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Quote from: shield132 on September 03, 2024, 07:36:21 AM

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

That's not possible because 99% of the population is very bad at management and that good 1% owns businesses and manages people - workers. Also, it's impossible today to be your own boss, we are not Middle Ages when all you had to do was to have a farm, work at a farm and feed family members. Life today is more than food, it includes electricity, technics, medicines and many other necessary things.

Yeah is not possible because no matter how the world will evolve there is no way everybody will become there own boss and like you also said we have some important sectors that is very important in very society which is hospital, electricity and so many more other things that requires people to be handling them, so now the question is that if everybody tend to become there own bosses who will then attend to sick people in the hospital? or who will regulate the electricity or the technician that would fixed it if there is any fault on the system?.

Well I think what the person would have said is that if someone has worked for a company for sometime they should be able to establish other business for themselves so that they will have divert source of income while they are still work for the company and if perhaps the business has grown very verse for him that he does no longer need to work for the company he can then resign to go and manage his business properly, so actually it make sense if he had putting it this way instead of saying that everybody should be the boss of there own.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

That's not possible because 99% of the population is very bad at management and that good 1% owns businesses and manages people - workers. Also, it's impossible today to be your own boss, we are not Middle Ages when all you had to do was to have a farm, work at a farm and feed family members. Life today is more than food, it includes electricity, technics, medicines and many other necessary things.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

There are many people in web development who are great full-stack developers but work on fixed salary in banks, casinos and other companies. They can create their own agency and start building websites and earn ten times more money but they don't do that because they lack managerial skills. There are people who want to write the code and get paid for it, they don't want anything besides that and there are many people who follow this approach.
There is a reason why companies have CEO and that CEO doesn't make his own business. They simply prefer to do their job in a company instead of starting their own business.

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I've heard the statement multiple times and I kinda understand the logic behind it. Many "make money online gurus" are talking about "wage slaving". You can't become rich and powerful since Day 1, everyone has to start somewhere. The process of climbing the social structure usually starts from the bottom.
Come companies treat their employees like slaves and the work environment there is truly toxic. Other companies treat their employees with respect and offer good salaries and other benefits. There's no room for generalization here, but most people tend to generalize a lot.
If someone feels that being an employee is the same as being a slave, then he is free to build his own business and become his own boss.
Employees cannot be considered slaves, because a slave doesn't get a salary. Grin

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I also believe jobs can build value and skillset for them to later be used by people as a stepping stone to starting their own businesses. Basically, the story you described is an example of how one might use his or her time as an employee to acquire the resources necessary for self-sufficiency. Not every work leads to entrepreneurship, some people experience stagnant careers that limit their growth or equip them with the needed competencies in running businesses. Besides, not everyone wants to own a company; rather, there exist those who find satisfaction and stability while working for other people. It is vital to note that jobs might serve as good grounds for learning but may also not suit everybody perfectly.

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It's not cool to regard workers as slaves because they play a big role in making the establishment move forward. Granted, because they work for you, it limits them from pursuing their goals and dreams but still I won't regard them so lowly, rather I see it as a means to garner more experience and knowledge in that field in other to prepare them for their own business.
Someone said "salaries are like bait a business owner uses to lure one away from achieving his dreams or goals" and while it's true in a sense, in other ways, I disagree because like I stated in the first paragraph, some people work for someone to get an expansive knowledge in that field and since no knowledge is wasted, peradventure they want to venture into their personal business, little or more of what they've learned while working under someone can be applied in their own, so it's more like a win-win situation.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Unless the fresh graduate's family owns their own business, the fresh graduate needs to start somewhere, there is a big difference between learning how to run or manage a business and applying what you have learned, the fresh graduate should work in a company to apply what he learns from schools, so he will have enough experience when the times comes that he wants to run his own business.

And besides not all fresh graduates should have their own company there are fresh graduates who are content to work in big companies as long as he is well compensated, there's nothing working in a company and you are not a slave you are a major contributor to the company.

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Quote from: cabron on September 02, 2024, 01:16:00 PM

They both depend on each other so if the company's workers decide to stop working, good luck to the masters. The whole company will fail, this kind of situation seems to have been very clear in the pandemic days.

The laws have been made already about slaves, it's not how it works anymore when they have to toil or get whipped. Nothing like that these days anymore when it comes to employer and employee. It's a mutual relationship where both benefit.

Employers and employees are vocabulary associated with company, they are opposite to each other, both of them progress with the favor of each other, employees are more beneficial to the company then the employer, because they are the ones that standardized the company, without the workers the company is nothing. a company, an industry, an Enterprise, or private sectors will not develop and be profitable if it contain only the owner, workers are very important to their employer, because they bring growth and development to the company and the society at large.

Quote from: reagansimms on September 02, 2024, 08:44:49 AM

It is not right to call workers slaves, these words are very inappropriate to use in the modern era. Workers or employees have a role in advancing the company or place where they work, in other words, Bosses and Employees have a mutually beneficial relationship. Differences in fate become a very beautiful color in life, if everyone becomes a boss, then who will work. Having the status of an employee is not something despicable, if each person is surveyed individually, of course they do not want to live in conditions of deprivation, but because of their limited abilities, they must enjoy their profession to support themselves and their families.

Workers serve as a ladder to the company, they are the one uplifting the company, they also serve as a backbone to their employer, they don't deserve to be called a slave but a hero and heroes, the are the people that strengthening the community, they work very hard to fulfill there responsibilities no matter what, some faces a lot of challenges in their work place but they ignore it to provide for their family.

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Wage slavery is how most of us live, how we earn money to pay for the life we lead. Even self employed people are victims of a type of wage slavery, just without a boss looking over their shoulder. They are a slave to Uncle Sam. It’s tough but unless we win the lottery or something it’s just a fact of life that we have to work to pay for life.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

The title which according too you is a statement by someone is actually not right to me, if you look at the world generally average and low income earners are more than high income earners and those average income earners work for the government or private companies owned by rich people so how else does he want them to earn a living if not depend on white collar jobs. It’s not easy to be self employed or start up a business on your own especially when you are from a middle or low class family where you getting a capital to establish yourself is difficult the only option they are left with is to go to school and become an employee for people.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Everyone cannot be rich in this life so there will always be those who will have to work for others it’s like a chain and everyone is important for others to exist. If everyone becomes their own boss who will they employ to work for them?

The statement is just wrong, white collar workers are not slaves as they are being paid for their services, they work is valued and they are not forced to work they are aware of the payments and agree to work at their own free will.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on September 02, 2024, 08:55:17 AM

Nope, this is just the typical reasoning of people that can’t land a decent job. Work is important to the economy in general because it generates profit for the company which being distributed to people that work for it.

Salary is the reward for doing our job and it’s the way for us to live since we need money to purchased our daily necessities. Without job, a lot of people will be homeless and the world will not move forward.

It’s simple, work and get paid. If you want to better salary then do effort to make you extra worthy for high salary.

When people failed to secure a good paying job, they try to convince others to become discouraged so they can be idle together. Op should've asked him which company he is managing (I believe he manages nothing) and if there's any, he should ask why he's enslaving people to work in his company. It's illogical to even assume everyone to be CEO. Perhaps, the era of robots is fast approaching and no one will be slave again.

Even setting up your own company requires money (lots of money) and you can only realize that money by working to get paid. You can not just wake up one day and start up a company without funds and experienced. Both experience and money can be found else where under somebody. According to him (the man in Op narration), is either you enslave or you're a slave and both is not humane.

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We can also say that "we go to work to earn to be able to go to work again and repeat whole cycle", if we think that we spend part of salary to get to work and have a lunch there as a minimum. However, I would disagree with sating that workers are slaves, because compared with a slave, worker can always quit. And salary, this is just a reward. Btw some people prefer to earn less, but work with colleagues they like, some just love to be busy, and money is not what motivates them.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

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I personally don't agree if, for example, workers or employees are called slaves. Because this has a very different context. Workers of course work with an agreed contract, with the skills they have, and also with a nominal salary that has also been agreed. Unlike slaves, slaves were forced to work without pay and also for an uncertain period of time. That's why I really don't agree if, for example, workers or employees are called slaves. Maybe if there are workers who complain about their work and feel like they are being made slaves. In my opinion, instead of complaining like that, it's better to look for another job that is more suitable, because no one will stop you if you no longer have the strength to do your job. Apart from that, I also agree with your opinion, that a worker in the future can become a boss. I personally also see this in the current reality, that today's successful people have a history of working first. Therefore, we should not underestimate an employee or worker. Because a worker sometimes has a smarter mind than his own boss. Because every day a worker carries out work that has been determined by his company. So you can be sure that these workers will be more skilled than the boss of their own company. Therefore, it can be concluded that a worker and a slave are different things. I personally prefer to say that employees and superiors are something that needs each other (symbiotic mutualism). Because a company boss without employees of course that wouldn't be good either.

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Quote from: AbuBhakar on September 02, 2024, 08:55:17 AM

Nope, this is just the typical reasoning of people that can’t land a decent job. Work is important to the economy in general because it generates profit for the company which being distributed to people that work for it.

I understand that the OP used the term slave for workers in a figurative sense, meaning that they solely depends on whatever they're given by their bosses and they can not add anything in decision making. But we can not generalize every worker into this box, it depends on where you're working, some workers in well organized companies and institutions are far better off working for someone than being sole proprietors. Workers who are in the category of "slave" no job security are the ones that are working for employers that doesn't care for the welfare of their employees.

When you're working in a place where all your entitlements are taken care of and when you retire you're paid gratuity that can sustain you till you die, that is job security. Established companies sends their staff for training to increase their effectiveness on the their jobs. Some companies even share dividends to their staff after they've hit their target for the year. Although being your own boss is good, also working in a place where your inputs are appreciated and you're well renumerated is good as well.

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There are works that are promising with high-paying salaries, allowances, health care, and so many benefits. The problem is that it is rare and difficult to see one. Only those who are privileged that someone they knew or a relation is in a position to link them up to that kind of job are able to work there. When you come to society you see that the only jobs that are rampant and available are lowing paying jobs and that is why a lot of people dont want to be in such a situation where they are paid little money that they can't keep up to a standard of living in a month.

In reality, people prefer having a business or a skill than waiting to find a good-paying job. Many has come to realize that when you have a skill you can get paid the desired amount you kept as a charge, in business, you sell to make your profit. No one is in control of how you work and how much you receive.

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Different people, different privilege, different personality, different strength, different experience, and different luckiness.

Encouraging people to start a business instead of working under someone else company is really overrated, similar like saying hard work will make you success and rich, while everyone in this world are hard working!

@OP I believe someone who discourage people to get white collar jobs is they know a side hustle that can earn a lot money compared to what they get paid or they're born from rich parents. So, that's why they think having a business is better, than get a job.

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Quote from: Charles-Tim on September 02, 2024, 08:46:02 AM

Who are slaves?

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a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Anyone that is not forced to work is not a slave even if the person is not paid. People are motivated by the money that is paid them and that is not slavery.

Also slaves are property of their master/owner. A boss of a company is nobody's owner.

Working on other people is not a form of slavery, rather it's more precise to call it learning from the position of his boss and at the same time earning as well. And with sufficient knowledge and experience in time, he will apply it on his own and might probably go on a separate way to test his learning skills and capabilities.

Slavery are those who are forced to follow their masters, but working on other people to get paid and learn from him does not fall on that.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

The problem is that most people are incapable of being “the boss”. They are afraid to take responsibility, to take risks, and to be accountable for their every move. It is easier for them to follow orders and commands and wait for a paycheck from the “boss”. They are not the ones who made them like this, they are the ones who are like this. Don't try to put the blame on someone more successful.

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If we truly want to have our freedom back, then we have to realize the dignity from being independent of anyone or anything, in life, the moment that people have realized that you cant do anything without their influence in your life, then one has been hypnotized under their covering and they will tend to hold you captive as long as you remain loyal to them, except you realized your right for freedom and privacy.

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I felt it back in the day when I was unemployed. I had to go to the employment office to get free healthcare, because otherwise I'd have to pay for hospital if I happened to need one. They were extremely rude to me, looking at me like I'm lazy, or unfit for society, since I was an educated white male in my 20s. I felt like they were asking me: why don't you get a job and instead come here to get freebies?
That's how modern society is built. You must have a job to be normal, to be like all the other worker ants. When you tell people you invest your money to get more you're a worthless speculator who can't find a real job... A landlord is someone who abuses poor people who can't afford a house and a woman staying at home with her children is a lazy stupid gold digger who takes money from her man... Society is fucked.

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There is indeed such a saying, "If you're a worker, the harder you work, the richer your boss." Nothing more than cash cows, their energies are squeezed continuously with wages, sometimes unreasonably so.

A saying that neatly sums up the reality many workers experience under the capitalist system, wherein the value of their work is regularly not equal to what they are paid. Most companies concentrate on making profits to fatten the purses of the owners or shareholders, with worker welfare taking a back seat.

It tends to lock the worker into having their wages stay the same, even though what they add to the success of the business is going up. This creates a deep injustice: the more profit their hard work brings, the more it flows into the boss's or company owner's pockets.

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