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Quote from: Strongkored on January 05, 2025, 02:58:22 AM

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Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Not everyone can be an entrepreneur because everyone's mentality is different, and also not everyone has easy access to funding that is needed to become an entrepreneur, so there will always be people who can only be employees and that does not mean they are slaves.
The tought that employees are slaves will damage your work ethic, so you cannot become a productive employee, there are also employees who can become successful people, even though their wealth is not the same as an entrepreneur but their assets are enough to live and can also be inherited by their descendants.

Such thoughts should never interfere with a person's working ethics unless the person is already prepared to leave the work. Like you already said, everyone is not made to be and entrepreneur and I have said it before now that some persons do not even have the goal to become their own boss in life, some persons just want to graduate from the university and get a good paying job to be able to get married, give birth and train their children. That's just the kind of lifestyle some persons want. Also, even if you want to start a business, you will need some funding which could make you get a job to be able to raise the funds you need.

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Quote from: Strongkored on January 05, 2025, 02:58:22 AM

Not everyone can be an entrepreneur because everyone's mentality is different, and also not everyone has easy access to funding that is needed to become an entrepreneur, so there will always be people who can only be employees and that does not mean they are slaves.
The tought that employees are slaves will damage your work ethic, so you cannot become a productive employee, there are also employees who can become successful people, even though their wealth is not the same as an entrepreneur but their assets are enough to live and can also be inherited by their descendants.

what you said is right. it is impossible for everyone to become an entrepreneur, because not everyone is born with the ability and fortune like an entrepreneur, there are some who are indeed more suited as workers and one does not need to feel inferior about it. each of us has our own role, some are indeed workers or entrepreneurs. if there are people who say that workers are like slaves, just let them be, they are mostly just naive people who only know how to discourage people.

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I don't see anything wrong with being an employee when you're young. It's a great way to gain a variety of knowledge, skills, and abilities, and develop self-discipline.

There is an opinion that the stock and cryptocurrency markets are not suitable for creating initial capital (it needs to be created in a different way, in particular, by earning money as an employee).

The stock and cryptocurrency markets are a great tool for preserving and increasing initial capital. At the same time, in many professions, the career peak occurs at the age of 40, after reaching this age, the career begins to slow down.

This is a great time to start your own business or work as an outside consultant. Also, we must not forget about investing - it is investing that can give a person freedom and independence.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Not everyone can be an entrepreneur because everyone's mentality is different, and also not everyone has easy access to funding that is needed to become an entrepreneur, so there will always be people who can only be employees and that does not mean they are slaves.
The tought that employees are slaves will damage your work ethic, so you cannot become a productive employee, there are also employees who can become successful people, even though their wealth is not the same as an entrepreneur but their assets are enough to live and can also be inherited by their descendants.

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In my perspective I see workers as slave to there employers and salary peels for you to forget your dream and purpose in life why :check the record of world richest man and women non of them work for anybody rather people work for them. What you must understand is that acquiring wealth and fortunes through salary is almost impossible, but it is very possible to get all that by working for your self no matter how small it is definitely it most grow.
Therefore, my advice to younger generations, try and work for yourself, have the mindset that salary can only sustain you for some time, while profits (business) can earn you life time fortunes and richest. Thank you

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Some people termed the workers as slaves and looked down upon them in the society. Although some of those people cannot play any important role for society and country. But they never think that every country is progressing economically because of workers. Because quality products are being made due to the hard work and skill of the workers.
On the other hand, if everyone wants to be the boss without any work experience, then it will be seen that no organization will be able to manage properly. And if one of the workers becomes a boss through his work and experience, then he has the ability to manage any type of organization properly. Because the workers know where and how to work and how to collect work from the workers to make the organization economically profitable as quickly as possible.
On the other hand, if workers work only for wages, quality products will never be produced. Workers work for the benefit of the country and its people. However, the wage requirement is immense to meet the basic needs of the workers.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

All I want to say is that when people tells you how they were able to set up their own company, there is usually more to the story because how much was he going to earn in central bank legitimately before a company can be set down, he has other things to settle while working in the central bank and definitely not all money can be save up and the requirements to setup a micro finance bank is not a child play money, he definitely has funding to make that succeed and of course connection to pass the papers around.

Everyone has a dream but not everyone get the support. Alot of people that are working to earn salary don't wish to live that way, atleast they see how rich men and business men are financial okay but anytime they want to try it out, the don't have the support to actualize their dream to reality and they don't have the connections to make things easy on their end.

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a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Anyone that is not forced to work is not a slave even if the person is not paid. People are motivated by the money that is paid them and that is not slavery.

Also slaves are property of their master/owner. A boss of a company is nobody's owner.

You are right judging from another angle. But then have you thought of what is means depriving one of their comfort, time and space. I know you’re say they’re being paid. Yes that because they need the money to earn a living. Yet it doesn’t change that it’s a modern day slavering, because you have to live and act in another person’s rules and instructions. So isn’t obvious then?

Serving as an employee is something optional, you were never dragged or forcefully placed in that position to work under someone. In most cases whereby the subject can be slightly related in terms of slavery and an employee, probably when the boss begins taken advantage of knowing how difficult it will be to get another job but you still have what it takes to quit as soon the environment does not look conducive. I would not call this era of an employee as slavery, we all need someone to work under us and this is what keeps the economy moving, not everyone can be the actual boss. Imagine going to an expensive restaurant, who should prepare the food, who serves and who take care of dishes, all this can not be controlled by a single individual, which calls for an extra hand to make the job easier and more efficient.

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If we look at the past ancient history, literally speaking, worker means slave, the terms have just been changed. This is if you look up the meaning in the dictionary. But since we are in modern times, we have become workers or employees, which means you serve your master.

Now, there is nothing wrong with being a worker, and not all people want to be a worker for life; there are others who do it as a way to get what they want to happen in their lives, like saving money to invest in a business that they want to do by contributing to their work or as a worker in a company or in others so that they can provide for their family or loved ones.

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In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

If you weren't born in a rich family, then you aren't your own boss. You need to achieve that. For a while, you'll have to work for others but over time you should try to make others work for you and then you'll become your own boss.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

Workers are actually slaves. When you work, the salary that you receive is usually mostly enough for rent and food, besides that you are left with almost nothing. Is that different from being a slave? I think, no. But everyone should try to overcome that and step up in life. Your example of that guy who started as a tech guy and become a CEO of a bank and then the owner of the company, is a good example of how a man should develop from nothing to everything.

Even some persons born into a rich family, yet they still need to work until they show themselves worthy before they can be allowed to become their own boss. Normally i don't see working for someone to be any kind of slavery because the employees was not force by the company to work for them. It was the person that took the decision on their own to submit application and resume, so that they can work for the company and the person still has the freedom to leave (resign) when ever they want.

As simple as that on which if they dont like or having some issues with their work then they do really just that simply quit or resigned if they are really that thinking that they are slaves.
Its true that they havent been forced to work since they are the ones who do look for job because we do know that being jobless is really that had specially into this world on which economic problems or issues becoming even more worst as years passing by. So it will really be that a normal approach to have that you will be finding out some jobs and doesnt matter on what it would be as long you do able to survive or having that salary then you wont really be minding much whether you do act as a slave or not. What matter or important the most is on how you would be able to put up something into your stomach and will be able to survive on day to day basis. We do know that getting or landing up on a job is hard due to tons of competition to those who do also look up for other opportunities. When it comes into this aspect on which in speaking or talking about progress or having those improvement into your job then its up to a certain individual because there are those who are just that contented on what they do have.

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The truth is, if everyone becomes bosses; who will do the job? people can still work for someone while they have their own business or company. I have actually met a man in a construction company working as a crane operator while he owns his own company that is being managed by his own brother. I don't completely agree that workers are slaves because they are actually being paid for their services despite the fact that a lot of them goes with lesser salaries or payments. The only thing i can say is that their working time should be reduced such that they don't have to labour too much before they get their pay.

to be honest, the only one that can make that happen (i.e reducing working hour) is the government itself, if a company decides to do that, they might lose the potential earning and productivity, causing them to fall behind the competitors.
it's such a difficult business decision to make work-life balance works, because majority of the company are just try to compete in the market and they need to do better in term of quality and quantity making work hour reduction a problem.

but if government can really enfroce a rule with fixed working hour, imposed towards all the company, then all the company will have the same opportunity and there will be no such thing as long working hour and company falling behind without it.

There would have to be conditions to that though. Imagine a small company maybe
with 3 or 4 employees and they all are offered a 4 day week, it could be quite difficult
for everyone to cover the work that wont be done for those 3 or 4 extra days in the week.
Much easier for a company with greater staff numbers.

On the thread title, depending on the job and conditions it can seem like slavery.
There are people who I work with who absolutely love their jobs, Me I work part
time because life is too short to be chained to a desk on the 9 to 5

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on November 02, 2024, 07:50:12 AM

Even some persons born into a rich family, yet they still need to work until they show themselves worthy before they can be allowed to become their own boss. Normally i don't see working for someone to be any kind of slavery because the employees was not force by the company to work for them. It was the person that took the decision on their own to submit application and resume, so that they can work for the company and the person still has the freedom to leave (resign) when ever they want.

Yes that's right because of their own desire to work in the company and they volunteer to get a salary to meet their needs, even so, it is far from slavery because everyone must work in their respective fields because they have ideals and hopes for the future that they want to achieve.

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Quote from: Synchronice on November 01, 2024, 03:23:59 PM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

If you weren't born in a rich family, then you aren't your own boss. You need to achieve that. For a while, you'll have to work for others but over time you should try to make others work for you and then you'll become your own boss.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

Workers are actually slaves. When you work, the salary that you receive is usually mostly enough for rent and food, besides that you are left with almost nothing. Is that different from being a slave? I think, no. But everyone should try to overcome that and step up in life. Your example of that guy who started as a tech guy and become a CEO of a bank and then the owner of the company, is a good example of how a man should develop from nothing to everything.

Even some persons born into a rich family, yet they still need to work until they show themselves worthy before they can be allowed to become their own boss. Normally i don't see working for someone to be any kind of slavery because the employees was not force by the company to work for them. It was the person that took the decision on their own to submit application and resume, so that they can work for the company and the person still has the freedom to leave (resign) when ever they want.

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Quote from: MrEazyLife on November 02, 2024, 03:42:16 AM

You are right judging from another angle. But then have you thought of what is means depriving one of their comfort, time and space. I know you’re say they’re being paid. Yes that because they need the money to earn a living. Yet it doesn’t change that it’s a modern day slavering, because you have to live and act in another person’s rules and instructions. So isn’t obvious then?

The person can decide not to work for anyone. Just like I have posted before, they are not forced to do anything. Slavery means you are enforcing people to do something, even if it is not what they want. If a working do not like what his boss is doing, he can quit the job. If he has nothing to do, he can go to his father village to start farming just like the old era, to avoid what he thinks is modern slavery but which is not modern slavery.

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Quote from: itorai on November 01, 2024, 07:30:44 PM

The company owner and the workers cannot be separated from each other, therefore the company owner must be wise in managing the work, do not consider them slaves and there must be improvements in the salaries and welfare of the workers, in fact they will not be successful if the workers are not with them.

Company owners who are wise enough will not consider their workers as slaves because they will always be considered as friends in advancing their own business. But if you still see company owners who consider their workers as slaves because they are in subordinate positions, the company will be very slow to make progress because not all workers can always stick with it to work in the long term. Because workers are like the backbone of the company who will continue to carry out every job in it, so they deserve to be considered as friends by the company owner.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on September 02, 2024, 08:46:02 AM

Who are slaves?

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a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Anyone that is not forced to work is not a slave even if the person is not paid. People are motivated by the money that is paid them and that is not slavery.

Also slaves are property of their master/owner. A boss of a company is nobody's owner.

You are right judging from another angle. But then have you thought of what is means depriving one of their comfort, time and space. I know you’re say they’re being paid. Yes that because they need the money to earn a living. Yet it doesn’t change that it’s a modern day slavering, because you have to live and act in another person’s rules and instructions. So isn’t obvious then?

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The truth is, if everyone becomes bosses; who will do the job? people can still work for someone while they have their own business or company. I have actually met a man in a construction company working as a crane operator while he owns his own company that is being managed by his own brother. I don't completely agree that workers are slaves because they are actually being paid for their services despite the fact that a lot of them goes with lesser salaries or payments. The only thing i can say is that their working time should be reduced such that they don't have to labour too much before they get their pay.

to be honest, the only one that can make that happen (i.e reducing working hour) is the government itself, if a company decides to do that, they might lose the potential earning and productivity, causing them to fall behind the competitors.
it's such a difficult business decision to make work-life balance works, because majority of the company are just try to compete in the market and they need to do better in term of quality and quantity making work hour reduction a problem.

but if government can really enfroce a rule with fixed working hour, imposed towards all the company, then all the company will have the same opportunity and there will be no such thing as long working hour and company falling behind without it.

You do actually have a point or something which is really that indeed true but we do know that not all government does really love on stirring up those private businesses or companies that really having that kind of giving out that revenue or whatever it would be on what the systems that they are running into. Yes, there might be some regulations or set of rules being imposed but having those overtime work and its compensation would really be that definitely be depending on a certain company. There are companeis which does really impose strict no overtimes and there are ones who do have that overtime pay on which i would say that it isnt really that bad either. It would really be just that optional for someone to take up such more work to have that more salary that they could really be able to get. For those companies who does really have that overtime
but it does pay then its good as a employee but if it turned out that you are in a company who doesnt compensate or having that kind of extra pay for extra hours of work then you do always have the option on looking for something else if you cant be able to deal up with this kind of situation.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on November 01, 2024, 03:56:52 PM

The truth is, if everyone becomes bosses; who will do the job? people can still work for someone while they have their own business or company. I have actually met a man in a construction company working as a crane operator while he owns his own company that is being managed by his own brother. I don't completely agree that workers are slaves because they are actually being paid for their services despite the fact that a lot of them goes with lesser salaries or payments. The only thing i can say is that their working time should be reduced such that they don't have to labour too much before they get their pay.

to be honest, the only one that can make that happen (i.e reducing working hour) is the government itself, if a company decides to do that, they might lose the potential earning and productivity, causing them to fall behind the competitors.
it's such a difficult business decision to make work-life balance works, because majority of the company are just try to compete in the market and they need to do better in term of quality and quantity making work hour reduction a problem.

but if government can really enfroce a rule with fixed working hour, imposed towards all the company, then all the company will have the same opportunity and there will be no such thing as long working hour and company falling behind without it.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

The company owner and the workers cannot be separated from each other, therefore the company owner must be wise in managing the work, do not consider them slaves and there must be improvements in the salaries and welfare of the workers, in fact they will not be successful if the workers are not with them.

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Quote from: Cryptoprincess101 on November 01, 2024, 03:56:52 PM

The truth is, if everyone becomes bosses; who will do the job? people can still work for someone while they have their own business or company. I have actually met a man in a construction company working as a crane operator while he owns his own company that is being managed by his own brother. I don't completely agree that workers are slaves because they are actually being paid for their services despite the fact that a lot of them goes with lesser salaries or payments. The only thing i can say is that their working time should be reduced such that they don't have to labour too much before they get their pay.

Saying workers as slaves seems too cruel, because even though as you said it is true that they are willing to work for low wages, of course it is because they already have services that help a company. In addition, I also have a little objection to saying that workers are slaves, because they will actually definitely look for work to survive or for their own survival if people who don't want to work are lazy people.

Also if workers are said to be slaves, what about those who are reluctant or lazy to find work? Are they not slaves?
People who have common sense definitely want to have a job with the difficulty of finding a job that suits their wishes, sometimes accepting the available job is something that must be done even with a minimal salary, this is because we ourselves need money to survive, right? so I don't think it's right to say that workers are slaves.

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