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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

I won't actually say that workers are slaves. There are people who work with others just to make their own dreams come true. Everyone cannot be a CEO. There are people who enjoys working under others people's leadership, it is their choice to work there, nobody forced them. Slaves are people that are compelled to do things out of their own will. Mean while Some people work for others just to raise funds and establish themselves later in life. For the economy to keep growing, people will definitely have have to work under others people's leadership and companies. If we all established our companies and businesses at some point we will be stagnated, because we can't fill all the roles ourselves, we will still need people to work with us. If we see or workers as slaves we won't treat them nice. We should see our workers as people who are part of the vision in making our dreams become reality.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

We do need a work for us to live and considering that not all people born with having a silver spoon or simply having a rich family then we would really be needing to work hard our ass off for us to survive.
We are living on a world on which you cant be able to live or survive on day to day if you dont have the money on which simply means that money could be obtained through having a work on which of course there would really be other path or options which is on having investment or business but only a few could really be able to touch up these things and this is something that not everyone could really be able to touch or involved with it.
This is why its somehow that judgmental for us to say that people are considered to be slaves because not one really likes to live on this one but the sad reality or fact of this life then it doesnt really give out any choice for us to choose but rather we would be sticking into things on which we do know on where we do able to survive and there's no doubt that people will be engaging with it.

It is really that hard on having no work and even having a degree doesnt really give out an assurance that you could land up a work after you had graduated in college on which this simply means that
you would really be still need to compete with other people to land a job because you do know deep inside that if you couldnt have a work then you would really be ending up on miserable in terms of
way or standard of living. Just like been said that there's no choice that we could have and thats why we just simply accept on dealing with it.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on September 02, 2024, 08:46:02 AM

Who are slaves?

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a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Anyone that is not forced to work is not a slave even if the person is not paid. People are motivated by the money that is paid them and that is not slavery.

Also slaves are property of their master/owner. A boss of a company is nobody's owner.

As long as you are not harassed in your working place, then you can't call it slavery. Slaves are only those who work and still get punished, but if you are getting good compensation due to hard work done, then that is pure job, and does not make any apprehension that you are a slave of your own boss. You work on your own with the help of your boss, that's more of guidance and direction indeed.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

There is one thing that we need to know about being an employee or an owner. Both of them are slaves that work for money because no matter what, they will stress themselves out in order for them to get paid. An owner will work to get the money to pay his staff, while staff will work to get paid. So it is simply only those that make money to work for them. This means that even without working, they will still get their money, and before you can achieve that, you will have to be hard-working for at least some years or through inheritance.

So if he encourages him not to work for anyone but to establish his own business, then who will work for him? Because everyone will also decide to create their own business, then no one will work for anyone, so that is not making sense.

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This is called a career. A student advertises himself as a young and very promising specialist ready to show his level of knowledge as well as to benefit the enterprise. No one will immediately declare himself for the position of CEO without demonstrating his abilities. As a career grows, opportunities for better earnings appear, which can be used to create his own business. In such ways, we know thousands of people who have gone from clerk to boss. However, one can also notice that not everyone can grow or is content with what they have. But I do not agree with the definition of "slaves," since each person has his path and his reasons for being an employee or a boss.

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It would be much easier to be happy if people weren't driven by the excessive desires created by this consumer society.

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Gone are the days where workers have been treated like slaves. We are already in the new generation where having a work is a trend, without a job, you will be a lifeless person because you can't afford providing yourself your wants and your needs.

This time, companies do need to have trusted workers because they can be an asset to the growth of the company, that's why some workers even demand the amount of their salary due to how demand their work is.

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Quote from: avp2306 on September 04, 2024, 06:05:24 AM

It became famous word since people feel that they don't have any option in life but to work especially that they have obligation to fulfill. But I guess that's not the correct word to use since without those incorporators for sure that many people will struggle to earn money since for sure that there's less available job to get in their places. So what really think is we should acknowledge those companies that give peoples job since they also help people to earn a living and survive with their daily needs. Although there are times that workers got exploited but it still up for the person if they want to enhance their selves and be skilled enough to find good alternatives which can give them another good source of income to live a better life.

Also not everyone is capable to create a job for their selves since not everyone is willing to take a risk to get out on their comfort zone that's why this situation happen and we still need to be glad that there are jobs that available to take where we have assurance to get money since it somehow help people a lot in any aspect.

Just because you are working, doesn't mean that you are a slave, if people keep using that word then they are diminishing the value of it. Slaves were a real thing, I am sure there must be some still left in some parts of the world, but it's mostly historical at this point.

Even sweatshops are close to slavery, you staying at some office, looking at your computer, chatting with your friends, calling it slavery is not ok at all, it's not slavery, it's just a job. That's how we understand Z generation is having their vocabulary taking over the world, they dislike working so much that they call working a slave job, it's something we have been doing for thousands of years, even free folk during slavery ended up working, it's not a new thing.

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Quote from: barisbilgili on September 04, 2024, 12:49:06 AM

Quote from: Accardo on September 03, 2024, 10:34:03 PM

I'm in support of other responses saying that it's inadmissible to use the word "slavery" to qualify modern age employees. The labor market is arranged in stages; people climb their way to the top. Most bosses today worked as employees in the past. They went through thick and thin to hit the upper echelon of their industry.

However, in the corporate world there is this famous piece...the resignation letter. It's meant for employees who think they're not getting enough dignity, respect, pay, comfortability, and also those who want a change of environment. The letter of resignation wipes off the notion of calling employees "slaves", because it signifies the freedom to quit.

Although it sounds unpleasant, the language is true, I initially did not like the word "slave" but finally I realized when we are tied to everything that is given but from whatever it is, it all comes back to this life that humans must work to be able to fulfill all their needs in life so I think no matter what the terms of all that are as long as humans are able to fulfill all their needs and desires then they must do anything
And the future that can be better than what is being done now is a harder work because not everything can be like that.

It became famous word since people feel that they don't have any option in life but to work especially that they have obligation to fulfill. But I guess that's not the correct word to use since without those incorporators for sure that many people will struggle to earn money since for sure that there's less available job to get in their places. So what really think is we should acknowledge those companies that give peoples job since they also help people to earn a living and survive with their daily needs. Although there are times that workers got exploited but it still up for the person if they want to enhance their selves and be skilled enough to find good alternatives which can give them another good source of income to live a better life.

Also not everyone is capable to create a job for their selves since not everyone is willing to take a risk to get out on their comfort zone that's why this situation happen and we still need to be glad that there are jobs that available to take where we have assurance to get money since it somehow help people a lot in any aspect.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on September 03, 2024, 11:06:22 PM

I do not believe that there are companies that enslave their workers, because in reality many people need jobs, they will do any job to get money to meet their needs. And besides that after they get a job, they work in the part of the company that is needed, where there are already rules that must be obeyed, and the job is indeed the job that must be done so that the company gets good results from that part of the job and we will get money or salary which in my opinion is not slavery. And in my opinion being a slave to a company or working in a company is better than begging at a red light or busking in the middle of a market from house to house and so on which are currently getting busier because it is getting harder to get a job just to get money to eat. And in my opinion working in a company is much better than begging and the like, and everything that happens in this world will definitely complement each other, there is good and bad, there is smart and stupid and there is rich and poor.

What is a slave? We read in the textbooks as children that a servant or servant bought with money is meant as a slave i.e. a person who is bought as a slave will have complete freedom in the hands of the owner.

But working for a company does not mean that we are slaves or indentured servants of that company. We rush to find work to supplement our subsistence income or to earn money for a comfortable lifestyle. Due to which we have to work in any job or any company. Every country in the world has rules in different work fields and companies, as employees there we have to follow those rules. We are bound to abide by that company's rules for monthly payments and act accordingly. For those who consider it slavery, my advice is to become an entrepreneur or build your own business so you don't have to do what others say.

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Quote from: Accardo on September 03, 2024, 10:34:03 PM

I'm in support of other responses saying that it's inadmissible to use the word "slavery" to qualify modern age employees. The labor market is arranged in stages; people climb their way to the top. Most bosses today worked as employees in the past. They went through thick and thin to hit the upper echelon of their industry.

However, in the corporate world there is this famous piece...the resignation letter. It's meant for employees who think they're not getting enough dignity, respect, pay, comfortability, and also those who want a change of environment. The letter of resignation wipes off the notion of calling employees "slaves", because it signifies the freedom to quit.

Although it sounds unpleasant, the language is true, I initially did not like the word "slave" but finally I realized when we are tied to everything that is given but from whatever it is, it all comes back to this life that humans must work to be able to fulfill all their needs in life so I think no matter what the terms of all that are as long as humans are able to fulfill all their needs and desires then they must do anything
And the future that can be better than what is being done now is a harder work because not everything can be like that.

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Quote from: Accardo on September 03, 2024, 10:34:03 PM

I'm in support of other responses saying that it's inadmissible to use the word "slavery" to qualify modern age employees. The labor market is arranged in stages; people climb their way to the top. Most bosses today worked as employees in the past. They went through thick and thin to hit the upper echelon of their industry.

It's true bosses today were start their career from employees in the past, but in the past they only need to fight against 100 people, but today the current employees need to fight against 10,000 people.

The human population is only double since 1974, but there are so many people get layoff, recession, bankruptcy, increase of working age people etc which make there are so many unemployment and lack of jobs.

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However, in the corporate world there is this famous piece...the resignation letter. It's meant for employees who think they're not getting enough dignity, respect, pay, comfortability, and also those who want a change of environment. The letter of resignation wipes off the notion of calling employees "slaves", because it signifies the freedom to quit.

It's true they can resign, unfortunately there are not many jobs opened and mostly that still open may likely worse than the previous jobs.

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I do not believe that there are companies that enslave their workers, because in reality many people need jobs, they will do any job to get money to meet their needs. And besides that after they get a job, they work in the part of the company that is needed, where there are already rules that must be obeyed, and the job is indeed the job that must be done so that the company gets good results from that part of the job and we will get money or salary which in my opinion is not slavery. And in my opinion being a slave to a company or working in a company is better than begging at a red light or busking in the middle of a market from house to house and so on which are currently getting busier because it is getting harder to get a job just to get money to eat. And in my opinion working in a company is much better than begging and the like, and everything that happens in this world will definitely complement each other, there is good and bad, there is smart and stupid and there is rich and poor.

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I'm in support of other responses saying that it's inadmissible to use the word "slavery" to qualify modern age employees. The labor market is arranged in stages; people climb their way to the top. Most bosses today worked as employees in the past. They went through thick and thin to hit the upper echelon of their industry.

However, in the corporate world there is this famous piece...the resignation letter. It's meant for employees who think they're not getting enough dignity, respect, pay, comfortability, and also those who want a change of environment. The letter of resignation wipes off the notion of calling employees "slaves", because it signifies the freedom to quit.

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fairly speaking, even without work, to get food you gonna hunt or forage, but now you just need to work and get paid to get food, this mean current society give people their own role accordingly and just because you only get paid from working doesn't mean you are slave Grin

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you are free to live in the forest, hunt and forage your food, also building whatever technology you're currently using from scratch, but you definitely can't do that because things are too complex to be built by one person, that's why current society structure is like this.

nothing wrong with current society in my opinion, but certainly there's need polishing in certain sector like the housing market bubble and so on.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on September 02, 2024, 08:46:02 AM

Who are slaves?

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a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Anyone that is not forced to work is not a slave even if the person is not paid. People are motivated by the money that is paid them and that is not slavery.

Also slaves are property of their master/owner. A boss of a company is nobody's owner.

There's actually no slaves in there. It's just plain working that is aiming a good compensation after that. If you don't work, you won't gain an income as well. So you have to consistently work on a certain job, whether it's a big or small company, at least you need to follow what your boss has ask you to do not because you're a slave but because following rules and not breaking it is your obligation as a worker that gets paid after.

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Quote from: DrBeer on September 03, 2024, 11:09:00 AM

A simple question to those who think work is slavery and unfair process, answer the question: why don't you create your own business, and not just give away money to people who do not want to bring profit to your business and you, but at least just once a month come to you and get money from you ?

That will be the most interesting thing in this discussion !

Exactly the question I had want to ask him if I was oportuned to join that conversation that day, but unfortunately, that was not why I was there, I was there for a more serious business. I have read some other comments and I actually agree with someone that said that people are not forced to work, if anyone doesn't want to work because they feel they are being enslaved in the work, then the person should not work. Like I already said in the OP, people can not be their own boss when they don't have money to start their own business or company, the person must still work to raise capital for his or her business.

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That is right and a reality that happens in many countries. Many owner will not care with their employees especially if that company have many workers that have different time work. Employee can feels that they are slaves in their company because their boss asks them to gives a big effort to their work but their boss do not gives a bonuses to them. Many people work and accept a job under duress because they need income so that makes them can not gives a big effort to their work or company. Besides that, not many employee have a good experience with their job and if they get it, they are lucky working in that company so they can give their effort to develop their company bigger. Between worker and owner must have bond so all people in that company can work together and gives their best performance for the company. It is about how they can manage their relation and realizes that their work is not one man show but all employee needs to work together.

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Quote from: DrBeer on September 03, 2024, 11:09:00 AM

A simple question to those who think work is slavery and unfair process, answer the question: why don't you create your own business, and not just give away money to people who do not want to bring profit to your business and you, but at least just once a month come to you and get money from you ?

That will be the most interesting thing in this discussion !

We know that some companies exploit workers and treat them like modern slaves. You see the CEOs living in luxury while workers are paid peanuts. But that's not the case in other firms. Some workers are paid handsomely and they earn more than some business owners. For businesses to survive they also need to cut costs which might include poor remuneration. In these current economic conditions, running a business is very difficult so we need to praise some business owners that are still keeping workers.

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A simple question to those who think work is slavery and unfair process, answer the question: why don't you create your own business, and not just give away money to people who do not want to bring profit to your business and you, but at least just once a month come to you and get money from you ?

That will be the most interesting thing in this discussion !

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