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Topic: WTF Avalon? Ship the Chips! - page 10. (Read 45765 times)

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August 07, 2013, 05:07:44 PM
realistically I think in 5 weeks all these chips could be fabricated and shipped out even with a small skeleton crew, something else is in play, wonder whats going on exactly, hope we get some answers this week or this month...

It's sounds like the crew has mutinied...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny

Maybe thats where BTCGarden came from.  They seem to know friedcat and avalon people.
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August 07, 2013, 04:49:54 PM
Quoting from the Avalon user thread:

I was wondering too.

Did you get a reply from Yifu ?

I emailed the info@ address and got a reply from NG Zhang about an hour later. I have yet to receive a follow up reply.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I've contacted a few clone builders and am going to take everything apart right now to get an idea of what parts I need and how much they will cost.


So NG Zhang is answering emails. Yifu seems MIA (no activity posts on reddit for a month as well).
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August 07, 2013, 04:49:31 PM
Not to nitpick, but it would likely benefit all to maintain this distinction:

"Avalon" = product name

"BitSyncom" = company name
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August 07, 2013, 04:39:00 PM
realistically I think in 5 weeks all these chips could be fabricated and shipped out even with a small skeleton crew, something else is in play, wonder whats going on exactly, hope we get some answers this week or this month...

It's sounds like the crew has mutinied...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny
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August 07, 2013, 04:37:17 PM
realistically I think in 5 weeks all these chips could be fabricated and shipped out even with a small skeleton crew, something else is in play, wonder whats going on exactly, hope we get some answers this week or this month...
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August 07, 2013, 04:18:07 PM
group buyers should file a case in the USA because of fraud.

I believe this would also be relevant if he refuses to acknowledge you;

http://www.interpol.int/Contact-INTERPOL
http://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Cybercrime/Cybercrime
http://www.interpol.int/Crime-areas/Financial-crime/Financial-crime

I'm sure they would love to get their feet wet with alternative currency cybercrime. It would set a precedent.

Still I think you need to wait a little longer yet, this is still flakey, but Avalon B#3's are arriving, so there is life at Bitsyncom, even if it's life that refuses to acknowledge it' customers after breaching agreement...

It depends. They may view it as people just fucking around with the equivalent of "video game money" - no one gets prosecuted when thefts happen in EVE online, because it's a game.  And not only that, a lot of people view it as a way to get around government regulation.  People in the government might take that as an affront and think "Well, you're on your own then".

Also, in order to prosecute as a theft, you'd need to prove that Bitsyncom actually stole something, and didn't just fall behind schedule. That's not a crime, in fact it's actually really common.  It's just that most of the time, delays like this don't completely destroy the value of the product.

There's also the problem that everything happened in China, which would make prosecution quite difficult.

In the future, the best thing to do for a large chip order would be to license a design.   Rather then dealing with Avalon/BFL/whoever the thing to do would be to pay whatever company BTCX and they'd write a letter to their upstream provider authorizing group Y to oder up to X chips direct from the fab.  They'd pay the the design company and the upstream provider separately, and that would remove one point of failure from the whole process - in fact, the most likely source of failure as they'd be a very new startup liable to have all sorts of problems (as we can clearly see from BFL and Avalon)
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August 07, 2013, 04:03:56 PM
Good luck with this, man.  You're here at the exact point I was when I threw in the towel with Avalon, and, except for the innocent Open Source victims, when I threw in the towel with anyone involved with Avalon.

Why?  Because the pictures of those chips was the biggest of news.  I tried to get some bi-lingual Chinese to tell us what really was being said there (i.e., imposing any cultural inferences over the issue as well) to no avail.  Go back and read the thread.

At that point, I just thought, "Something's going on; there's a million chips here, they don't seem to be clearly titled to Avalon, and nobody is willing or able to say what's up in Shenzen. My gut feeling is Avalon is fucked, I'm not vested in Avalon, so: to Hell with them all."

Maybe you'll get somewhere.  I hope so, for the sake of the Open Source builders.
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August 07, 2013, 03:56:02 PM
I didn't create the wanted poster, there's this one without the dead or alive rhetoric;

http://www.gunranchusa.com/wanted-poster.jpg

But it's tacky in comparison. I'm in no way whatsoever suggesting harm the guy, jeez!

Oh Yeah I know that, it's in Jest.  But you may be familiar with the slimeball lawyers in the USA that would have a field day. Tongue
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August 07, 2013, 03:46:57 PM
How about putting up Yifu Wanted posters, like in the days of the wild west all over NY city (or wherever he hangs out).

Smoke him out from where he is hiding  Grin

As much as we would like to have what we paid for shipped,  a wanted dead or alive proclamation may be considered a "death threat"  in the USA and could land you in prison.  ;-)


I didn't create the wanted poster, there's this one without the dead or alive rhetoric;

http://www.gunranchusa.com/wanted-poster.jpg

But it's tacky in comparison. I'm in no way whatsoever suggesting harm the guy, jeez!
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August 07, 2013, 03:46:01 PM
Yeah, I think we want him alive.  But how about it?  Put the posters up in every city.  Might get some media attention.
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August 07, 2013, 03:44:32 PM
How about putting up Yifu Wanted posters, like in the days of the wild west all over NY city (or wherever he hangs out).

Smoke him out from where he is hiding  Grin

As much as we would like to have what we paid for shipped,  a wanted dead or alive proclamation may be considered a "death threat"  in the USA and could land you in prison.  ;-)
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August 07, 2013, 03:43:44 PM
How about putting up Yifu Wanted posters, like in the days of the wild west all over NY city (or wherever he hangs out).

Smoke him out from where he is hiding  Grin

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bgVaA_ZIbPc/TcRK1Wz2qcI/AAAAAAAAAek/rQCeAAAi3uI/s1600/one-piece-wanted-poster-by-ei819-159006.png
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August 07, 2013, 03:36:53 PM
How about putting up Yifu Wanted posters, like in the days of the wild west all over NY city (or wherever he hangs out).

Smoke him out from where he is hiding  Grin
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August 07, 2013, 03:29:56 PM
Boom! from this thread two days ago; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2868479

Hello everyone...er... Hello every shareholder,

About that "big news" regards to Avalon:  

 From a thread at btcman.com that was posted by a ID called "gridchip" last month, we (incl. all btcman`s members) can sure that Avalon team do have a big discord inside. It was written in chinese and need to register&login to read ,so I d prefer not giving the link here (all chinese shareholders can find it at "比特币挖矿区" board) However, I hardly believe the rest of this news is real.


I believe this is the link;

http://www.btcman.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4621&extra=page%3D1&page=4

Do we have any Chinese readers?

What does it say?
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August 07, 2013, 03:29:43 PM
I registered in that forum now too. I sent emails to [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected] now. They reach, i demanded server answer when they are delivered. Lets see if one of them answers and know more.
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August 07, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
Xiangfu was commenting in this forum as recent as two days ago.

I would also contact the guy who posted this;

http://imgur.com/a/GR0e3

Apparently it originated from here;

http://www.btcman.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4621&extra=page%3D1&page=4

But I don't read Chinese.

EDIT: Found this though: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2682662

Who is Yuchuanzhen? What is his connection to Bitsyncom? Huh

Here is the info via Google translate for the "owner" of http://fidelhl.cn.1688.com/

Name: Chan Chuen

Business Email: [email protected]

Maybe he knows about the Avalon chips seeing as he posted the pics?
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August 07, 2013, 03:19:48 PM
Xiangfu was commenting in this forum as recent as two days ago.

I would also contact the guy who posted this;

http://imgur.com/a/GR0e3

Apparently it originated from here;

http://www.btcman.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4621&extra=page%3D1&page=4

But I don't read Chinese.

EDIT: Found this though: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2682662

The guy who posted pics on btcman.com has this email in his signature

"Business cooperation, please contact [email protected]"
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August 07, 2013, 03:14:02 PM
Xiangfu was commenting in this forum as recent as two days ago.

I would also contact the guy who posted this;

http://imgur.com/a/GR0e3

Apparently it originated from here;

http://www.btcman.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4621&extra=page%3D1&page=4

But I don't read Chinese.

EDIT: Found this though: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2682662

Who is Yuchuanzhen? What is his connection to Bitsyncom? Huh
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