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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

The problem is that most people are incapable of being “the boss”. They are afraid to take responsibility, to take risks, and to be accountable for their every move. It is easier for them to follow orders and commands and wait for a paycheck from the “boss”. They are not the ones who made them like this, they are the ones who are like this. Don't try to put the blame on someone more successful.

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If we truly want to have our freedom back, then we have to realize the dignity from being independent of anyone or anything, in life, the moment that people have realized that you cant do anything without their influence in your life, then one has been hypnotized under their covering and they will tend to hold you captive as long as you remain loyal to them, except you realized your right for freedom and privacy.

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I felt it back in the day when I was unemployed. I had to go to the employment office to get free healthcare, because otherwise I'd have to pay for hospital if I happened to need one. They were extremely rude to me, looking at me like I'm lazy, or unfit for society, since I was an educated white male in my 20s. I felt like they were asking me: why don't you get a job and instead come here to get freebies?
That's how modern society is built. You must have a job to be normal, to be like all the other worker ants. When you tell people you invest your money to get more you're a worthless speculator who can't find a real job... A landlord is someone who abuses poor people who can't afford a house and a woman staying at home with her children is a lazy stupid gold digger who takes money from her man... Society is fucked.

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There is indeed such a saying, "If you're a worker, the harder you work, the richer your boss." Nothing more than cash cows, their energies are squeezed continuously with wages, sometimes unreasonably so.

A saying that neatly sums up the reality many workers experience under the capitalist system, wherein the value of their work is regularly not equal to what they are paid. Most companies concentrate on making profits to fatten the purses of the owners or shareholders, with worker welfare taking a back seat.

It tends to lock the worker into having their wages stay the same, even though what they add to the success of the business is going up. This creates a deep injustice: the more profit their hard work brings, the more it flows into the boss's or company owner's pockets.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

Most of us live in a capitalist society and that is actually the optimum option out there right now, the sort of "best of the worst" type options. It helps when governments don't resort (or get "lobbied") into a complete free market, because the best systems have a fair amount of regulation that is necessity to keep the richest under some control. The reality is, whether through conditioning or just individual greed, many people are happy to work hard all day and then fritter away their money on lots of inconsequential things in life - think catching an Uber instead of walking 15 minutes or getting 5 food deliveries a week, then wonder why they don't have any money. The smartest people in life aren't always the richest, but the people who are careful with their money and put it to work.

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They both depend on each other so if the company's workers decide to stop working, good luck to the masters. The whole company will fail, this kind of situation seems to have been very clear in the pandemic days.

The laws have been made already about slaves, it's not how it works anymore when they have to toil or get whipped. Nothing like that these days anymore when it comes to employer and employee. It's a mutual relationship where both benefit.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

The kind of job you do is a choice. It is not a bad idea to work for someone a few years, raise capital and start your own business. But do you think it is everybody that has the skill to run a personal business? Some people do not have the entrepreneurial skills to start their firms so they are comfortable working with people. I know people who are comfortable working for somebody and will never consider starting a business.

It will be a waste of time for people who can successfully be their boss to spend their entire life working for somebody. Some of them will give excuses about capital, but I don't think money is a major impediment because it can be accessed through different means. People with business traits should start with what they and the business will grow gradually.

There is a misconception that all workers are poor and unhappy. Many workers love and find fulfilment working for people. And the belief that wealth is determined by how much you are worth is also a misconception. Some people are not superrich like entrepreneurs but they are comfortable with what they earn.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

Of course, workers are not slaves, but they derive much less economical benefit from their work than someone in the C-suite (CEO, CFO, etc).
In US, the ratio (remuneration difference) is some big number like 1:300 in favor of CEO.

That said, i cringe when one soccer club is said to sell one footballer or another to a different club or "loan" him.
I am cringing because this often occurs when the player does not really want this transfer or loan, at least initially.
Of course, they give their permission at the end, otherwise it would not happen, but still, there is an element of coercion in the whole process, but everyone mostly ignores it because footballers make lots of money regardless.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on September 02, 2024, 09:08:11 AM

If you go by that, then everyone needs to be some CEO and there is no one working under them. Is that even possible from common sense?

I agree with @AbuBhakar here and would like to add that these type of statements are often done by certain people with hidden agendas which you might not be aware of.

You have a stomach and so does your family, you need to feed them so you use your skills and get a job. Eventually you rise up the corporate ladder and maybe one day you become close to the CEO or their second or third in command. That is enough for one lifetime.

But reaching the sky before even learning to crawl is bullshit.

Totally really just that common sense and we do know that life is never that something can be considered as balanced. There would really be those people who would really be that sitting into the top and there are
those people who would really be at the bottom on which this is something that typical life cycle that we do have. If you are someone who doesnt really like on making yourself that sit into the bottom then
better to think up on how you would really be doing it. Instead on making yourself having those imaginations then it would really be just that better that you should really be that working your ass off hard
to climb up into the ladder and never focus up on how others do able to sit into the top because it will really be just that making you desperate and this is something not really that recommended.
Better focus on trying out to achieve your dreams and it wont really be able to happen if you wont really be taking any actions. This is why if you do have that kind of jealous feeling about into their condition
then it would be ideal that you should start now on achieving those dreams but of course it wont really be that an easy one and pretty sure that all of us are really that thriving our very best on achieving that
financial success and this is why we are really that involving ourselves into tons of possible income source.

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Quote from: reagansimms on September 02, 2024, 08:44:49 AM

It is not right to call workers slaves, these words are very inappropriate to use in the modern era. Workers or employees have a role in advancing the company or place where they work, in other words, Bosses and Employees have a mutually beneficial relationship. Differences in fate become a very beautiful color in life, if everyone becomes a boss, then who will work. Having the status of an employee is not something despicable, if each person is surveyed individually, of course they do not want to live in conditions of deprivation, but because of their limited abilities, they must enjoy their profession to support themselves and their families.

Personally I completely agree with you, such statements are very hurtful when heard and the person who said it is very immoral and forgets to be grateful. In essence, we are all people who are in a circle of a system that chases money, and every boss is not the one who has the real money printing. We admit that social classes still exist in every country, and those who are in the upper class today, cannot always survive there, the wheel of fate will definitely turn. People from the lower class are the ones who support them, who exchange their time for a salary, and we call it Mutual Symbiosis, a mutually beneficial nature.

I am quite sure that those who consider other people slaves basically have a disorder in their way of thinking, because in the minds of such people, their children and wives also have the status of a slave by their side. In my opinion, bosses or anyone who likes to throw out slave narratives to others, will be ostracized in any environment, their arrogance will not be accepted in all groups.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

The statement above is true but comes from the mouth of someone who already has economic balance so that he can judge workers as slaves. Imagine without workers the economic cycle will not run, moreover our economic fate is not determined by the words of people who can only judge without providing solutions. The point is from the worker's side we do not have time to choose and sort out an uncertain fate. We can only do what can be done before someone else takes the job. Everyone must continue to compete in their respective careers to support their families, remember friends let them label us as slaves, or errand boys because all of that will not make us full at all

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Not all people can be their own boss. Most people need someone else to be their boss because of lack of independence. And if all the people in the world started working only for themselves, there would be a global labor shortage.

Which would inflate the price of hired workers and some people who are their own bosses would find it more profitable to switch to hired labor.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

There is a rational grain in this. Working in an established work system, you can acquire skills and experience faster, and also, without risking your own business, which will allow you to start your own business more successfully in the future.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

There are nuances here. Experience is gained in the field/position in which you work. That is, working as a secretary, you are unlikely to gain much experience in management.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work.

If it is more profitable to work for someone and earn more money than from running your own business, then why not do it? After all, the goal of any work activity is to make a profit.

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If he succeds in building a business of his own and manage to upscale it to a point where he can no longer handle it all by himself, wouldn't he seek for someone else's service? Will it be right to tag those working for him as slaves?

Life progresses in phases and the society works better because we are able to network and combine our effort, skill and time together to help ourselves achieve the goal we're faced with at every stage. Working with smoke exposes you to a lot of things that prepares you for whatever personal enterprenural plan you might have. Also, it's not everyone that needs to start a business or his own, if everyone does that, who will petronize who? It's not even everyone that has that capacity of running a firm on thier own. Some people do better under the supervision of a third party and for those, telling them they're enslaving themselves just because they are working for someone wouldn't do them any good.

Thier are places that have a very good salary structure that's better what the average business owner is getting and yet you're not the primary risk bearer. Starting off a new business or being self employed is just a matter of choice. If you don't have a driving force or you don't see a need that you feel you're best position to solve, it's better to source for already established firm and at least start a career from that point.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

If you read the title, it was a statement made by someone yesterday as he was trying to discourage someone else from getting a white collar job.(The kind of work he was referring to is a white collar job or any job that requires you to work as an employee in another man's company or business.).

In their conversation, as I paid close attention, he said that workers are slaves and that some workers are smiling in pain while working for peanuts. He went on to say that people are not supposed to work for anyone but should rather be their own boss.

Now, I wish to get your opinion, friends. What do you think of such a statement?

He's right that every worker is a corporate slave but can we do anything about that? For some yes, for some no. Not everyone has their own ways of getting out the rat race if that's the only means that they can do. They will have to realize that going on with the rat race is not a dream of everybody. Everyone has somewhere to start and one of it is through being an employee but don't degrade people that are working honestly to bring food to the table. It might work for him to say that he should be his own boss but not everyone has the same risk appetite as him.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

Some people even get to learn about the boss role experience after working as an employee in some office for some number of months or years.

This is true, and this is what we call as a stepping stone. Employees that have their own road map on how to become successful in life are learning from their jobs and bosses.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

In conclusion, workers are not actually slaves, some people have reasons why they decided to work. For example, in my country, there is one man who is the CEO of a bank. According to him, he worked with the Central Bank of my country as a tech guy, but after eight years of working with them, he gathered lots of experience and also raised enough money that he was able to start his own company. He started an MMO (mobile money provider service), but today he is now a microfinance bank, and he has made excellent more than many commercial banks in my country.

Everyone has their own humble beginnings and that guy has for sure and that's why he's telling such things. But he should be kinder to everyone especially to the ones that are starting out their careers. Not all wants to be an entrepreneur.

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This mentality mostly comes from people who are either lazy to do anything or build something for their family and themselves, or from wealthy ones who never had to work before and mostly their parents prepared everything for them.
We are a community and there are jobs and tasks that should be done from someone or another. If our trash we produce every day is not taken and moved by a worker, than we all that place will get dirty, the same thing with electricity, plumbery, delivery and many other jobs.
Away from money and salary, we have to look at things from another perspective, and in reality the individuals who works harder are the ones who should get paid more. However, in our days things are different and a bit unfair, that’s why you shouldn’t listen to discouraging advices or statements.

My honest opinion about this statement is ignorance, and slavery is only when you own a person and make him do things without paying him unwillingly.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on September 02, 2024, 08:22:00 AM

Personal for me, I do believe that getting a job is not just about the salary you get paid, but there are some jobs that can help to groom you into getting more experience that can also help you to explore when you want to start your own business or company to become your own boss.

I think when people think of worker vs boss, this image above is what comes to their head. But I think your statement above has already explained all what I wanted to say. Before someone becomes a boss today he/she was once a worker before they became a boss. That is just the circle of life, you must undergo alot of challenges before becoming a boss. But when the newbies who you employ comes, they don't even think of how you become a boss. but thinks that it may be some sort of inheritance, not knowing it was hard work. In nutshell, life is all about give and take. When you give you take or recieve. and after that what you receive is what becomes of you, Be it life experience or work which you have learnt. Working for someone does not mean slavery but an avenue to acquire skill to become useful to yourself or the society.

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If you go by that, then everyone needs to be some CEO and there is no one working under them. Is that even possible from common sense?

I agree with @AbuBhakar here and would like to add that these type of statements are often done by certain people with hidden agendas which you might not be aware of.

You have a stomach and so does your family, you need to feed them so you use your skills and get a job. Eventually you rise up the corporate ladder and maybe one day you become close to the CEO or their second or third in command. That is enough for one lifetime.

But reaching the sky before even learning to crawl is bullshit.

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Nope, this is just the typical reasoning of people that can’t land a decent job. Work is important to the economy in general because it generates profit for the company which being distributed to people that work for it.

Salary is the reward for doing our job and it’s the way for us to live since we need money to purchased our daily necessities. Without job, a lot of people will be homeless and the world will not move forward.

It’s simple, work and get paid. If you want to better salary then do effort to make you extra worthy for high salary.

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Who are slaves?

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a person who is forced to work for and obey another and is considered to be their property; an enslaved person.

Anyone that is not forced to work is not a slave even if the person is not paid. People are motivated by the money that is paid them and that is not slavery.

Also slaves are property of their master/owner. A boss of a company is nobody's owner.

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It is not right to call workers slaves, these words are very inappropriate to use in the modern era. Workers or employees have a role in advancing the company or place where they work, in other words, Bosses and Employees have a mutually beneficial relationship. Differences in fate become a very beautiful color in life, if everyone becomes a boss, then who will work. Having the status of an employee is not something despicable, if each person is surveyed individually, of course they do not want to live in conditions of deprivation, but because of their limited abilities, they must enjoy their profession to support themselves and their families.

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