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Quote from: vv181 on November 23, 2023, 12:03:55 AM

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Quote from: vv181 on November 22, 2023, 09:51:07 AM

Stupid choices. The people themselves made a bad decision, so why should we collectively support and endorse such kind of behavior? The important project as you said is a basic need or necessity, and if someone loses money from gambling instead of preserving the funds for that purpose, then surely it is foolish behavior.

It is not a matter of empathy, but if someone donates to such kind of people, they would rather feel safe and still neglect their responsibility. They would simply think that if they all lost the money, they still get the community back up funds. Which is absurd. Nevertheless, it is a whole completely different problem, if the person itself is heavily addicted so their psychology is affected.

Yes, such “help” only breeds scammers and dependents. I have seen several videos on YouTube about people living in tents on the street in California and Los Angeles. They do nothing but use drugs and live like vegetables. They don’t have to try because local municipalities spend 60 thousand dollars a year on them (lol more than some workers earn by honest labor). They are not disabled, they could work, but since there is an opportunity, they chose a parasitic lifestyle.

Ah yeah, surely it also can potentially abused by the scammers, they may make a made-up story about why they got into financial ruin from gambling and such things. It is prone to those consequences. Hence it is a bad idea and decision in the first place.

Welfare funds surely have their own place, as I have mentioned, it is different cases if the matter is those who are psychologically affected. Addiction is a no joke, but it cannot simply be solved by merely supporting in a financial manner.

Precisely! You can't resolve a gambler's problem by funding or lending him a money especially if the gambler is suffering in any psychological behavior like Obsession and Addiction. If you really want to help a gambler, you can suggest them to consult in a professionals. If you continue to give money to a gambler, you just tolerate their wrongdoing especially if you notice that something is wrong with their actions.

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Quote from: KTChampions on November 22, 2023, 11:27:59 AM

Quote from: vv181 on November 22, 2023, 09:51:07 AM

Stupid choices. The people themselves made a bad decision, so why should we collectively support and endorse such kind of behavior? The important project as you said is a basic need or necessity, and if someone loses money from gambling instead of preserving the funds for that purpose, then surely it is foolish behavior.

It is not a matter of empathy, but if someone donates to such kind of people, they would rather feel safe and still neglect their responsibility. They would simply think that if they all lost the money, they still get the community back up funds. Which is absurd. Nevertheless, it is a whole completely different problem, if the person itself is heavily addicted so their psychology is affected.

Yes, such “help” only breeds scammers and dependents. I have seen several videos on YouTube about people living in tents on the street in California and Los Angeles. They do nothing but use drugs and live like vegetables. They don’t have to try because local municipalities spend 60 thousand dollars a year on them (lol more than some workers earn by honest labor). They are not disabled, they could work, but since there is an opportunity, they chose a parasitic lifestyle.

Ah yeah, surely it also can potentially abused by the scammers, they may make a made-up story about why they got into financial ruin from gambling and such things. It is prone to those consequences. Hence it is a bad idea and decision in the first place.

Welfare funds surely have their own place, as I have mentioned, it is different cases if the matter is those who are psychologically affected. Addiction is a no joke, but it cannot simply be solved by merely supporting in a financial manner.

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Quote from: n0ne on November 22, 2023, 06:59:11 PM

I might help, and it is all about the financial goodness of me. If I were with enough funds and the reason is true I'll surely help him. I once tried this at my very critical situation and things didn't work when I lost my money kept for my marriage. Further I arranged the money taking a loan. During those days I've thought of similar things, if I were good enough with money need to support incidents like this. Because they don't engage with purpose of losing, the mind will be with the positive hope of making little more money and stay financially good. The reality used to be opposite from what they expect.

I also agree that if you are able to do it, you will definitely be able or willing to help even if you have to spend money, but here gambling is an activity where you really don't know for sure when it will produce winning or profits, so think about donating it maybe only when win large amount.
We are currently living in an era that is developing rapidly, but currently the economy in every country can be said to be declining and in several countries including mine are experiencing difficulties in earning money, so will prioritize being able to meet our living needs.
That is why the most appropriate reason is to be willing to help or donate money when you are able or indeed in the situation where you have just won from gambling because of course we all also have needs or interests that cannot just be forgotten.

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I will not help such gamblers in raising funds for themselves through crowdfunding because for someone to use his school fees or marriage money for gambling, it means the person is addicted to gambling and the person should seek a way out of gambling. Secondly, he/she should suffer the consequences of using huge money meant for an important project to gamble, and the person might use the money gotten from crowdfunding to place another gamble.

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I might help, and it is all about the financial goodness of me. If I were with enough funds and the reason is true I'll surely help him. I once tried this at my very critical situation and things didn't work when I lost my money kept for my marriage. Further I arranged the money taking a loan. During those days I've thought of similar things, if I were good enough with money need to support incidents like this. Because they don't engage with purpose of losing, the mind will be with the positive hope of making little more money and stay financially good. The reality used to be opposite from what they expect.

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It's quite difficult for such a gambler to get the financial assistance they seek. In the online gambling community, people are told to gamble responsibly. Hence, when they refuse to adhere by the primary advise, others would hardly help the person, in need. The question is close to the incident of a boy who played his school fees and rushed back to the casino to forgive him and fund him back. Seriously, these players, as fellow gamblers, already are known to waste the money. I don't think anybody will crowdfund an irresponsible gambler. They're possibilities he isn't a gambler and manipulates the results to gain pity online. If it's a person I've known, and their behavior proves otherwise. He may get a different treatment. But, online on social media; the society are more likely to ignore the player. Unlike in the real life situation. Once he finishes from the environment and doesn't get any support. I don't think, the gambler would find love elsewhere, online. Reasons, behind this carelessness on the gambler. Is to teach him of the importance of managing his money properly. Doesn't it look inappropriate to wager our house rent, school fees etc on gambling.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 22, 2023, 06:34:11 PM

On my part, I think, I won't support this kind of cause. We all know that there is no assurance in gambling.
So if he gambles the money that is allotted for important things, the likelihood of getting out without any money at all is high.

Very well, the only time that I can help such a person is when maybe there is a health issue with the individual, and there is a need for money for medical support, but if it is to give out money to aid the gambler to continue gambling, I won't try to do that at anytime soon, because that will worsen his case instead helping him, but also since he already indebted why still putting him under pressure to continue on a recovery movement even though we know that there is nothing like that in gambling since the outcome is always uncertain and unpredictable.

So for best help for the individual, is to take a break from gambling and not to seek social media help to continue gambling which will just be a continuation of the gambling event that got him into that situation in the first place.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thinking of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining a keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

It's hard to say at this point if I will be willing to contribute to crowd-fund a person who gambles away money meant for an important project, because as far as I am concerned, if the project was important to the gamblers, he won't have taken such step to waste or risk the money on an uncertain thing like gambling, and beside the said individual may be likely be suffering from gambling addictions and at that, any amount that is giving to him in form of support may likely be gambling away like the way the first money was gamble away also.

On my part, I think, I won't support this kind of cause. We all know that there is no assurance in gambling.
So if he will gamble the money that is allotted for important things, the likelihood of getting out without any money at all is high.
Better secure the funds first and if there is extra, that is when you can use those funds to gamble without guilt.
Hard to support this type of cause because you will be embarrassed to those who will support and then afterwards they will see there's nothing left with the funds.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thinking of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining a keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

It's hard to say at this point if I will be willing to contribute to crowd-fund a person who gambles away money meant for an important project, because as far as I am concerned, if the project was important to the gamblers, he won't have taken such step to waste or risk the money on an uncertain thing like gambling, and beside the said individual may be likely be suffering from gambling addictions and at that, any amount that is giving to him in form of support may likely be gambling away like the way the first money was gamble away also.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

I don't think there is further discussion about it because you made mention of irresponsibly. Who help man that do things irresponsibly? Not even his close people will know something of such and want to render any financial help to him and what is even the assertiveness that he wouldn't go back to that gambling after helping him out, helping an irresponsible gambler is like fueling his car to go back where he is not supposed to be in his life.

An irresponsible person I believe the person to be a person that is not change, they are such I will view as a person that is an addict but if for instance it's an emergency fund to help raise a school fee and I know that they are going to drop out, I will gladly help because I'm also a human being and humanity should preceed everything we do in life but must not be all the time.

If we must also help him financially and he is willing, he should also be ready for many advice because they need to be changed, there is a reason why we are all friends right and it is our duty to help each other at difficult situations.

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Definitely not. It's like I'm being an accessory to their addiction. If I myself can't fund my own gambling activities that much, why would I fund and support someone who's been proven to be irresponsible and cannot control themselves? I can support them in some way but certainly not financially. If the person will not hold the funds directly and will only get what they need in order to recover from their addiction, perhaps I can help with that. Otherwise, I won't extend any financial help at all.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing.

It doesn't make sense to sponsor anybody's gambling activities because gaming is should be a personal adventure. There was a question one time about partnering with someone to finance a bet and I kindly stated that there is no need to put funds together to use it for gambling because we should gamble based on our financial capacity. If a young student gambles with his school fees out of inexperience, I can assist such a person in paying his fees because it was a mistake. But if he consistently engages in such activities, he would receive nothing from me. But if an adult out of his greed loses funds that are meant for another project on gambling, that's his business because such a person knows the consequences of his actions. Many people have lost in gambling including me and we had to suffer the consequences alone.

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And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

Everybody has the right to use his/her money in any how that suits them. If somebody is compassionate enough to donate to gamblers who lost money due to gaming, that's their business. But they should be careful because people can lie about anything to extort money from the public. But like I said you cannot control anybody's financial life.

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I am not sure if I would, to be honest. Obviously, I would be afraid of the money being misused and also gambled away in an irresponsible way. On the other hand, I would also like to help someone who would be struggling in some situation, not much, but something reasonable for a crowdfunding.
Perhaps, if there was credible evidence the money would be used to pay for important things like food, or education, then it would be encouraging for more people to step forward and help the gambler or former gambler.

In general, people can be very cautious when comes to donations in cash/crypto, Thurs it is easier for all of us in general to get donations in food, medicine, etc ...
One has to have a big heart in order to support a gambler with money..

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"would you keep buying an alcoholic more booze" Is what I read and understand from this question.

regardless of if whether he's the best gambler on the planet or the worst, which he probably is cause I haven't seen anyone who's making a killing at gambling let the fact ruin their life, I'm not going to be the cause of another man's problem. I say instead of submitting to his vices and funding his addiction, instead work on efforts that would rehabilitate him, now that's a better answer yeah? At the very least when you do this, you're making sure they get another chance at life instead of further digging their graves and giving them more problems than they know what to do with. Besides, it's just a bad investment no matter how you look at it, so just don't invest financially on people like these. Expend your time, and effort into something else.

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Quote from: maydna on November 22, 2023, 11:43:36 AM

Quote from: Saisher on November 22, 2023, 09:34:10 AM

You can be considered an irresponsible individual, if you help crowdfund an irresponsible gambler, it's his fault that he loses his money so he should be the one to look for a solution to replace the money that he loses and not beg for money, for all we know he will use the money that people gave him to gamble again.
We should ignore these kinds of people who are not responsible for what they do, the first rule in gambling is only playing with money that you can afford to lose, this means he doesn't know what's money for playing and what's money for important needs.

We should distribute the money to people who need it rather than to irresponsible gamblers because, after all, it is difficult for irresponsible gamblers to change their habits. He needs to realize his mistakes and start changing them for the better so that if there are people who want to help him, the help will not be in vain, and they can actually use the money for things that are more useful than just gambling. Those who have gambled irresponsibly should be able to realize that they have crossed their limits and should immediately return to their original goal, especially if they have lost a lot of money. They must remember that when gambling, they must be able to gamble with the money they can afford, always limit their money and time, and be able to be responsible with themselves while gambling.

Yes, it would really be that worth rather than on giving into those addicted gamblers.I would rather be donating something on a charity on which it is really that something being useful into those people who are in need
and not into some addicted fellas who are really that tending to support their addiction even further?No one into their right minds that will really be making out such step on trying out to support
into those people but rather they would be something spending which into those who are really worth on getting such help. You are the ones who would held responsible into your actions
on which it would really be just that normal that you would be the ones who would really be suffering the consequences.

Helping out to those addicted person via giving out more funding? You are really just worsening up the situation on which we know that this isnt really he solution
on quitting gambling for good but rather it would really be adding up the overall addiction that you could potentially have. So better be wary and be careful on the things that you've been
dealing off with.

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Quote from: Cookdata on November 22, 2023, 01:13:09 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

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I will support a community if I hit a jackpot, I mean there is this great feeling you will have if you win one of the biggest jackpot and then help a community like a rural area to dig a boreholes so they can have access to water easily instead of going far to go and get water. You will not only get personal joy but your name will remain golden in that community.

I prefer to call it charity, but you certainly don't need to wait for the jackpot if you want to do charity. I don't know if world charities also help mental rehabilitation foundations for problem gamblers, but if there are then I think it's much better than giving them cash compensation.

Quote from: Cookdata on November 22, 2023, 01:13:09 PM

But why would I crowd fund a fellow gambler when he knows the risk involved and still went ahead. If we all follow due protocol of gambling, most this things are not to be discussed because you were not supposed to gamble with the money you need in the first place. If any gambler do that, will there be need to crowd fund a person that did an open mistake? No, I will not add a single penny.

In gambling website, it's bodly written that a gambler must be 18+ and by that if an age person have the power to gamble, they will equally have the power to take responsibility and when you take some bad actions, it has consequences which must be face without inconveniencing any person.

In a previous post, I stated that Crowdfunding for problem gamblers is not an attractive idea.
I don't agree with the idea for the same reasons, but I support if there is a rehabilitation foundation that can help these problem gamblers get out of their heavy addiction. Of course every gambler must be a responsible gambler, but it is never easy because most gamblers will eventually have an impact on their finances if the level of addiction has become too severe.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on November 21, 2023, 12:05:20 PM

A few days ago, I posed a question in this forum, wondering if, as someone who engages in gambling, you've ever considered thought of giving back to the community if you ever had a successful gambling run. I carefully went through all the responses, maintaining keen interest and taking note of each perspective. Another aspect of the inquiry involves whether you would be willing to participate in crowdfunding for a fellow gambler who reaches out to the public through social media seeking financial support after they gambled with the funds meant for an important project like, investment, school fees, rent, marriage or any other thing. And what would you say to those who go ahead to donate to these gamblers out of a sense of empathy?

I will support a community if I hit a jackpot, I mean there is this great feeling you will have if you win one of the biggest jackpot and then help a community like a rural area to dig a boreholes so they can have access to water easily instead of going far to go and get water. You will not only get personal joy but your name will remain golden in that community.

But why would I crowd fund a fellow gambler when he knows the risk involved and still went ahead. If we all follow due protocol of gambling, most this things are not to be discussed because you were not supposed to gamble with the money you need in the first place. If any gambler do that, will there be need to crowd fund a person that did an open mistake? No, I will not add a single penny.

In gambling website, it's bodly written that a gambler must be 18+ and by that if an age person have the power to gamble, they will equally have the power to take responsibility and when you take some bad actions, it has consequences which must be face without inconveniencing any person.

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Yeah, I don’t have something better to do with money than to give it away to a gambler who purposefully gambled away money meant for something else. It’s crazy how people think sometimes.
How then would he have us believe the money being crowd sourced would be used for what he claims to want to use the money for and not gambling the money away.. If the person isn’t disciplined enough and uses the money allocated for something else in gambling, then there is little doubt the person could use the money crowd funded to gamble again. Now why would I donate to such a cause?

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Quote from: Saisher on November 22, 2023, 09:34:10 AM

You can be considered an irresponsible individual, if you help crowdfund an irresponsible gambler, it's his fault that he loses his money so he should be the one to look for a solution to replace the money that he loses and not beg for money, for all we know he will use the money that people gave him to gamble again.
We should ignore these kinds of people who are not responsible for what they do, the first rule in gambling is only playing with money that you can afford to lose, this means he doesn't know what's money for playing and what's money for important needs.

We should distribute the money to people who need it rather than to irresponsible gamblers because, after all, it is difficult for irresponsible gamblers to change their habits. He needs to realize his mistakes and start changing them for the better so that if there are people who want to help him, the help will not be in vain, and they can actually use the money for things that are more useful than just gambling. Those who have gambled irresponsibly should be able to realize that they have crossed their limits and should immediately return to their original goal, especially if they have lost a lot of money. They must remember that when gambling, they must be able to gamble with the money they can afford, always limit their money and time, and be able to be responsible with themselves while gambling.

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Quote from: vv181 on November 22, 2023, 09:51:07 AM

Stupid choices. The people themselves made a bad decision, so why should we collectively support and endorse such kind of behavior? The important project as you said is a basic need or necessity, and if someone loses money from gambling instead of preserving the funds for that purpose, then surely it is foolish behavior.

It is not a matter of empathy, but if someone donates to such kind of people, they would rather feel safe and still neglect their responsibility. They would simply think that if they all lost the money, they still get the community back up funds. Which is absurd. Nevertheless, it is a whole completely different problem, if the person itself is heavily addicted so their psychology is affected.

Yes, such “help” only breeds scammers and dependents. I have seen several videos on YouTube about people living in tents on the street in California and Los Angeles. They do nothing but use drugs and live like vegetables. They don’t have to try because local municipalities spend 60 thousand dollars a year on them (lol more than some workers earn by honest labor). They are not disabled, they could work, but since there is an opportunity, they chose a parasitic lifestyle.

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