right, if there is such an offer, it is closer to a scam. The reason is, logically it is impossible for someone to continue to give gifts without us spending a penny. If it happened once or twice it might still make sense, but if it keeps happening, to be honest I don't think it's really real. But if there really is, why not. Grin

I think it depends, if the promotion give the platform players where they earn profit from losses, then they can maintain their giveaway. Just like how other gambling platform continuously giving airdrops/rain or giveaway codes.

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Quote from: Haunebu on April 22, 2023, 11:28:44 AM

Have never heard of this site and it says 'Access denied' just like some of the posters above mentioned when I tried accessing it. There has to be a catch op since they aren't some sort of charity giving away free money.

Coming to your query, I wouldn't call it gambling since you aren't risking anything in order to win something. Such offers are usually scams though.

Maybe it can be said as a giveaway, because here we don't need to risk money, or it can also be called a lucky contest.
You are right, if there is such an offer, it is closer to a scam. The reason is, logically it is impossible for someone to continue to give gifts without us spending a penny. If it happened once or twice it might still make sense, but if it keeps happening, to be honest I don't think it's really real. But if there really is, why not. Grin

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The mind make "performance," dream Or funtionatily asks questions that are it is a constant commitment to know things...

That question needs an answer OP.

On the other hand, this site collects privileged information and sells it by expanding the reference framework, bets.

Connsequently there are unsuspecting people can begin to fall into a sector that they do not dominate because they believe that they do not bet or invest money.

Call it playmoney... Casinos offer that.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

If you get money it is gambling i think. Even if you don`t spend your money. But when you don`t risk your money, you feel other emotions. Without risk it is to easy to bet but the same time it is dull enough, when you lose nothing. I make sometimes such predictions for free - it really dull without risk and it doesn`t matter shall i get money for it or not.

When you get used to gambling everything is exciting when it involves to betting because you wont get challenged when there are no betting takes place. Even just watching a fight like boxing it is not that exciting like without you betting on the fighter. I think this is the reason why people got addicted to it meaning they wont enjoy a game without gambling

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Have never heard of this site and it says 'Access denied' just like some of the posters above mentioned when I tried accessing it. There has to be a catch op since they aren't some sort of charity giving away free money.

Coming to your query, I wouldn't call it gambling since you aren't risking anything in order to win something. Such offers are usually scams though.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 22, 2023, 09:54:29 AM

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

You can’t properly tell it or term it as “Gambling”, as in gambling, you have to take risk and bet with your own money. In gambling there are equal possibilities to win as well as lose and that too money that is in risk. But here as you are saying, you can pick a bet for free or make predictions for free and then can win money. This can be said as contest, or basic lottery or raffle without entry fees. I haven’t personally tested the site, so don’t know what their motive of giving away free money. Willing to hear other people’s opinion on this.

Me too has never heard the site before, not until today and might be researching on it later. Well, maybe what the site’s offer is not really gambling, it’s more like just a guessing game and you make rewards after you guess it right. While in gambling, it always involves money wagering, since you have to bet and wager a minimum amount and expect a win or lose in the end. Anything that does not involves money may not be considered gambling in the first place.

Sanitough just a point to note, not all gambling involve money of course a newly registered account may qualify for some welcome bonuses and if the player is lucky there will be big wins and from that, the player can continue playing, from there to win more or lose to the house, it good enough that we have welcomed bonuses so the gambler must not likely have to wait till deposit before playing some games.
But the intention to gamble is for winning and anything outside that I can say count me out, but likely not all gambling requires deposits.

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Quote from: Rruchi man on April 20, 2023, 02:17:02 PM

Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?

If you get money it is gambling i think. Even if you don`t spend your money. But when you don`t risk your money, you feel other emotions. Without risk it is to easy to bet but the same time it is dull enough, when you lose nothing. I make sometimes such predictions for free - it really dull without risk and it doesn`t matter shall i get money for it or not.

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Quote from: DaNNy001 on April 21, 2023, 06:52:31 AM

This whole predicting a possible outcome on games to win some kind of rewards, either money or some gadgets is a marketing strategy used by many casino to actually lure their customers to predict the games for free and maybe eventually putting their money in their next time prediction and its very effective in Africa because most people just get interested by these kinds of free offers but if am to classify this act I wouldn't called it gambling but a promo on gambling.

It's clearly not gambling if the app or game allows you to play fantasy sports without putting in any money. It will obviously be gambling if they let you access a few features for free and then ask for money in order to use the other features, but since OP didn't mention anything like that, I don't think that is the case with it.

A casino that offers free bets is a very different thing, you are right that some casinos do that to promote their services but this doesn't sound like that to me, and casinos wouldn't allow you to withdraw any money in my opinion even if you win from the free bets.

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Gambling can come in many forms. If something you do involves risking and has a probability of winning or losing, then yes it's still considered as gambling. Otherwise, it's just a mere practicing of strategy so that in the actual event, you'll get the gist of how it plays and you'll be more confident to do the next steps in order to make a win.

Gambling doesn't only involve money per se. You can make a bet and use other assets as a your stake depending of course on the terms agreed upon by the other gamblers or the house itself if it will allow such. Although mostly, these kind of bets do not occur in a formal and established casino, and rather happen with informal agreement.

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