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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Of course not. If he had already gambled irresponsibly and lost everything, that only tells us that he is already an addict. And we know what happens with addicts if they ever get the same opportunity. Things would be different if he had gone through therapy and is now a normal person. If not, I am not going to give anything. He had his chance and he already blew it up.
The moment he gets the money, he will try to win back what he lost and may try to make some profit out of it by gambling. It is a risky move. Maybe you helping him with money could lead to him starting gambling again. And I don't want to be a part of that.

To those who will donate/help that guy out of empathy, don't do it. Maybe you are doing it for a good purpose but it could turn out quite the opposite.

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Loads of things will make me crowdfund for a gambler

Firstly, has the gambler been sober. Has he come to his senses that gambling isn't a way of life.
Does the person have the ability to say a thing and stick to it irrespective of challenges associated with it.

Imagine if the person isn't sober, crowdfunding for him will be just a disaster to your Name, Person and Reputation

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Quote from: slapper on November 25, 2023, 09:19:34 AM

Quote from: angrybirdy on November 25, 2023, 05:28:14 AM

If there's any serious medical condition that's why a gambler need to ask crowdfunding, it is better to explain and elaborate it first or seek medical advice from the experts. In that way, maybe people will help him, But if the reason is about being an irresponsible gambler, don't expect them to help you. I get it
that it depends on the occasion and reason, If a person loses money in gambling in multiple times to the point that their physical and mental health is at stake, meaning there's really something wrong, he needs to know in himself that something is wrong and he needs to stop whatever is the reason why he is experiencing this.

Even brilliant individuals fall for this psychological deception. Why should we only ask for crowdfunding? Isnt it about recognizing a serious issue? Gamblers screaming for aid, whether due to health issues or overspending, are asking for help. Avoid labeling them "irresponsible gamblers." In addition to losing money, lives are falling apart. Instead of contempt, we should provide systematic assistance. We must peel back layers to understand mental health and gaming.

Self-realization is crucial. The gambler must face their situation, but isnt it complicated psychologically? "Knowing something is wrong and stopping" doesnt describe profound addiction. Gambling uses the brain's reward system to give consumers a false sensation of control and near-misses that keep them hooked. Professionals must repair many cognitive errors that go beyond grit. Instead of shame, shouldnt society encourage people to seek help? Stopping goes beyond stopping. Understand why and how to stop. Can we overlook this while judging quickly?

The recovery process is quite difficult for the addicted person. And because they need to hide it from the society, they end up swimming in the pool of addiction. The condemnations they get from people, when they try to show the world their problems, keeps them in depression. Friends and family careless about the problems this addicts go through, that's why it's hard to survive such a problem. In the process of trying to show the society the aspect they want to see. The gambler's addiction will be left untreated. Thereby exposing the player to bigger risks of addiction. Right, even when the money is given to them, they won't know what next to do, other than gambling. Why then do people blame them, if we can think deeply, it's common to understand that these things ain't done outrightly. The hidden processes that led to the bad behavior, grew out of the fear of what people would say. After discovering that they're now addicted to gambling, the brain would deceive them not to open up, that they can settle it on their own.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Never gamble (or invest in cryptocurrencies or securities) with borrowed money or other money "meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing".

No ~~mercy~~ donations or financial support for gamblers. All their risks and losses lie solely on their shoulders and under their personal responsibility.

If someone wants to help such losers gamblers, then this is their personal right. No one has the right to say anything to such donators, because this concerns only the donator and the gambler.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on November 25, 2023, 05:28:14 AM

Quote from: Ultegra134 on November 25, 2023, 04:17:25 AM

There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.

If there's any serious medical condition that's why a gambler need to ask crowdfunding, it is better to explain and elaborate it first or seek medical advice from the experts. In that way, maybe people will help him, But if the reason is about being an irresponsible gambler, don't expect them to help you. I get it
that it depends on the occasion and reason, If a person loses money in gambling in multiple times to the point that their physical and mental health is at stake, meaning there's really something wrong, he needs to know in himself that something is wrong and he needs to stop whatever is the reason why he is experiencing this.

Even brilliant individuals fall for this psychological deception. Why should we only ask for crowdfunding? Isnt it about recognizing a serious issue? Gamblers screaming for aid, whether due to health issues or overspending, are asking for help. Avoid labeling them "irresponsible gamblers." In addition to losing money, lives are falling apart. Instead of contempt, we should provide systematic assistance. We must peel back layers to understand mental health and gaming.

Self-realization is crucial. The gambler must face their situation, but isnt it complicated psychologically? "Knowing something is wrong and stopping" doesnt describe profound addiction. Gambling uses the brain's reward system to give consumers a false sensation of control and near-misses that keep them hooked. Professionals must repair many cognitive errors that go beyond grit. Instead of shame, shouldnt society encourage people to seek help? Stopping goes beyond stopping. Understand why and how to stop. Can we overlook this while judging quickly?

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on November 25, 2023, 08:36:09 AM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

The counter question is "Why we should"? Knowing the truth that he is an irresponsible gambler, he doesn't deserve support from us and from the community, he should have carried his own gambling journey alone. Could we think an irresponsible gambler would change and have the intention to do that? I don't think so. I'd rather gamble than give my money to someone that we know he can't handle and manage himself. Because after he has the money, he will forget those promises and the people who gave him.

They choose to be in worst situation so they need to face what they are facing on since that is what the consequences of wrong decisions they made. Also its not good to crowdfund for a gambler since he or she is not really worth the help since he could decide for his self to avoid to experience the worst but he decide to go and risk all the money he have.

I also rather gamble the money I have than helping people to became more lazy or irresponsible so I can enjoy it even if I lose.

And I'm sure that after he get's help from people he will go back to gambling once he get another fund to spend. This type of people will not learn so they need to experience the downside of the actions they have done.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

The counter question is "Why we should"? Knowing the truth that he is an irresponsible gambler, he doesn't deserve support from us and from the community, he should have carried his own gambling journey alone. Could we think an irresponsible gambler would change and have the intention to do that? I don't think so. I'd rather gamble than give my money to someone that we know he can't handle and manage himself. Because after he has the money, he will forget those promises and the people who gave him.

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Quote from: Solosanz on November 25, 2023, 07:11:45 AM

Quote from: Orpichukwu on November 24, 2023, 03:33:15 PM

If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.

What about a gambling addict that has a self harm illness? it's also relate to life and death.

They will ask you money and you refuse it because you know the money will be used for gambling, then they will threat you if you not give them money, they will cut their' vein or commit suicide. What will you do for such case? remember, asking them to stop isn't an option because they can't listen.

If that's the case, maybe we can give them a little money to use for gambling, but after that, we can ask the authorities and rehabilitation centers for help so they can come and meet the person and then help him solve the problem. This is a serious problem that can occur in people who have a very serious gambling addiction and is difficult to cure. They must be immediately taken to a rehabilitation center so that they can be treated immediately and will not cause problems for them. It may be a bit difficult to handle them because their mindset has changed and cannot be recognized anymore so this needs more serious treatment.

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Quote from: Orpichukwu on November 24, 2023, 03:33:15 PM

If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.

What about a gambling addict that has a self harm illness? it's also relate to life and death.

They will ask you money and you refuse it because you know the money will be used for gambling, then they will threat you if you not give them money, they will cut their' vein or commit suicide. What will you do for such case? remember, asking them to stop isn't an option because they can't listen.

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Quote from: angrybirdy on November 23, 2023, 06:19:13 AM

Quote from: vv181 on November 23, 2023, 12:03:55 AM

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Precisely! You can't resolve a gambler's problem by funding or lending him a money especially if the gambler is suffering in any psychological behavior like Obsession and Addiction. If you really want to help a gambler, you can suggest them to consult in a professionals. If you continue to give money to a gambler, you just tolerate their wrongdoing especially if you notice that something is wrong with their actions.

That is the way to go. Direct them to the professional, and we should help them to be aware of their own condition, if they were not aware at first, and encourage them to the therapist. The reason I said that is because, there is a chance those who are in need of help are in denial, so they did not try to improve the situation. I believe it is a valid concern.

Contrasting with OP's thoughts, I believe this is rather more sane advice, instead of supporting, the addictions. Furthermore, if we agree that those who borrow money excessively for gambling are addicted, this will solve the root causes.

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It's really hard to simplify these things...we don't know who he is, we don't know what the gambler should do.
so at this point potentially anything is possible. it is obvious that I would try to finance interesting activities or at least those proposed by people with a certain reputation but, again, everything has to be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

for sure I will not make a "donation".
my donations are always sent to people in need (health issue or homeless).

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on November 25, 2023, 04:17:25 AM

There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.

If there's any serious medical condition that's why a gambler need to ask crowdfunding, it is better to explain and elaborate it first or seek medical advice from the experts. In that way, maybe people will help him, But if the reason is about being an irresponsible gambler, don't expect them to help you. I get it
that it depends on the occasion and reason, If a person loses money in gambling in multiple times to the point that their physical and mental health is at stake, meaning there's really something wrong, he needs to know in himself that something is wrong and he needs to stop whatever is the reason why he is experiencing this.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Prior to deciding whether to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler seeking financial assistance, I am the type of person who would want to personally talk to the gambler first. Having a discussion personally will let us see the true objective of another person by looking into their eyes, how they will react, and how sincere they are. There's nothing wrong with helping a fellow gambler, it's just hard to trust someone so easily who made a mistake especially when it comes to money. He has to make a move, change for himself, and try to get back the trust of the people around him.

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There's usually a thin line before answering this kind of question, as it varies depending on the occasion and the reason for the said crowdfunding. On the one hand, I'd say that it's irresponsible to become bankrupt due to gambling; you're addicted and need professional help. This doesn't apply only to gambling but to anything that occurs in excess, such as compulsive shopping and so on. Personally, I'd rather not help someone who brought this on themselves, but on the other hand, some other serious issues might be underlying that led to the state that he needs to ask for crowdfunding. Thus, in my opinion, we shouldn't be too quick to judge, as there might be some serious conditions, such as medical, and the dire need for money led them to such compulsive behavior. Would it be justified? Certainly not, but we can't judge until we're in their shoes.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on November 23, 2023, 12:29:21 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

There are people that have been crowdfunded for other reasons like out of love from people who love them. This people are already rich, but you get to see lots of people who are struggling to survive still donate their hard earned money to these people on celebrations like their birthdays, I find it foolish. These people can crowdfund anybody and anyone, they will not find it difficult if a popular gambler they love who has gambled irresponsibly ask for help in the form of financial supporters.

The areas I will concentrate is for someone who doesn't not have money but spend above what it receives monthly for birthday celebrations, its not really right because what they are celebrating does not have any impact to their lives, what matters most is to create impact of what that will elevate you, for the aspect of assistance, you might be less privileged but you have the mindset to help whosoever that comes to your way's to make sure you have solved the person's problems, that should be your own way, whereas at a point some people will have but they don't give out their money, some people don't help gamblers because they feel that if money is being entrusted to them they will divert the money for gambling, and some people also is against gambling and they can give you their hard earned money to use and gamble so humans have different reasoning

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No absolutely not. There are plenty of other good causes to crowd fund for than someone who degen'd there way into debt for something important in life. My guess is if they already did it once then they probably would take the funds and gamble that away too. Be responsible and take ownership of your losses, obsolving gamblers of this only deepens their own addiction.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

We are al humans, this is what i will personally do, if the condition in involved on this crowdfunding process is very critical and deals with health or life challenges, then i will have no option than to give and support in such situation, but if it's something that has erupted out of the gamblers carelessness or irresponsibility, then i don't think i have that time or money to give in support of the unserious fellows for what they should be held responsible for.

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Only gamblers would understand how it feels to lose your money that you have budgeted for something. Everyone makes a silly and stupid mistake in life and since nobody is perfect, we all deserve a second chance. I will donate to the gambler and if I can add a note, I will tell him or her to be gamble responsibly and if he repeats the same mistake, then my benevolence will not forgive him.

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It's hard to say, but I wouldn't be a part of the donors for his campaign. It's not like he was struck by a disaster. No... He gambled away money meant for his family, or school tuition.
What would you do if he was your tenant and told you that he gambled away his rent money? Sorry, I don't have the money that I owe you, but I still want to live here for free. You'd probably kick his ass out onto the street, right?
Bottom line is, I feel for people who had problems, lost jobs, had an accident, were injured, had a death in the family... Such things I can support, but I don't support irresponsibility.

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If someone was careless enough to use money that was meant for something else to gamble and it was the person's bad day, they were out of luck and ended up losing the money at the end of the day. Now that the money is gone, that's when the person realises that he was really supposed to use that money for something important, and now they seek public support. My honest truth is that I will hardly render help to such a person. The reason is this:

If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.

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