Topic: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly? - page 3. (Read 871 times)

If someone was careless enough to use money that was meant for something else to gamble and it was the person's bad day, they were out of luck and ended up losing the money at the end of the day. Now that the money is gone, that's when the person realises that he was really supposed to use that money for something important, and now they seek public support. My honest truth is that I will hardly render help to such a person. The reason is this:
 
If the person was careless enough to gamble with money before, what will stop him or her from doing the same thing again? So unless that thing is a matter of life and death, I will not give a penny to such a person because they have already proven to me to be careless gamblers who don't have self-control.

Multiple criteria is associated to such a human behavior. Many only give money to people, whom they expect a payback, from a different way. Gamblers who lose it all, are seen in the society as irresponsible. Friends still should look out for other gamblers, who they have lesser love for in the society. Because the little rollers still end up losing too much money, amounting to high USD. So, truly, they may need the crowd funding to survive. It'll be difficult to find a community where people would render help to a losing gambler. Unless in situations where they are sure of a return after lending out the money. Other things may include, the character of the gambler after receiving the help. Remember we are looking at free funds here. It's crucial to know if the gambler is actually about to stop or wants to cheat others, by coining out a sweet emotional story. Givers are expected to run a background check before releasing any amount for the crowdfunding. Gamblers can't be predicted, that's why people can easily fund a friend's birthday, instead of trouble gamblers. Due to the risk involved, regarding, if the gambler will manage the funds. Few response above centers on the importance of not handing out the funds directly, to alter any form of misusing the funds to gamble again.

People would really be that considerate on the time that they would really be getting some viable reasons or something that would really be able to be that convincing or something that do talks
that would really be used for good or changes then he/she might really be able to get that financial or funding support from the community but if these things would be talking back
about making further gambling sessions or would be simply spend back into those casinos or betting houses then people would really be getting pissed of
with that in regard. They would definitely be saying HELL NO! for this one since there's no point or something beneficial if they would be doing this.

Asking him why he wants to gamble would be best I guess. If his reason is to earn money then there are other means to do so. Sometimes support doesn't need to be in accordance to the person who needs the help, there are times wherein it could be in contrast and what's important is whether it would be for his betterment or not. It is like giving a drug addict money to continue what he's doing 'coz he struggle if the presence of substance is lacking, rather than bringing him to professionals for proper treatment (if you have the capability to do so). Sometimes not supporting them literally is a kind of support.  The question only becames tricky if you'd let your emotions and attachment to the person as the bottomline and not the objective.

The important thing is that we know what the purpose of crowdfunding is and that it will not be misused to fund gamblers who are addicted to gambling to continue playing. If it is for the purpose of treating those who are addicted to gambling, maybe we can think about joining the people who have already donated. Doesn't that mean we also help people to cure their gambling addiction? And yes, if there is no intention from the gambler to help himself to cure his gambling addiction, it seems like crowdfunding will not work optimally because there is no awareness on the part of the gambler to cure his gambling addiction. It would be even better if local governments knew about crowdfunding for gambling because they could provide their support to help cure people who are addicted to gambling. That would be a good humanitarian program to do.

This is actually a very tricky question, regardless of the fact that some gamblers are very reckless, there is still possibility that any body can make a mistake at any given time.

In order not to go lengthy on this, my answer is very simple, based on my philanthropic nature, I would definitely be moved to help such a gambler, but this would be on some certain criteria.

1. First, and most important being that, if the gambler is relatively new to gambling, then, I will be definitely moved to help crowdfund him or her based on the fact that, i believe it's his or her first mistake, and that he or she probably have learnt from it and won't allow him or herself make such mistake again.

2. Secondly, it depend on what happened that lead to the gambler staking that high and losing it, if his or her story is one that is very touching and I see myself doing exactly the same thing he or she did if I was in his or her shoes, then I did be moved to help.

In all, it's important we all know that no body is an island of knowledge, we all make mistakes and when we do make a mistake that will swallow us, it is still humans that will come to our help, so, nothing is wrong in helping a fellow gambler if he or she truly deserve to be helped.

If that's the only reason to do crowdfunding, it seems like it's difficult to participate and support such a concept. Maybe later that's just a modus operandi; you know what it means. It wouldn't matter if everything went through in a proper and legal way; it would be fine, in my opinion.

But as you said, if the gambler himself will not help himself to get rid of the addiction he has, then a friend will do the same to do crowdfunding for him. It seems like the outside is also cheated in the end. Right?

Why not if there is legal backing for this? That must also go with sureties to back it up. By this, I would be satisfying my conscience of helping someone, but my terms must first be fulfilled. If not, why waste my money? I will not make the mistake of being involved in such a wasteful affair. Irresponsibility is high with some people and there is no way you can trust your money with them without them squandering it. This is particularly true when they are also addicted and have even crossed the red line in their addiction, they would be looking for all means to gather money just to go back to their gambling. But some would use some parts to gamble and use the rest for what they intended to. However, this has to do with the level of the person's addiction, if it's so high, such might be using the money in parts to gamble bit by bit until they waste all of it.

If at all I want to help a person like this, I must be certain that he first gets help and is free of the addiction. It's after this that I can be partly sure of trusting my hard-earned money to him no matter what.

Are we still saying that crowdfunding is same thing as giving gift?

I think your classification here falls into giving of gift that people do in celebration of other people in there moment of happiness like birthday, marriage ceremony etc even in sad moments like being bereaved of which the rich is not above gift receiving. So there is nothing wrong to give to the rich even if they have in abundance. Gift opens more doors for receiving and blessing, like they say the gift of a man makes way for him.

So crowdfunding is not same with gift in the the light of what the topic is discussing. You are only supporting someone to come back from their irresponsible action that caused his loses.

People who thought like that are wrong, it's kind of spoiling where people give him a fish instead of teach him how to catch a fish.

Funding an irresponsible gambler will make you lose money, so make sure to treat it like a donation. Also be prepare to see them ask more money since they know you're someone who can't reject a request or something like that.

Giving money to a gambling addict is like buying cocaine for a drug addict. This doesn't help him at all and it might make his situation worse.
Do you really think that giving money to a gambler is a true act of empathy? I don't think so. True empathy would be trying to help a gambler to get rid of his gambling addiction.
I also wonder how many people would donate money to someone, who starts a Gofundme campaign and claims that he's a gambler with big debts and a growing addiction. Is it possible for such crowdfunding campaigns to be launched on Gofundme(or other crowdfunding platforms)? Probably not. I assume that such campaign would probably be banned from the platform.

I agree with you, we should help people whose lives seem very difficult or inadequate.
If there are people or relatives who when gambling experience financial difficulties because when gambling they do not have good, responsible and controlled behavior, then what I will do is just let it go, because that is a consequence for themselves because their carelessness in gambling is out of control. It's a good idea to save the winnings or invest them for our own living needs.
It's not certain that when we have financial difficulties there will be someone to help us in the future.

I would be perfectly willing to help to fund a gambler so they can seek for the professional help they need, though, I think that in order to do so some trusted third party would be required so the person suffering from.the gambling addiction cannot get direct access or management over the funds, instead the third person or party would be the one securing the money to be paid to a psychological clinic in behalf of the community who donated that money.
Though, keeping in mind one person's reputation is tightly linked to the community where they participate, then the crossfunding would be likely restringed to one community at the time, because of the limitations of the escrow/third party.

It there is someone that can really help, then it should be professional in this field. And maybe the next question is, where should the gambler get the money to seek help? And maybe why crowdfund could be the solution.

Unfortunately, it's not that everyone doesn't have a golden heart and is willing to help, is that in this kind of situation, it's the gambler that is seeking help. And with that kind of stigma, it's hard for someone or at least convince anyone to help him because of that kind of stigma so you can't blame anyone for having that kind of mindset and not helping the individual. Maybe there will be some, but I doubt that it will be enough.

Many people will not help you until you suffer from any medical condition.So he you expected such people will help you to manage the loss from the gambling,honestly no one will help you with money as the loan to play in the gambling sites.This was the reason many gamblers get away from the gambling when they suffer loss and they won't try to play again gambling using the loan.Many people won't loan to the people who consume drugs,like wise they won't also help the gamblers to get away from the recent loss with many games in the gambling sites.The gambler should save certain dollars for specific period and back to the gambling instead of asking loan to your friends or family member.

Unfortunately, not everyone has a golden heart and is willing to help a recovering gambler. People is always leaning towards believing in all the stigmas which surround all gamblers, specially when comes to money management, potential drug usage and stuff like that.
It is hard to believe, but gambling addiction can easily break a friendship apart until not longer being interested in helping a recurring gambler.
Besides trying to get help from a friend, a recovering gambling should try to get professional help or get in contact with an organization dedicated to helping recovering gamblers to deal with the addiction.
Hopefully, anyone of us will ever be in a place where we need to take care of a friend in that way.

One question that I would love to ask in such a situation is: if he had actually won that bet that was staked with the money that was not his. If he had won, would he decide to share the money with the community or would he spend it wisely for himself? For me, I would not join anyone to contribute for them. The reason is because the person was so foolish and greedy to gamble with money that was not actually their own, and even if they wanted to gamble with that money, they should only use the amount they know they can freely replace without having to ask for crowd funding.

Crowdfund is used to help people who are experiencing a financial loophole because of positive cause, like education, health struggling and helping people who suffer from natural disasters. Gambling is a recreational activity that involves risk and the potential for financial loss.

Crowdfunding a gambler is just something foolish. Gambling is not a typical project that is worth to support because it would essentially be asking people to donate money to a venture that has a high probability of failing, no matter how good he is at gambling. Crowdfund is essentially asking people for help someone or group, while gambling is an activity that makes people succeed when there is/are people failed. This is just ironic.

Why will I participate in the crowdfunding? When gambling, we should always learn to control ourselves. Why will you spend the money that's meant to be used for other necessary things on gambling, and you expect me to make a contribution for the person? What was the person thinking when gambling? How sure are you that the person won't end up spending the money contributed on gambling again, i see no reason for me raise money for people like that, I do see it as a waste of money. Let him suffer for his actions so that next time the person is going to learn.

I won't say anything, everyone has a choice. Some people might be so nice to at least assist the gambler, but I see that as a waste of money. I will rather visit an orphanage house and donate the money than give it to someone who wasted all his money on gambling. If I have empathy, not for someone who gambled away money that was supposed to be used for something serious.

I would never do that. Crowdfunding for him means that you tolerate his wrong doing and he will never learn if you don't let him suffer the consequences of his action and decision. That does not mean I don't care about him but that's my way of helping him to change for the better or better leave gambling if he can't really control his expenses and if it's hard for him to discipline himself in gambling.

Gambling will only be productive and profitable if you are a responsible and disciplined gambler. If you gamble the other way around, you will not only lose your money but you lose your essence as well why you are gambling. Gambling is designed to entertain us, not to wreck and damage our well-being.